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Old Posted Feb 1, 2010, 6:55 PM
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edit: pictures from 10 March 2010 public meeting are available on page 3


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Should be getting some info on this soon... Ashcroft is the developer, Roderick Lahey is the architect, FoTenn is the planner...

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Community meeting re: Development of Sisters of Visitation site
January 27, 2010

Ashcroft Homes has invited residents to a meeting to discuss the redevelopment of the Sisters of the Visitation site (the convent and surrounding area) at 114 Richmond Rd. as well as the former Billy’s Appliance site at 90 Richmond Rd.

Here’s your opportunity to give your input into the planning and design of this important site. If you are interested in what happens in your neighbourhood you will want to attend this session.

Monday, February 1st, 2010

7.00 p.m. – 9.00 p.m.
@ St. Georges Church
415 Piccadilly Avenue (downstairs meeting room)

Click here (link opens PDF) for more information.

Do note, this meeting is not being hosted by the WCA, although all Westboro residents are invited to attend.

Please forward this information to any interested parties. Thank you!


The Bulldog: Residents Concerned About Rush to Develop Convent Site

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I wounder what they plan on doing with it.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2010, 4:27 AM
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Developer reveals plans for convent land
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/busines...477/story.html
Envisions ByWard Market-like blend of commercial, residential on heritage site

BY THE OTTAWA CITIZENFEBRUARY 1, 2010 11:03 PM

OTTAWA-Local developer Ashcroft Homes wants to create a “new community” that incorporates the best of the old in redeveloping property on Richmond Road once owned by Les Soeurs de la Visitation D’Ottawa, area residents heard Monday.

While development plans are only at the preliminary stage, Ashcroft will be “sensitive” to the concerns of Westboro residents, architect Rod Lahey said. The developer, he said, is committed to retaining the 100-year-old convent, including its high-ceilinged chapel, and integrating it into a development that will include both residential and commercial usage, as well as a “network” of plazas, courtyards, green space and pathways similar to those in the ByWard Market.

Les Soeurs de la Visitation D’Ottawa listed the property in August 2009. The cloistered nuns have occupied the site since in 1913. The five-acre property near Island Park Drive fronts Richmond Road and backs onto Byron Avenue.

Lahey told the 120 residents at the meeting that Ashcroft will respect any heritage designation the city imposes on the site. The company believes it can “integrate” the original convent, built in 1864, as well as two wings that were added into its plans for a series of four- and possibly nine- to 10-storey buildings that will offer ground-floor retail space and residential, whether condominiums or retirement apartments for seniors on higher levels.

The project will be designed with a three-floor portico along Richmond Road so passersby can see the convent from the street, Lahey said. The convent itself might be used as commercial space, including, possibly, restaurants, spas and a community centre. All parking would be underground, although there’ll likely be parking access from Byron and Richmond.

Lahey assured the audience that the chapel’s floor, walls and vaulted ceiling will be retained, although the frescoes, carved doors, statuary and other religious objects have been or will be returned to France, where the nuns’ order is based. Some residents said it would be nice to have the chapel used as an arts court decorated with pictures of the artifacts.

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Sounds very promising
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And cue the Westboro NIMBY's in 3...2...1...
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Is it too late to suggest a national portrait gallery in this building? Wishful thinking, probably. Westboro could use a little federal cultural presence, though. I'm looking forward to the renderings...
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yep. Can't wait to see Ottawa's famous 10 story box building renderings, err i mean 5 story renderings after the residents win with their shadow effect concerns.
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Hey, somebody got 30 stories approved in this neighborhood...
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Same architect as Canlands A, no?
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Hey, somebody got 30 stories approved in this neighborhood...
You must be kidding.
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^ this ring a bell?



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And cue the Westboro NIMBY's in 3...2...1...
Step 1: Before there are details, complain about the process.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawa...vent-site.aspx

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Westboro Community Association activist Gary Ludington is concerned about the rush to redevelop Les Soeurs de la Visitation convent on Richmond Road. He sent this note to me recently:

Ken

The concerns that are coming forth from the community are the need to have a greater community involvement and the tight frames that are being presented to the community to get the development underway. Yes Ashcroft Homes has had 2 meetings but they were with the immediate neighbours. While they are the ones who will be initially impacted, this is a significant property and the impact will be felt by the entire community. The initial community wide meeting is Feb 1 followed by a March 4th meeting, when the plans for the development will be unveiled. Ashcroft Homes then plans to apply for the necessary zoning within two weeks of the March 4th meeting. The community would be naive to think that with the effort and cost involved to be prepared to submit an application to the City for the zoning of this property that the developer will make changes other than perhaps colours. Significant properties such as this one are few and far between and care should be taken to have a buy in from all parties even if that means a more involved process with the community which may mean Ashcroft doesn't file their applications for zoning changes until later in the year.

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Step 1: Before there are details, complain about the process.

http://communities.canada.com/ottawa...vent-site.aspx
The head of the Westboro Community Association complains about a lot of things.....
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Hey, somebody got 30 stories approved in this neighborhood...
There is no 30+ building in that area of Richmond Rd. The Metropole was built further north where they were already had existing 26 story buildings.

We will never see anything close to 30 floors in that section of richmond.
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yep. Can't wait to see Ottawa's famous 10 story box building renderings, err i mean 5 story renderings after the residents win with their shadow effect concerns.
In this case, and if I understand the proposal at this stage (it sounds like the taller buildings would be fairly close to Richmond, sitting atop the 3-storey portico? - the expense of the portico would not seem to be worth it if all they're going to do is slap one storey on top of it), those who would be most affected by the height of this will be the future lower floor residents of the condo going in across the road at the former Canadian Tire gasbar, also being built by Ashcroft.

No wonder Ashcroft is in such a rush to get the plans for the convent site out the door and approved... they don't want to face the NIMBYs they're about to house in their own building across the street! And the view of the gardens of the convent of everyone on the south side of that condo will be destroyed shortly after they all move in. My guess is that Ludington and co. have figured something is up due to the speed but they haven't actually figured out what Ashcroft is up to because they haven't thought about yet-to-be NIMBYs living in the under-construction condo who at present don't have anyone representing them.

And in case you think I'm being facetious, I'm not. I was at one of the Westboro Station meetings and there were a few particularly vocal people from the newly-built Exchange there opposing Westboro Station. Ashcroft would have good reason to worry about the fuss that their newly-installed condo owners would kick up about one of their own developments across the street.


Anyway, it sure will be nice to see the end of that sound wall on Richmond. I seem to recall from long ago that it used to be actual masonry, complete with vines growing over it, but it sure isn't now.
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I really don't think that Ashcroft will have their own problem from NIMBY's from there project across the street. They will have a problem with the residents along the eastern edge of the property.

When Minto was building the metropole, they were also building houses/townhomes right beside with minimal opposition. It's the long time neighbourhood residents that cause the whining and complaining. And yes, i know there were few existing residents NEAR the metropole site that did oppose the project, but Minto built a whole subdivision, not a few condos right beside 60 year old homes.
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How is the Metropole comparable to this? The Metropole was built first, the townhouses later. Anyone buying a townhouse knew the Metropole was already there, and anyone in the Metropole wouldn't be affected by the townhouses.

But in this case we've got new condos on the north side of the street going in before a condo on the south side of the street. The would-be residents of the northside development will be affected by a later development in a way that did not occur with the Metropole. I can assure you that if Ashcroft waits until the condos on the north side of the street are finished and inhabited the absolute biggest whiners will be those condo residents because they will feel that they've been cheated of the view and the sunlight they had expected and paid for - and by the very company they bought from. Ashcroft has to get this out the door before that can happen because once the approvals are in placing no amount of whining will matter. Ashcroft will try to placate the residents on the east side of the convent site by giving them more setbacks, lower heights and, as we already see, by meeting with them early and ahead of anyone else, including the WCA.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that the very people who are attracted to these condos in Westboro are paramount whiners. It's the drawbridge mentality that one finds in many exurban locations - The development I bought into is Ok, but I don't want any more development to ruin the place.

It was surprising during the Loblaws bruhaha how many of the objectors were recent arrivals, whereas longer-time residents were far less opposed.
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It's ok, relax. No need to get worked up. You seem to have it all figured out. Hats off to you! My bad.
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Metropole is 800 m from the Sisters, so it is certainly in the neighborhood. And nobody here can predict the future, but I would say Ashcroft has a pretty good chance at pulling off 10 stories if they approach all interested parties properly. There is certainly enough land in that backyard to set it back from the street.

It's tough to dislike this project when what Ashcroft is doing is getting rid of a one-storey building filled with used fridges, and rehabilitating a heritage building that until recently was walled off from the public by religious fundamentalists.

It will be interesting to see how their proposal meets the Byron side of the property.
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I agree with Dado about the 101 Richmond buyers becoming NIMBYs about this. When out of curiosity I visited their sales centre last year, before the convent was put up on the market, they had shots of what the view looking south would be from some of the higher stories. Even more relevant is the fact that the salesperson made a point of menioning to me that as it was a "developed neighbourhood" both to the north and the south, it was unlikely that the views would ever change.
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I agree with Dado about the 101 Richmond buyers becoming NIMBYs about this. When out of curiosity I visited their sales centre last year, before the convent was put up on the market, they had shots of what the view looking south would be from some of the higher stories. Even more relevant is the fact that the salesperson made a point of menioning to me that as it was a "developed neighbourhood" both to the north and the south, it was unlikely that the views would ever change.
http://www.101richmond.ca/news/pdf/A..._Homes_Feb.pdf

"The one-, two-, two-bedroom-plus units and penthouse suites are designed with premium cabinetry and elegantly detailed designer fixtures, granite countertops, modern stainless steel appliances, gleaming hardwood flooring, nine- to 11-ft. ceilings and glassed-in balconies that will offer unobstructed views [of people's living rooms in our 10 storey condo across the street]"
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