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Old Posted Nov 27, 2013, 10:40 PM
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Zoning Study on Local Shops and Services in Residential Neighbourhoods

http://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/public...s-and-services

Overview
The City is undertaking a zoning study that will determine appropriate locations for local commercial zoning within residential neighbourhoods.



This study forms part of the Zoning Consistency Team's (Planning and Growth Management Department) work plan approved by Council. Existing shops and stores, such as convenience stores, barber shops, small laundromat, florist, and café's are often located in residential areas where present zoning may not permit these businesses beyond what currently exists. The study proposes to rezone these sites, where appropriate, to permit these businesses to continue to contribute to their community. The study will also consider possible new locations for, scale of, and provisions for, neighbourhood focused commercials uses that might fall between a home-based business and full-fledged retail store.

Online Questionnaire

We want to hear your views on this important zoning study and thank you for participating by completing the questionnaire

To review the definitions of the listed land uses in the questionnaire please consult the Zoning By-law.


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Goals
  • Through public consultation identify appropriate locations for local commercial zoning within residential neighbourhoods.
  • Identify existing non-conforming shops and services in residential neighbourhoods and where appropriate rezone these sites to maintain the ability to operate these local-serving businesses.
  • Identify streets, intersections and key areas where local commercial business would be appropriate as enhancements to the public realm.
  • Promote opportunities through zoning for neighbourhood shops and services.
  • Establish a new local commercial zone that is pedestrian and cyclist oriented.
  • Study Area
The study area includes a review of established residential neighbourhoods in Wards 12, 13, 14, 15, 17 and 18. However, results from this study may be implemented in other wards as applicable.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2013, 10:43 PM
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this is a very important study. Too much of our city is segregated into different types of uses. Getting a rezoning in Ottawa is costly and time-consuming for many small businesses trying to start up, and the legality of changing or expanding non-conforming uses can be difficult to understand.
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Interesting study. I wonder if land use/zoning was not a barrier what uptake/interest there would be from the business community to bring back to the convenience store. Also, what are some other non-planning barriers (i.e. property tax)?
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thanks for the link!
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The meaningless, expensive official plan documents talk about prioritizing mixed-use neighbourhood.

Our actual zoning by-laws dictate that existing neighbourhoods must become LESS mixed in their uses.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/city+ru...044/story.html

The rules for creating small businesses in residential neighbourhoods need to be loosened if the economy is going to grow and diversify. But this is Ottawa, where the first impulses are Regulate Sh|t and NIMBYism.

What a friggin' joke.
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I live in Hintonburg and ever since I was little I remember visiting the corner store on Gladstone and Fairmont, and petting the owners' Shih Tzu, Oreo. Every so often I would go in and buy bus tickets and then catch the #14 downtown. Now, however, that's not quite possible, as the previous owners sold the property to another person to run it as a corner store/ dry-cleaners, and they don't sell bus tickets anymore.

Looking at the site, it has a wrap around parking lot, where in the back they park a VirtuCar for locals. The store seems to slowly become less and less successful, and it would not surprise me if one day soon it, like the corner store that used to sit at Sherbrooke and Gladstone (but closed down, oh, 10 years ago), will close.

I think we should be more open to having more stores scattered throughout the residential areas, and have more commercial strips. Wellington Street is decent, but it would be great for Scott and Armstrong, among a few others in the area to be more diversified.

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Not just anything could or should be OK, Chernushenko said. Most small merchants, from barbershops to florists to groceterias are fine. “Pubs on certain corners, and the people coming home late at night from them, is another story,” he said.
Um... little neighbourhood pubs on corners isn't okay because he thinks they are guaranteed to cause noisy, damaging people walking around the "quiet residential streets"? That those pubs on commercial strips don't cause similar problems? I don't know if I agree with this, especially if this excluded restaurants.

One of the things I loved about living in Montreal was how restaurants, pubs, clothing stores and more were not just on main commercial strips, but also off them and in more residential areas. How these probably were cornerstores that then were given more uses.


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I think we should be more open to having more stores scattered throughout the residential areas, and have more commercial strips. Wellington Street is decent, but it would be great for Scott and Armstrong, among a few others in the area to be more diversified.
You see a bit of "just-off" commercial development all along Bank Street in Centretown and the Glebe (commercial properties on a side street "just off" the main street). There's a lot of similar sort of development, in a more car-oriented environment, "just off" Montreal Road.

This sort of thing needs to be encouraged. There is a shortage of small retail spaces available, and many spaces are being lost to redevelopment. This is very bad for the economic vitality of the city.

And yes, new commercial strips should also be allowed, and older ones revitalized and gap-filled. Main Street, Beechwood, Marier, Somersets East and West, etc., etc.

And yes, let small retail operations stay, and be newly-developed, right in the middle of residential communities. As long as it's not a noxious or dangerous industry, let the market decide, not some anal-retentive Ottawa bureaucratic rule. (Anyone remember the baseball bat factory fiasco from a few years back?)
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Part of the problem is that retailing has become so competitive with the advantage going to the big chains. This has made it so difficult for the little guy to make money and as a result many give up. All the corner stores in my neighbourhood have now closed for this very reason. We all saw how Chapters killed off virtually all the small bookstores and now half the stores are no longer books. A reflection of changing technology but also, we have lost a whole class of small retailers. That is also the case with drug stores and many other types of retailing. Yes, we get those big bright stores, but they are also so cold and unresponsive to the local community. But we have spoken with our shopping dollars as we continue to not support small local retailers even if they offer better customer service. And we all know, how lousy customer service is in those big stores.
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The meaningless, expensive official plan documents talk about prioritizing mixed-use neighbourhood.

Our actual zoning by-laws dictate that existing neighbourhoods must become LESS mixed in their uses.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/city+ru...044/story.html

The rules for creating small businesses in residential neighbourhoods need to be loosened if the economy is going to grow and diversify. But this is Ottawa, where the first impulses are Regulate Sh|t and NIMBYism.

What a friggin' joke.
So, if the city wants to do something to correct a contradiction, it's a friggin' joke?
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this is a very important study. Too much of our city is segregated into different types of uses. Getting a rezoning in Ottawa is costly and time-consuming for many small businesses trying to start up, and the legality of changing or expanding non-conforming uses can be difficult to understand.
Help...the sky is falling.....

http://bulldogottawa.com/leave-it-to...t/#more-611671

BTW..what the hell is a 'jug milk store'?

The tone of this article reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Well it does give us a break from the bloggers recent unseemly obsession with Joanne Chianello. A year or so ago it was Katherine Hobbs and now it is the Ottawa Citizen columnist.
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Help...the sky is falling.....

http://bulldogottawa.com/leave-it-to...t/#more-611671

BTW..what the hell is a 'jug milk store'?

The tone of this article reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

Well it does give us a break from the bloggers recent unseemly obsession with Joanne Chianello. A year or so ago it was Katherine Hobbs and now it is the Ottawa Citizen columnist.
Now he's attacking a former co-worker who has become one of Ottawa's most prominent journalist? He's really gone off the deep-end, hasn't he? Was his journalism as bad as his blog is back when he worked for the Citizen?

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2015, 2:17 AM
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here are all the zoning proposals ... the Bulldog makes it sound like this is an invasion of neigbourhoods but this is really focusing on key corner properties and residential parts of streets like Parkdale, Gladstone, and Holland, and secondary streets like Armstrong and Donald.
http://ottawa.ca/en/public-circulation-january-2015
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here are all the zoning proposals ... the Bulldog makes it sound like this is an invasion of neigbourhoods but this is really focusing on key corner properties and residential parts of streets like Parkdale, Gladstone, and Holland, and secondary streets like Armstrong and Donald.
http://ottawa.ca/en/public-circulation-january-2015
The sky is falling posts continue. Way back when it was just extremification that was troubling the blogger, then it moved on to the failings of Katherine Hobbs, then Joanne Chianello was in his crosshairs and now the Lowell Green in training is all flustered about the threat of a jug milk store in residential neighbourhoods. You can't make this stuff up.

http://bulldogottawa.com/commercial-...s/#more-612515

http://bulldogottawa.com/how-about-a...ore-next-door/

http://bulldogottawa.com/and-one-more-vital-point/
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The sky is falling posts continue. Way back when it was just extremification that was troubling the blogger, then it moved on to the failings of Katherine Hobbs, then Joanne Chianello was in his crosshairs and now the Lowell Green in training is all flustered about the threat of a jug milk store in residential neighbourhoods. You can't make this stuff up.

http://bulldogottawa.com/commercial-...s/#more-612515

http://bulldogottawa.com/how-about-a...ore-next-door/

http://bulldogottawa.com/and-one-more-vital-point/
It's like a crappy Fox News..
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I just read some of the public comments and they are some of the NIMBYiest I've ever heard.

"Concerns about crime due to the business having a cash register" really?
"Why encourage a neighbourhood business when commercial destinations are accessible by car in less than 10 minutes" Yeah, everyone has a car and wants to drive 10 minutes instead of walking 5.

Communities would be more vibrant and lively with people walking to nearby shops instead of driving for every simple errand.

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Corner store zoning aims to ‘stop the hemorrhage’

By Emma Jackson
Ottawa South News, Jun 01, 2015


Just as the city is trying to create walkable, complete neighbourhoods, the very stores that make them so are disappearing.

A zoning amendment initiated by the city aims to buck that trend while also adding new opportunities for micro-retail to pop up in urban residential neighbourhoods.

Right now, 70 small businesses across the urban core are considered ‘legal non-conforming’ – so if the store owner ever closes up shop, a new business is not allowed to open up in the same spot.

But a zoning amendment passed at planning committee on May 26 will permanently allow those commercial uses to stay by creating a new ‘residential neighbourhood commercial’ subzone in parts of College, Rideau-Vanier, Rideau-Rockcliffe, Somerset, Kitchissippi, River, Capital and Alta Vista wards.

It will allow businesses like convenience stores, artist studios, medical offices and grocery stores to set up inside residential neighbourhoods, which in turn will create healthier, more complete communities, staff said.

The businesses would have to include at least one residential unit and would be restricted to 100 square metres on the ground floor or basement of the building. They also wouldn’t be allowed to offer parking.

Staff have also proposed a second subzone called Neighbourhood Commercial, found inside local commercial areas to allow neighbourhood services like animal hospitals, banks, day cares or a private school.

Overall, a total of 510 properties, some with commercial uses already and others not, would be rezoned in one of the two new subzones.

While councillors were generally supportive of the plan, Rideau-Vanier Coun. Mathieu Fleury and Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper each passed motions to remove parts of their wards from the changes.

In Fleury’s case, he asked to remove Osgoode Street in Sunday Hill because the neighbourhood is already well served by commercial areas on King Edward and Laurier avenues.

“We don’t want to dilute those main streets,” he said.

Leiper’s motion put a hold on rezoning the handful of properties along Armstrong Street in Hintonburg until it can be better studied.

The Hintonburg back road has a number of vacant parcels, he said, and is slated for an in-depth planning study through the Hintonburg Community Association and Wellington West BIA.

He said community groups want to expand the opportunities for micro-retail beyond what the city’s bylaw suggests, so it makes sense to wait.

“It is a significant opportunity in our community to create potentially some incubation space for funky new businesses,” he said.

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/n...e-hemorrhage-/
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I would prefer if the rules of this new "residential neighbourhood commercial" zone was applied to all residential areas in the city, so that a small shop could set up in any residential neighbourhood anywhere they want, whether it's a suburban cul-de-sac or a Westboro sidestreet.
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