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Old Posted Mar 27, 2013, 8:16 PM
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dow honda preliminary proposal - 2x 48 fl...

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I see what looks like a giant blank wall on the left tower. That better not be a blank wall!
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I see what looks like a giant blank wall on the left tower. That better not be a blank wall!
Looked more like balconies closer up.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2013, 10:19 PM
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They should increase from 48 to >50 to get over that hump!

Seriously, that area might be the new CBD...
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2013, 10:23 PM
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Looked more like balconies closer up.
Glad to hear it.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2013, 11:31 PM
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The aesthetics don't do much for me, though. Looks like some kid ran out of one colour of Lego and then started using the rest that was left over. For such tall towers the form and visual impact is really mediocre and incomplete. I hope it evolves to something better.
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I am not opposed to tall buildings in this area but several things spring to mind.

1. Some of these buildings are on very small footings. I look at the footprint for the Claridge Icon and wonder how it will ever support 40+ stories. I believe this area used to be swamp, so I wonder how easy it will be to keep these buildings straight.
The O-Train cut is in bedrock, so bedrock is not that deep.

A bigger problem is the amount of parking that is required, leading to deep foundations for all the extra underground parking levels. This thing is going to act like a giant pit that will constantly have to be pumped out.

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2. The infrastructure is not there. Roads are definitely not there so all these people better take transit. But this leads to other problems. Try catching a bus from Carling and Preston to go East. The 101 and 102 make all sorts of irritating twists and turns before they get on the transitway. The Carling intersection with Bronson is already a nightmare at rush hours.

3. Expansion of the O-train is still years away, and accomodating this kind of population probably requires a direct connection to downtown (no transfer at Bayview).
I would suggest that the passenger loads of students transferring at Bayview right now far exceed anything that these buildings could produce. Moreover, this will be going in the "non-peak" direction as far as the O-Train is concerned (the O-Train's peak and non-peak directions are related to Carleton University, so its peak directions of travel are towards it in the morning and away from it in the afternoon).

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4. Blasting required to (eventually) twin the O-train track will wreak havoc on the foundations of these tall condominiums (which are already supported by very small footings).
Can probably be done with rock hammers... and since the foundations of the buildings will be so deep anyway, it likely won't matter one bit.

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5. A tall building at the Dow Honda site and/or the Civic Parking lot (champagne and Carling) will likely make it very difficult to make a future connection between the Bayview/Carling O-train and a Westbound Carling LRT (which would likely need to be a no-transfer connection).
Amazingly, the City might actually be doing something about that - though at the last minute, of course, despite being warned about it by numerous activist types whom the City never listens to when they raise an issue only to do what they recommended years later at greater cost, inconvenience, grief, etc. The City did try to secure a corner triangle, though whether that has been successful I can't recall.
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I would suggest that the passenger loads of students transferring at Bayview right now far exceed anything that these buildings could produce.
I'd of thought the main traffic in that direction was Carleton students going to Carling. I know of a fair number of people who do that, but I do suppose my circle of friends is too small a sample size to work with. Still I do wonder how many of these condos are going to be rented out to students.
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Not enough setback from the podium or good street interaction for my urban tastes... The design itself is meh IMO, but I don't really mind what's up there as long as the base is soundly designed.
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Lots of interesting conjecture as to what may happen. I tend to deal with facts.

Having said that, I work in the area and exit the Carling Stn to walk to work every day. The site had a soil sample drill rig at the rear north end of the property. Drill holes are being done in the parking areas. I saw one capped drill hole today next to the rig and assume they will be continueing to do more over the next few days or week.
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Quite a fascinating proposal. Public transit aside, I think realigning the driveway up close to Carling, then back again where the lake rounds out towards the south-east would make a PERFECT opportunity to create a boardwalk/cafes/bistro type of environment along the lake. Someplace for all those new residents to take in a coffee along Dows Lake. Perhaps a pedestrian overpass from the north side of Carling/Preston and newly aligned Driveway to provide access to the lakeside?
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Quite a fascinating proposal. Public transit aside, I think realigning the driveway up close to Carling, then back again where the lake rounds out towards the south-east would make a PERFECT opportunity to create a boardwalk/cafes/bistro type of environment along the lake. Someplace for all those new residents to take in a coffee along Dows Lake. Perhaps a pedestrian overpass from the north side of Carling/Preston and newly aligned Driveway to provide access to the lakeside?
How about the tulips? Will anyone think of the tulips?!?
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2013, 11:26 AM
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I was joking when I posted this!
Haha, that's awesome - someone from Richcraft must have seen your post
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I am not opposed to tall buildings in this area but several things spring to mind.

1. Some of these buildings are on very small footings. I look at the footprint for the Claridge Icon and wonder how it will ever support 40+ stories. I believe this area used to be swamp, so I wonder how easy it will be to keep these buildings straight.

2. The infrastructure is not there. Roads are definitely not there so all these people better take transit. But this leads to other problems. Try catching a bus from Carling and Preston to go East. The 101 and 102 make all sorts of irritating twists and turns before they get on the transitway. The Carling intersection with Bronson is already a nightmare at rush hours.

3. Expansion of the O-train is still years away, and accomodating this kind of population probably requires a direct connection to downtown (no transfer at Bayview).

4. Blasting required to (eventually) twin the O-train track will wreak havoc on the foundations of these tall condominiums (which are already supported by very small footings).

5. A tall building at the Dow Honda site and/or the Civic Parking lot (champagne and Carling) will likely make it very difficult to make a future connection between the Bayview/Carling O-train and a Westbound Carling LRT (which would likely need to be a no-transfer connection).
Not to mention there's still no (solid) plan for a grocery store in this area.

Completely agree the O-train needs to be upgraded sooner rather than later. Carleton students are packed in there like sardines in the morning.
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How about the tulips? Will anyone think of the tulips?!?
Whether the Col By runs alongside Carling or alongside the lake, there will still be the same amount of Tulip space. Far more picturesque closer to the water I would think....
oops, just realized, I'm confusing Col By with QE Driveway. I meant move the QED up to along Carling then back down. That will also allow the removal of that short road at the end of Preston...even MORE room for Tulips!
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Whether the Col By runs alongside Carling or alongside the lake, there will still be the same amount of Tulip space. Far more picturesque closer to the water I would think....
oops, just realized, I'm confusing Col By with QE Driveway. I meant move the QED up to along Carling then back down. That will also allow the removal of that short road at the end of Preston...even MORE room for Tulips!
That little strech at the end of Preston is actually a pretty important connector between Preston/Carling and Prince of Wales. You can take it out, but then how do you get to Prince of Wales?
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That little strech at the end of Preston is actually a pretty important connector between Preston/Carling and Prince of Wales. You can take it out, but then how do you get to Prince of Wales?
It's simple. Make the intersection AT Carling. POW would end at that intersection and QED begins. It would mean a rather sharp turn on POW just after crossing the train tracks to head up towards Carling/Preston, but it would not be any worse then the significant turn further south on POW closer to Baseline.

A smaller, service-vehicle only road would extend from current POW to Dows Lake Pavilion.

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I'd of thought the main traffic in that direction was Carleton students going to Carling. I know of a fair number of people who do that, but I do suppose my circle of friends is too small a sample size to work with.
Right... I'm not sure what your point is though.

My comment was in response to another comment that development around Carling Station would result in more passengers heading north in the morning to Bayview (i.e. to downtown and other workplaces) and south in the evening, and that this was somehow a major concern. But since the main direction of travel on the O-Train in the morning is from Bayview (and Carling) to Carleton (and Greenboro to Carleton), any additional Bayview-oriented passenger loads from development around Carling is not going to strain the O-Train - just make better use of it. Simply put, the northbound trains that arrive at Carling in the morning are not all that full, having discharged much of their passengers at Carleton. Anyone we can get to use those trains at Carling (or indeed Gladstone, if built) is a net benefit to the system.

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Still I do wonder how many of these condos are going to be rented out to students.
That actually could add strain to the O-Train, though it depends on where else they'd be and get to class otherwise too.
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It's simple. Make the intersection AT Carling. POW would end at that intersection and QED begins. It would mean a rather sharp turn on POW just after crossing the train tracks to head up towards Carling/Preston, but it would not be any worse then the significant turn further south on POW closer to Baseline.
So this would be what? A five-pointed intersection (clockwise looking north: Preston, Carling EB, QED, PoW, Carling WB)?

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A smaller, service-vehicle only road would extend from current POW to Dows Lake Pavilion.
The sacrilegious amongst us might suggest just continuing QED around Dows Lake through/past HMCS Carleton, over the O-Train tunnel through the arboretum and finally up to that parking lot/roundabout at Prince of Wales. Just keep QED and PoW separate, at least to cars.
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updated Carling/Preston proposed/approved/construction projects (I'll colour code them next time)



edit: added Norman St and Rochestor.. thanks Brent!
I don't know if the Arnon site on the other side of the tracks was actually approved for 26 storeys, but if I were them I'd propose something a lot higher now.
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based on the tweets from the meeting it sounded like Arnon was trying to buy additional land in the area so perhaps we'll see another proposal soon. here's the thread for anyone looking for background http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show....php?p=5925660
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