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Old Posted Jul 30, 2007, 10:39 PM
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I agree with all these sentiments. The building should pay more homage to the 19 brave warriors of Islam who martyred themselves on 9/11. "Freedom Tower" is an insulting and embarassing name, as is the 1776 ft height. I suggest a tower with a roof height of 570 feet, representing the birth of the Prophet Mohammed and a spire height of 1968 feet, representing the birth year of Mohamed Atta. The building should be oriented such that every September 11th a beam of light gleams along an axis running through the western mountain region of Pakistan to honor the great leader who made 1WTC possible. This, no doubt, will satisfy Islamic terrorists to the point where they may allow the tower to remain standing.

But wait. "One World Trade Center"? Isn't "One" really a boastful claim? Typical American hubris to claim the building is #1! I don't think there should be a building #1. Labelling should start at #2 and go down from there. Also, the idea of a "world trade center" smacks of capitalist imperialism. This title should be dropped. I suggest that the building simply be known by its street address. That would be much better - perhaps even 34% better.

But wait, the building will be close to the intersection of West St. and Liberty St. How embarrassing! In order to further insure the new construction does not inflame the Islamists and placates liberal New York reporters, West Street could be renamed Middle East Street, Liberty Street could be renamed Abu Ghaib St, lower Manhattan could be named Upper Mohammed, and Tribeca could be recast as TriMecca.


Are you out of your cotten picking mind?! Who pissed in YOUR corn flakes this morning? Surely, you can't be serious. You gotta be joking, right?

But seriously, why must you come here and spread such hatred as that? This is very distasteful and should be edited.

Those 19 men were NOT brave warriors! They are more acturately described as sick cowards who caused well over 2,000 innocent people to die needlessly.

And if you believe that those 19 cockroaches were heros, then you seriously need your head examined. You're beginning to sound like a terrorist yourself! Sure you're not one?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2007, 11:14 PM
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2007, 11:15 PM
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 12:49 AM
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Joking or otherwise, I'd NEVER say a thing like that.

Because it's not a joke that those 19 madmen made an awful lot of people die
that day.

They were serious as a heart attack and even though they drove home a serious point, it was a sick dastardly diabolical one that had changed the lives of many all over the world.

Hence the Freedom Tower will proudly reclaim the skies over LM and restore pride and dignity in New York.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 12:51 AM
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That was very uncalled for and immature.
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As a New Yorker, I'M PISSED and OFFENDED. To even make light of what these 19 guys did is just uncalled for. 3000 people died that day and there is no room for humor in this day that WILL live in INFAMY. WHAT THE FUCK is going through someone's head in making a joke like that. Seriously.....inappropriate.
     
     
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Did anyone at all notice that Dalton's post was satirical response to some of the points made in the article by David Dunlap regarding the name and design of the Freedom Tower?

Or did you all just fly off the handle?
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 2:42 AM
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I thought it was quite obvious that it was sarcasm directed toward those who wish to bury the name "Freedom Tower" because it is "jingoistic" or "embarassing", or those who simply want to forget that 9/11 was an act or WAR against the United States and all it stands for, not simply a criminal act by a handful of misguided hijackers.

Why not evoke a little anger toward those who want to forget the attrocity of 9/11 or minimize it by denying the intent behind the targeting of the WTC? How about a little anger toward those who laugh and sneer at the mere mention of the word "freedom" as hokey or old-fashioned or "jingoistic? How about getting angry at the implication that 9/11 was somehow deserved or can be justified? That's what pisses ME off!

As much as many New Yorkers want to put the whole "incident" behind them and as much as some New York media liberals associate the term "Freedom" with right-wing (or even just Republican) politicians, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center has NATIONAL importance. The new towers rising at the World Trade Center are a symbol of American resilience and rebirth - not just New York's rebirth. Sorry, but it's true. The whole rebuilt center will be known as the World Trade Center. There will be a memorial to honor and reflect on the loss of 3000 souls, including the brave heroes who sacrificed their lives trying to save others. But the tallest tower demands an iconic name that represents the strongest ideal and aspiration of the America people, even as we struggle toward its full realization.

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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 3:27 AM
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I think when all is said and done, the Freedom Tower will not only be recognized as a bold addition to the lower Manhattan skyline but, with the base treatment I envision from the renderings, an elegant and inspiring building at ground level as well.

Askew latticework with wind turbines and hanging gardens be damned. This building is forthright and resolute. It definitely will not be a "bunker" or a monument to fear any more than the Washington Monument is. Let 2 WTC provide the subtleties the critics demand...

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As a New Yorker, I'M PISSED and OFFENDED. To even make light of what these 19 guys did is just uncalled for. 3000 people died that day and there is no room for humor in this day that WILL live in INFAMY. WHAT THE FUCK is going through someone's head in making a joke like that. Seriously.....inappropriate.
straight-faced sarcasm is not equivalent to making a joke. and as an AMERICAN, you should be even more pissed that there are powerful snobs out there who don't want to name it Freedom Tower because they don't want to offend anyone
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 4:31 AM
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I <3 you Dalton! Daquan, go get hit by a bus, or learn what sarcasm is. Either one is fine.

Looks like they have made some progress since my last visit, I was hoping for a bit more. When is it supposed to be above ground again? 2009?

Also, to carry on the current argument of the name, they should drop the name Freedom Tower. Sounds kinda silly, but I understand the importance. 1 WTC sounds good.
     
     
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I thought it was quite obvious that it was sarcasm directed toward those who wish to bury the name "Freedom Tower" because it is "jingoistic" or "embarassing", or those who simply want to forget that 9/11 was an act or WAR against the United States and all it stands for, not simply a criminal act by a handful of misguided hijackers.

Why not evoke a little anger toward those who want to forget the attrocity of 9/11 or minimize it by denying the intent behind the targeting of the WTC? How about a little anger toward those who laugh and sneer at the mere mention of the word "freedom" as hokey or old-fashioned or "jingoistic? How about getting angry at the implication that 9/11 was somehow deserved or can be justified? That's what pisses ME off!

As much as many New Yorkers want to put the whole "incident" behind them and as much as some New York media liberals associate the term "Freedom" with right-wing (or even just Republican) politicians, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center has NATIONAL importance. The new towers rising at the World Trade Center are a symbol of American resilience and rebirth - not just New York's rebirth. Sorry, but it's true. The whole rebuilt center will be known as the World Trade Center. There will be a memorial to honor and reflect on the loss of 3000 souls, including the brave heroes who sacrificed their lives trying to save others. But the tallest tower demands an iconic name that represents the strongest ideal and aspiration of the America people, even as we struggle toward its full realization.
Why do have a problem with people that think the name "Freedom Tower" sounds jingoistic? IMO it does sound jingoistic.
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Oh man.

I can imagine that some of you guys felt intimidated by the 'sarcasm' that our friend has spread above. I don't want to judge if it's adequate to call murderers heroes, even if meant as a joke, but i think it is necessary to see the text as a whole.

It sure is right in the face, but it is sarcasm. Nobody declared the barbarian acts that happened that sad day as holy, or the people who have done this to thousands of innocents as heroes. How? Because it is sarcasm, which doesn't have to represent the writers opinion.

Whether you felt this to be appropriate or not, the fact is that the text by Pussy Willow was NOT SERIOUS. I think that I can guarantee that he is not the one that really thinks this way.
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no matter what the name it will be breathtaking!!



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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 2:24 PM
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And it will STILL be called the Freedom Tower by many!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2007, 2:52 PM
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^^ And that name will still be mocked (deservedly so) by many.
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I agree with all these sentiments. The building should pay more homage to the 19 brave warriors of Islam who martyred themselves on 9/11. "Freedom Tower" is an insulting and embarassing name, as is the 1776 ft height.
I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but unfortunately there are some non-muslims that think this way..... Like Ward Churchill and other pro-Communists.

I like the name "Freedom Tower", but as America slips further and further into Socialism, and we become more and more controlled by PC thought/speech control police, I'm not so sure "Freedom Tower" pertains to this society. Or at least it won't in the future.
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Dalton -- I love your intellect and thought your remarks brilliant. Sarcasm at its best! Well said and well written. Some just lack basic understanding of a great literary technique used by brilliant minds throughout history to prove their point by making a mockery of a counterpoint. Thanks I had to print your remarks and put them up on my cork board at work...hope you don't mind?!
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I personally prefer the name "1 WTC". I never liked the name "Freedom Tower". To me it takes away the business aspect of the new complex. A memorial is being built, there is no need the memorialize the entire complex.

Thats just my opinion.
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