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Movin' on up
By Don Jergler, Staff writer



LONG BEACH — A safety foreman called "Crash" walks among some 200 workers scrambling around on nine floors of a skeletal structure that will eventually rise to become the city's second tallest building.
Crash stretches his neck to look into a cavernous pit that will be the spot of a stairwell, walks over to a contractor laying out chalk lines for a wall, then boards a wire-cage elevator and heads down.

"We're trying to pour one floor of concrete every five days," says David "Crash" Killough, with the project's general contractor Ledcor Construction.

That aggressive schedule has workers bustling on West Ocean, a $196 million residential project that will yield 246 luxury condominium units in two towers.

Originally under development as part of the adjacent 9.5-acre Camden Harbor View project, the development is rising on the site of a former parking lot at Ocean Boulevard and Chestnut Street near the Pike at Rainbow Harbor. Camden sold the site for an undisclosed sum to Intracorp Los Angeles LLC in 2003. In 1999, Camden Property Trust paid $20 million for the property, according to city records.

The project won't be complete at least another year, but nearly three-fourths of the units have sold.

"Tower 1 sold out around February of last year and we had nothing there, not even a hole in the ground," says Joanne Rowland, Intracorp's vice president of sales and marketing.

Tower 1 will become the city's second tallest building at 345 feet just shy of the 397-foot World Trade Center across Ocean, but higher than the 310-foot Landmark Square on Ocean near Pine Avenue.

The 29-story tower will feature 132 one-and two-bedroom units, which sold from the mid-$400,000s to $1 million, as well as two 3,300-plus-square-foot penthouses that sold for around $3 million, Rowland says.

There are 114 one-and two-bedroom residences planned for Tower 2, the south tower, which will rank as the city's 11th tallest building at 253 feet. That structure, still at the ground-level phase of construction, faces the Pike parking garage. More than 50 units have sold in the 21-story Tower 2, with prices ranging from the low $500,000s to $1.5 million, Rowland says.

Sizes in the project range from 1,000 square feet up to 3,300-plus square feet. Completion for Tower 1 is slated for March 2007. Tower 2 is expected to be finished in June 2007.

"I'm hoping to be completely sold out by this June," says Rowland, who credits the quick sales pace to the attractiveness of towers, the site and the development of downtown Long Beach. "The revitalization that's going on in the downtown area is just so appealing, and every year it's getting better."

West Ocean amenities include a pool, spa, barbecue areas, a club room, a fitness center and meeting and conference areas, according to plans.

However, the building's exterior promises to be one of its best features, says John Perkins Sr., director of Vancouver-based Perkins & Co., the project's architect.

Perkins' lead architect on the project, Louise Webb, designed the thin, tall towers so they diverge from traditional square-shaped buildings. The towers feature some rounded edges, particularly on the ocean-facing side, to enhance the views, Perkins says.

The floors in the building are smaller than normal, restricting the number of units per floor. That optimizes the views from inside the towers, while providing a low profile respectful to the views of the project's neighbors, he says.

Perkins has designed dozens of towers up and down California's coast. With less space available for development and a growing number of battles over coastal views, Perkins says to expect more of what are being called "point towers."

"They don't block the views as much as the old buildings," he says.

Called "contemporary classic," the look moves away from the older square-shaped style, and uses more metal and glass, with curved sides facing the water "to signal that's a special side of the building," Perkins says.

The two towers will be connected at the first few floors to allow people to walk between either tower and a four-floor underground garage. The lower portions of the towers are colored to tie into a concept seen in other projects along Ocean, Perkins says.

"These are going to be rather timeless," he says. "I think they're going to look good for a long time."

Suzanne Frick, director of Long Beach planning and building, says the structure fits in with the quality of design being sought for Ocean: colorful buildings with structures that have distinctive bottoms, middles and tops.

"What's most important is that they relate to the street and they fit in within their context," Frick says.

The project has 3,569 square feet of ground-floor retail, but developers haven't decided on the usage.

"We're going to have probably something that's conducive to the area," Rowland says.

Other residential towers in the works along or near Ocean are Aqua, a pair of rectangular 22-story towers totaling 556 units. That project is slated for completion in February.

A group of developers announced in May that they hope to build the city's largest residential condominium project on a 5.6-acre parcel behind the World Trade Center. Plans call for three, 20-to 30-story towers with 1,050 upscale condominiums and ground-floor retail.
Developers are in discussions over preliminary designs, city planners say.

The same developers, Molasky Pacific, a high-powered team of business people that includes Kenneth Wynn, who developed several of brother Steve's lavish Vegas casino-resorts, scrapped a proposal earlier in May to construct the city's tallest building on Ocean and Alamitos Avenue.

The proposed 40-story residential tower drew criticism from residents living near the project who worried it would obstruct their views and create traffic congestion.

Anderson Pacific, a developer who owns the property, is planning a three-tower project. The project, known as Shoreline Gateway, proposes 310 residential units spread over buildings of 8, 15 and 22 stories.
City planning and building officials recently conducted a public meeting to gather input on the proposed project.

Don Jergler can be reached at (562) 499-1281.
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Lookin' good!

All of a sudden, I've forgotten all about that ill-fated & in all likelihood uber-cheesy 'Tower of Toscana' project. Good riddance; The Beach doesn't need it with this momentum.

Thanks for keeping us well-informed, LAMG.
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I found this new rendering of the Edgewater On Ocean:



Edgewater Condominiums , Long Beach, California

Designed to invoke the inventive architectural style known as “Miami Modern”, this ocean-view condominium tower consists of 24 floors with 155 residential units and 24,000 square feet of retail space. Located on prestigious Ocean Avenue in downtown Long Beach, the project has a clear geometric form capped with a signature curving roof profile which reflects its name.
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Blech. I guess I'm not a fan of the "Miami Modern" style, whatever that is.
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I agree... I like this rendition, not sure what the final version will be.

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^ Yea, that rendering makes the bldg look a lot better. The version of the Edgewater tower in the computer simulation isn't going to be the best for the skyline. But since a lot of highrise devlpt has been so tough & taken so long to get going in hoods like DTLB, I think of the idea that beggars can't be choosers. Still, if any proj has to end up delayed for yrs on end or ultimately cancelled, I guess it's better if it were Edgewater instead of another proposed bldg.
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This poster & the yellow tint of the photos made me swear at first this was something from the 1950s. If it weren't for the map showing the Carnival cruise terminal, Queen Mary, aquarium, I really would think this was a proposal from over 40 yrs ago.

The idea of a people mover for LB, at least in 2006, is totally surprising to me.
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I updated the first page to reflect the recent LB news.... man I'm so excited!


Condo complex planned
By Don Jergler, Staff writer

An artist's model of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center. .


An artist rendering of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center .


An artist rendering of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center .


This map shows the intended location of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center .
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Edgewater Condominiums , Long Beach, California


Empty lot set for new life?
By Don Jergler, Staff



LONG BEACH — Developers of Edgewater on Ocean, a high-profile condo tower development on the busy corner of Ocean Boulevard and Pine Avenue, say they are set to begin construction on the $180 million project this summer.

It would mark the first activity on the vacant lot since the late-1980s, when the Jergens Trust Building was torn down.

The Planning Commission on Thursday cleared a hurdle to begin development by unanimously granting a project variance that allows changes to the building's exterior design, an additional level of underground parking, an increase in lot coverage, a change to Victory Park improvements and a reduction in the amount of space required for corner cutoff at the driveway entrances.

The developer says the variances were necessary.

"I think we have substantially improved on the original plan," Steven Clark, executive vice president of James Ratkovich & Associates, told planning commissioners.

The site has sat vacant as several residential and hotel proposals have fallen by the wayside.

The 23-level structure 19 stories over four levels of parking will feature 155 condominiums between 800 square feet and 2,700 square feet priced between $400,000 and $3 million.

The project will include roughly 1,900 square feet of retail space at the intersection of Pine and Seaside Way. It will also feature 9,060 square feet of retail and 6,466 square feet for a restaurant and bar at the Ocean Boulevard level.

The four levels of parking will provide 359 on-site parking spaces. An off-site parking structure at 207 Seaside Way will provide an additional 276 parking spaces, according to plans.

The project calls for construction of two pedestrian bridges from the parking structure to 180 E. Ocean Blvd and the Long Beach Convention Center Plaza. One of the 20-foot wide pedestrian bridges will be built over Locust Avenue and connect to 180 E. Ocean Blvd. The other will be built over Collins Way to Convention Center plaza to provide pedestrian access from Pine Avenue to the convention center and the neighboring Aqua project.

The owners of the Breakers, a retirement community at 210 E. Ocean Blvd., have raised an objection, citing the parking problems a development on such a crowded corner would create for its neighbors.

"Twenty-five is just not enough," said Charles Rosenberg, who represents the Breakers and the Sky Room restaurant and bar atop the building. "We are suffering in our business because of the lack of parking."

Planning Commissioners dismissed Rosenberg's complaint as a matter between the Breakers and the Edgewater developer and voted unanimously to grant the variances. The project still needs further planning approval.

"Let's get this show on the road, it's been an empty lot long enough," said Planning Commissioner Charles Greenberg.

Don Jergler can be reached at (562) 499-1281.
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Landscaping, Art Could Remake
Promenade As Urban Trail




By Steve Irsay
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With three separate developments expected to bring nearly 300 new units of housing and almost 30,000 square feet of retail space to The Promenade area, changes are afoot for the pedestrian right-of-way itself.

Extensive landscaping, art installations and public seating are all part of the preliminary Promenade Landscape Master Plan, an ambitious multimillion dollar attempt to remake The Promenade between First and Third streets.

While it is still conceptual, the plan recently received endorsements from the Redevelopment Agency board and Planning Commission, both of which must ultimately approve it. Construction could begin later this year.

Some have said that regardless of the ultimate plan, virtually any changes to the Promenade would be changes for the better.

The Promenade was created as part of a downtown land use plan that eventually gave rise to both the CityPlace shopping center and The Pike entertainment complex. The Promenade was to be a pedestrian connection between destinations.

Despite the presence of the long-running farmer’s market (which relocated last year) and other special events, The Promenade long has been seen as an underutilized public space.

The goal now is to “activate” the space, said Jon Cicchetti, the landscape architect coordinating the master plan.

“The key is to think of The Promenade as a destination rather than just a through corridor,” he said.

Cicchetti described The Promenade as “a little sterile.” But that seems likely to change.

Late last year, The Olson Company broke ground on the west side of The Promenade between First Street and Broadway to develop a new mixed-use building. The multi-phase project ultimately will create 97 for-sale residential units and 12,820 square feet of retail space — more than half of which will be on the ground floor.

Next month, Lennar plans to build 62 for-sale residential units and 4,333 square feet of office space on the east side of The Promenade just south of Broadway.

And Lyon Realty Advisors is in negotiations with the Redevelopment Agency to build 104 rental lofts and more than 11,500-square-feet of office and retail space on the east side of the Promenade just south of Third Street. (A portion of the project would be on a parcel on Long Beach Boulevard.)

Cicchetti’s plan, which includes input from the three private developers and other stakeholders, is to lure people to The Promenade with a series of gardens, pocket parks, art installations and seating. The amphitheater at First Street will be renovated as well.

“We wanted to create a series of outdoor spaces — rooms, if you will — versus the linear element that is there now,” he said.

The tentative “design narrative” of the space will be Long Beach’s history with the aerospace industry, Cicchetti said. The Arts Council for Long Beach will oversee the selection of the public art.

Cicchetti estimated that it could cost $4.5 million to improve all three blocks of The Promenade. Any project likely will proceed in phases.

Rick Meghiddo, a local architect and RDA board member, described The Promenade as a “wilderness” of pavement, buildings and parking without any cohesive design.

“I think no matter what we do there, it will be a change for the better,” he said. “I don’t think it was a very positive environment.”

With the master planning approach, The Promenade can be woven into the growing downtown, he added.

“I think that it is going to be what I call the living room of the downtown,” Meghiddo said. “It is going to be a gathering place and the downtown desperately needs a place like that.”

http://www.gazettes.com/promenade02062006.html
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Cicchetti described The Promenade as “a little sterile.” But that seems likely to change.
"A little sterile"? If it were any more sterile I could do surgery there!!!

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The tentative “design narrative” of the space will be Long Beach’s history with the aerospace industry, Cicchetti said.
Aw crap, one of these guys. A "design narrative"??? The promenade doesn't need a "design narrative", it needs a design based on practical and aesthetic considerations, such as the need for connectivity, security, lighting, seating, walking paths, trash cans, trees, etc.

Think of about a dozen great parks/promenades I've experienced, none of them had a "narrative" other than "a place to chill" or "a way to pleasantly get from here to there."

Nobody's going to go to the Promenade for a "design narrative" about the aerospace industry. If this guy thinks this will draw people, he's delusional. Put up a statue if you want a commemoration. The only people who benefit from conceptual designs like this are egotistical, self-congratulatory "designers" like this guy. In the end, it is the public that loses.
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Here is the lastest progress going on in Long Beach. Borders suppose to open this week Feb 16 according to the noticed posted on the door. Taken today Feb 14 as I went out for some excercise on my rollerblades. I should have did this yesterday when it was hot. It was rather windy, and cool so not good for skating.





City Place Lofts is coming along too, these are on the lot of the Albertsons Supermarket.








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^ Thanks! I think that's the first photo update of DTLB in quite awhile.

For us ppl who live far away from your part of town, we have to settle for things like this remote cam----you need a fast net connection & have to switch the cam around so that it faces the coastline.

And good to hear that after settling in to your new job, you'll start snapping photos again in the future. And it helps that you have a night-owl work schedule, because taking photos during the day (certainly the weekday) is more limited when ppl have typical 9 to 5 work hours.
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Wow, that Borders looks GREAT!!! I am so happy for downtown LB.... this will really add to the downtown experience. Thanks for the update!
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Pike gets Borders book store
By Don Jergler, Staff writer



LONG BEACH — Borders opens today at the Pike at Rainbow Harbor, bringing to the downtown center its first anchor retailer and a sign of hope for neighboring businesses.
The Pike's scant retail offerings so far have failed to bring in the foot traffic that "lifestyle centers" a developers' term for outdoor shopping centers often generate.

Though it has plenty of well-known restaurants, the Pike has been short on retailers, and some restaurant owners have complained of a dearth of customers to go around.

One eatery Big Dippers Belgian Fries, now a vacant storefront next to Borders failed because it couldn't generate business.

Borders sits below the CineMark theater and across from one of the few existing retailers in the center, Long Beach Clothing Co., encircled by the outer portion of the Pike.

"There are so many people who do not venture into the inner sanctum of the Pike," said Long Beach Clothing Co. owner Jay Tilles, who is producer of KROQ's (106.7-FM) Kevin & Bean Morning Show. "This is what we paid for when we moved into the Pike."

Tilles has been called one of the Pike's biggest promoters. In addition to car and motorcycle shows and DJ contests, he has brought several KROQ events to the center, including the station's well-publicized semi-annual single's party, which was broadcast live from V20: The Venue at the Pike in 2004.

Tilles hopes Borders and its Seattle's Best cafe, the doors of which open about 30 feet from his shop, will bring browsers onto the sidewalks within the complex.

"I think it's one of the best possible additions to the center," he said. "With that lounge-like atmosphere in Borders, people will be inclined to spend a little more time here. It adds the much-needed retail element, and it's a spot that will bring people down to soak in a little more of the Pike."

The new 21,100-square-foot Borders will have the features of most newer Borders, including a Seattle's Best coffee shop and a Paperchase gifts and stationery shop. The store employs 45 people.

Holy Stein, a Borders spokeswoman, said the company chose the Pike because redevelopment of downtown Long Beach is taking shape.

"There's a lot going on down there," she said. "It's just a wonderful, wonderful area."

There is one Borders in Long Beach, in the Los Altos Market Center. Ann Arbor, Mich.-based Borders Group Inc., which owns Waldenbooks, is the nation's No. 2 bookstore chain after Barnes & Noble, with more than 1,200 Borders and Waldenbooks stores around the world.

The Pike store is open Sunday to Thursdays from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m., and Fridays and Saturdays 10 a.m. to 11 p.m. Parking is available at meters and in the Pike parking garage. Borders doesn't yet offer parking validation; however, managers say they are working on a validation program.

The store's phone number is (562) 491-0558.

Don Jergler can be reached at don.jergler@presstelegram.com or (562) 499-1281.
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Pine Avenue changes coming

Sales in the works may boost retail on entertainment-laden thoroughfare

By Don Jergler, Staff

LONG BEACH A wave of property transactions on Pine Avenue may give rise to several changes on the street, including higher lease rates, more retailers and a possible ban on new bars.
Six Pine Avenue properties are up for sale or have recently sold:

Woodland Hills-based Adler Realty Investments Inc. announced in August its purchase of 100 W. Broadway, a six-story building best known as home of King's Fish House at Pine and Broadway.

Earlier this month, a private investor announced the purchase of a property at Third Street and Pine Avenue for a reported $2.9 million, and said he may bring more food sellers to the corner. The 10,000-square-foot parcel at 247-257 Pine Ave. houses A & M Deli, Universal Jewelers, Koru Spa Salon, Tape & Record Room and Omelette Inn.

Ries Realty has put up for sale its 200 Pine Ave. property, home to Aladdin, Wasabi and an office building, and its 115 Pine property, which houses Alegria and L'Opera.

Pine Square, the location of an AMC theater and various food and goods sellers, and apartment units, has been listed for sale. Its owners already have secured city approval to convert the apartments to condominiums.

Property at Pine and Third Street that houses now-closed Express and Bath & Body Works, as well as Starbucks and Crown Books, has been on the market, and sources familiar with the property say it has been sold.

"When you see all of this activity happening it does signal major change," said Becky Blair with Blair Commercial Real Estate. "Rents will increase, because people will be paying record prices for these properties. Higher-end tenants will have to come here."

The sales come at a time when experts see the real estate cycle ending, and commercial development is usually the last to see increased prices and leasing activity.

"We may be at the end of this real estate boom," Blair said. "And the sellers are anticipating that they are taking the money and running or they are holding."

Ted Ries, president of Ries Realty, a privately held Beverly Hills company that owns both 115 and 200 Pine, said the company wasn't planning to sell the properties when they purchased them around 1997.

However, prices right now just look too good, he said.

"There's been such a run-up in price that given the equity that's trapped in those buildings now, selling makes sense," Ries said.

The Pine properties both approximately 70,000 square feet are going on the market unpriced.

The company is selling off all is existing assets which includes an 800,000-square-foot commercial portfolio in high-profile areas like Pasadena, downtown Los Angeles, and Beverly Hills and reinvesting in replacement properties in secondary markets.

"We're looking at really almost anywhere in the U.S. at this time," Ries said. "I know it gives us the opportunity to realize some nice gains for our investments and free up a substantial amount of equity."

Pine Square property owner Meruelo Enterprises has put out a listing for the 245 Pine Ave. property, but the company is not currently in negotiations to sell, said Meruelo representative Armando Delgado.

"We haven't sold anything and nothing's been discussed," Delgado said.

Meruelo successfully lobbied the city more than a year ago for approval to convert the apartments to condos, but no further action has been taken on the property.

To undertake the conversion, Meruelo would be required to pay off a Redevelopment Agency bond issued in 1993 for $13.6 million, said RDA staff member Jae Von Klug. The final payment isn't due until 2023, but the company could pay off the bond now at a cost of $12 million, she said.

A collection of buildings on the east side of Pine near the corner of Third Street that houses now-closed Express and Bath & Body Works, as well as Starbucks and Crown Books, may have been sold, sources familiar with the properties say.

The property was put up for sale following the dissolution of the partnership and massive real estate portfolio of Barry Beitler and Jeff Katofsky last year.

Neither partner could be reached for comment, and name of the new owner of the property has not yet been made public.

The property may be a centerpiece in a retail recruitment plan being put together by the city and the Downtown Long Beach Associates.

The closure of Express and Bath & Body Works took two important retailers away from Pine's already scant retail offerings. Pine businesses have been calling for more retailers on the street to bring in and keep visitors there.

Details of the recruitment efforts are due to be unveiled to the City Council in coming months, but sources familiar with the plan say it will involve a shift away from Pine's entertainment focus there are more than a dozen bars and clubs on the street.

Several business owners on Pine have been calling for a moratorium on alcohol and entertainment establishments.

Robert Swayze, the city's Economic Development Bureau manager, declined to discuss the plan until the council has a chance to see it, and he would only say that "we're upbeat about what's going to happen with retail on Pine Avenue."

Word is that The Madison owner Terry Antonelli, who also owns L'Opera, is seeking to purchase both 101 Pine and 110 Pine so he can own the buildings that house his restaurants.

Antonelli, who has already invested several million dollars to upgrade the buildings, said it is too early to discuss a deal for either building.

"We're in negotiations for 115 Pine," he said.

As for 101 Pine Ave., The Madison building, he added, "I may be working on something on that, but it's too early to talk about."

Ronni Gould, with property manager Ensemble Real Estate Services, would only say that 101 Pine is not currently on the market.

"We're not selling anything now," Gould said.

Real estate experts say any transformation on Pine may not be immediately apparent, but when lease rates start going up, many smaller operations may be replaced with larger, more well-known tenants.

"It's absolutely the best that can happen for Pine," Blair said, adding, "unfortunately it may crowd out some of the smaller retail tenants."

Raymond Goucher and Tape & Record Room partner Randy Lee Joseph may be among those forced out if rents go up.

The buyer of the Third and Pine property may plan to increase rents to meet market rates as well as bring in some new tenants to help revitalize the corner, said broker Geoff Tranchina of Irvine-based Sperry Van Ness.

There was no definitive information on which, if any, of the tenants may be forced to leave.

Universal Jewelers has several years left on a long-term lease, however Goucher and Joseph could be short-timers if they are forced to pay more for the space, Goucher said.

They currently pay $3,100 for 3,100 square feet, about half the average lease price of other storefronts in the area.

But the store does just enough business to pay the bills, Goucher said, adding, "We're practically down to the bare bones."

The store has been on the spot for more than 13 years, and has been operating in downtown Long Beach for 33 years, he said.

It won't just be higher lease rates that will bring in large retailers. Blair believes the city's changing demographics, due to upscale residential development, will make Pine more attractive to retailers.

By 2010, it's estimated that more than 5,200 housing units will have been added to the area and the population will have increased by more than 10,000. The average annual income for the downtown area in 2004 was estimated at a little more than $33,000. Adding the nearly 800-plus new upscale units in downtown that have recently been occupied, the average rises to just over $37,000, according to estimates from the DLBA.

By 2010, the average household income in downtown is expected to reach $52,000, DLBA estimates show.

"The Orange County market has tightened up so much and the price per square foot is so high and the same with the attractive areas of L.A., and Long Beach is in the center and people are really seeing Long Beach as a very, very good place to invest," Blair said. "I think that investors are looking for opportunities, and I think that Long Beach has always been an opportunity, probably never so much as this period in time."

Don Jergler can be reached at don.jergler@presstelegram.com (562) 499-1281.
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The closure of Express and Bath/Body Works was a huge disappointment, but more for my wife than for me. The worst thing is the huge hole it made in that bustling retail strip.

As for me, I'm stoked there's a Borders in DTLB. The Los Altos store was the one I frequented most, but now I'm going to start doing all my book buying at the Pike.

Hopefully the day is not too far off when the Pike will be bustling like it used to.

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Property at Pine and Third Street that houses now-closed Express and Bath & Body Works,


That's lousy news, esp since those are major retailers, & it's not like Pine is competing with a lot of similar streets in the immediate area.



I know a Barnes & Noble in DTLA on Hope St, in the Well Fargo Ctr, couldn't make a go of it several yrs ago. Outcomes like that or what's happened to those 2 stores in DTLB always remind me of how volatile it is for commercial spaces & whether they're a success or not, at least on certain streets & in certain hoods.

I read in the NY Times a few days ago that even parts of famous 5th Ave have been stuck with vacant spaces for several yrs, with some of them only now being leased up, to the type of stores common to the typical burb or mall, such as Best Buy.

Stories like that are the reason it's unrealistic to think there should be stores in every bldg, on every street.
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