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Old Posted Dec 24, 2010, 11:34 PM
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and one last little tidbit, before I take off for the evening.

The only NFL City's with and CMSA (unless noted) equal to or less than the SLC CMSA (1.7) all have much larger state population (UT 2.8):

Green Bay (MSA) 305,000, WI 5.6
New Orleans 1.2, LA 4.5
Jacksonville (MSA) 1.3, FL 18.5
Nashville 1.7, TN 6.3

The next closest populations
Kansas City (2.1), MO 6
Indianapolis (2.1), IN 6.4

Only 4 of 30 teams have an CMSA less than 2 million and only 9 of the 30 are below 2.5 million.

How many of these teams rely on populations and TV markets outside their CMSA or state to support their teams? Without seeing the market reports for all the teams we'll never know.

What I am getting at is that while we are growing here in SLC and UT very rapidly, do we honestly have the population, and potential sponsors to support and NFL team?

Like it or not a certain percentage of the SLC CMSA population will not attend games on Sundays, what that percentage is, I do not know.

Data collected from census.gov 2009 population estimates
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2010, 11:40 PM
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How big is Oregon anyways? I know we ( Utah ) has around 2.8 Million.
In 2010 Utah had a population of 2,783,885.

In 2010 Oregon had a population of 3,831,538.

Utah has a growth trajectory that is just under twice as fast as Oregon right now.

From 1970 to 2010

Utah has had a growth rate average of about 27.25%.

Oregon has had a growth rate average of about 16.5%.

In 1970 Utah had a population of 1,059,273

In 1970 Oregon had a population of 2,091,385.

Projecting into the future using the same growth rates would look like this:

In 2020 Utah at a 27.25 growth rate would have a population of 3,542493 (+ 758,608)

In 2020 Oregon at a 16.5 growth rate would have a population of 4,463,741 (+ 632,203)

In 2030 Utah at a 27.25 growth rate would have a population of 4,507,822 (+ 965,329)

In 2030 Oregon at a 16.5 growth rate would have a population of 5,200,258 (+ 736,517)

Why is this relevant? Because from the brief research I have done on this topic since Future Mayor brought it up, I found out Oregon (Portland), at their size right now, has been considered as a possible location for a MLB team.

My numbers come from the Census Website. http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/index.php

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I think it will be quite some time before the ESA Arena has outlived it's usefullness. It's still one of the nicer NBA arenas on the continent, especially now. As mentioned, it is more than capable of handleing any future upgrades, and it's exterior design is going to hold it's appeal for an indefinite period of time. Many arenas are firmly grounded in that ugly 60's-70's look, but not the ESA.

We'll see a NFL stadium before the ESA's demise.
I remember just after ESA was built I was looking through an issue of Sports Illustrated for Kids where they did a survey on best/worst according to players. Apparently ESA has a terrible visiting team locker room.

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Like it or not a certain percentage of the SLC CMSA population will not attend games on Sundays, what that percentage is, I do not know.
Yeah, but we all know a large portion of that percentage wouldn't feel any worse for skipping church and going to a game.
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2010, 4:27 PM
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So what is driving this record population growth in Utah?
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2010, 11:00 PM
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High birth rates, low average marriage age, attractive business climate, affordable living, etc.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2010, 12:06 AM
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High birth rates, low average marriage age, attractive business climate, affordable living, etc.
So then it isn't attributed to a boom&bust type style economy such as oil & gas then? Cool.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2010, 3:28 PM
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So then it isn't attributed to a boom&bust type style economy such as oil & gas then? Cool.
I wouldn't view it as a boom bust economy. Utah is a steady grower that isn't plagued by massive ups or downs. It is growing because people are having babies and staying because they like it and there are jobs. Businesses like the low cost of doing business and the dependable workforce. Fundamentals, not boom and bust.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2010, 6:01 PM
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Utah reminds me, in a few small ways, of Southern California. What single economic factor creates swings in the SoCal economy?

- Housing?
- Tourism?
- Finance?
- Manufacturing?
- Construction (new home growth)?
- Agriculture?

Those are all major players in the Southland, but no single factor is an economy buster for the entire region.

Utah is very similar:

Tourism: We have Mormons flocking here 3-4 times per year for the two General Conference sessions, Women's Conference, and BYU Education Week. There's a nice trickle of tourists the rest of the year, which I'd say is proportionally similar to the number of tourists visiting Los Angeles compared to the population. Add in the avalanche of out-of-state skiers, and we've really got a decent number of tourists year round.

New home growth: Just as L.A. has a never ending faucet of new move-ins because of the climate and lifestyle, Utah has a higher birthrate and an attitude amongst most to live out their entire lives in Utah (except for me, who can't seem to escape).

We also have reasonable significant splashes into finance, construction, and agriculture, but none is singularly critical to our economic well-being.

Compare with:

Las Vegas: Tourism, tourism, tourism
Hartford: Finance, finance, finance
Des Moines: Agriculture, agriculture, agriculture
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more transit funding approved

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Old Posted Dec 27, 2010, 11:43 PM
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Yeah!
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I'm hoping for a sunny day to drive over to the TRAX lines under construction and take photos, but the weather forecast doesn't look too well.
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Old Posted Dec 29, 2010, 8:12 AM
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I'm hoping for a sunny day to drive over to the TRAX lines under construction and take photos, but the weather forecast doesn't look too well.
Dude, it's like we are on the same Christmas present (to self) frequency and have interests in transit projects.
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Amazing how much higher-profile the other projects getting funding are compared to Salt Lake City. SLC is definitely one of the leaders for mid-sized metro areas in public transit.
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Old Posted Dec 30, 2010, 1:35 AM
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TRAX Photo Update

Here's all the pictures I could snap before the blizzard came in:

West Valley









Bridge near Maverick Center (E-center)









West Valley City Hall







I don't remember where this was. I think it's where the West Valley line crosses the Jordan River.



Mid-Jordan




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Thanks for the pics, dude...
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Thanks for the update.
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Thanks!

UTA changed their website quite a bit:

http://www.rideuta.com
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I remember at one point UTA was planning on (or was rumored to be) changing the Trax lines so they are referred by color. Does anybody know if that's still happening?
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Excellent progress and of course an excellent update. Thanks for sharing.
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Awesome shots SLC Dude! I just came home from a nice New Years vacation in San Francisco and was very encouraged by the progress being made on the Airport TRAX line. I think I may just follow your lead and test out my new camera and post some updates once the snow disappears.
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