HOUSTON | Development Thread II

[JManc]

the intermodal facility is DOA.

[GrimReaper]

I don't understand what's the big fuss about this Ashby High Rise? http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...egun-to-fight/

I thought Houston has no zoning laws.

[TexasPlaya]

Originally Posted by GrimReaper

I don't understand what's the big fuss about this Ashby High Rise? http://houston.culturemap.com/newsde...egun-to-fight/

I thought Houston has no zoning laws.

It doesn't have zoning but the rich folks are upset regardless.

[photoLith]

I seriously dont understand why they are so up in arms over that like 20 story building. Every time I see some uppity douche with one of those stop Ashby highrise bumper stickers I just want to punch them in the throat because it seriously makes no sense why they are so against it. I mean, theres tons of mid rise residential towers all over the city and they live in the city, so get over it. And their little cartoon of the highrise makes it seem like its a 600ft tall building or something. What are they so against? The possible shadows it will cast? Why do they care, most of that neighborhood is covered in trees and the ground is usually shadowed by them anyways.

From the article above...

# If you nevertheless succeed in constructing this project, we will not stop our opposition, and we will take every lawful action available to us. It is important that you, your investors, and your construction and permanent lenders understand this.
# We will picket your leasing office. Not once or twice, but at all times it is open.
# We will identify your tenants and send regular communications to them at their units and their places of business to let them know that they are not welcome in our neighborhood.
# When your tenants walk in or through our neighborhood, we will let them know that they are not welcome.
# We will challenge the permits for your restaurant tenant.
# We will boycott your restaurant and encourage our friends and neighbors to do the same. We will appear at your tenant’s restaurant and demonstrate our opposition to their presence in our neighborhood.
# If your restaurant tenant has other locations, we will boycott and appear at those locations as well.
# We will appear at the homes of the owners, investors, and chef of your restaurant tenant and demonstrate our opposition to their presence in our neighborhood.
# We will post unfavorable reviews of your restaurant tenant on dining websites.

How about we form an pro Ashby highrise group and picket these assholes houses and tell them they arent welcome in a changing city and can piss off to Tulsa or something. Some of the above stuff is like borderline stalking and harassment.

Some other things they might as well add to that list would be... we will show up at your houses and places of business and key your cars and spray paint your windows to show our opposition; we will also be forced to break your gas lines leading to your houses or condos and be forced to light molotov cocktails to show our opposition to this highrise.

[GrimReaper]

Hell yeah! we need to outnumbered them.

[TexasBoi]

Originally Posted by photoLith

# We will picket your leasing office. Not once or twice, but at all times it is open.
# We will identify your tenants and send regular communications to them at their units and their places of business to let them know that they are not welcome in our neighborhood.#
When your tenants walk in or through our neighborhood, we will let them know that they are not welcome.
# We will challenge the permits for your restaurant tenant.
# We will boycott your restaurant and encourage our friends and neighbors to do the same. We will appear at your tenant’s restaurant and demonstrate our opposition to their presence in our neighborhood.
# If your restaurant tenant has other locations, we will boycott and appear at those locations as well.
# We will appear at the homes of the owners, investors, and chef of your restaurant tenant and demonstrate our opposition to their presence in our neighborhood.
# We will post unfavorable reviews of your restaurant tenant on dining websites.

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What a childish and absolute freaking joke.

[photoLith]

If I were ever a tenant there and they did that I would for sure find out where they lived and do the same thing to them on a daily basis late at night and bang on their door to tell them I don't like them and that if they ever harassed me again I'd call the cops on them.

I really want to fuck with these anti ashby high rise people now though somehow.

[Double L]

This guys got a blog where he talks about Houston Politics. He posted this two months ago on the Ashby Highrise.

• Video Link

[JManc]

i think the ashby developers should redesign the building to be twice as tall with the menacing grin and arms.

[N90]

Alright enough talk of this Ashby Highrise issue, we have an eternity to discuss that BUT I want to bring to your attention Generation Park.

Generation Park:

McCord Development Inc. is set to launch Generation Park — a 3,635-acre corporate park near George Bush Intercontinental Airport that, when completely developed, would have a total value of more than $5 billion.
McCord has been acquiring land northeast of Houston for two decades for what it touts as the largest new U.S. commercial development. Generation Park is designed to have 30 million square feet of office, industrial, medical, retail, hospitality and multifamily space.

Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/p...sets-huge.html

Sweet infill

[photoLith]

Yay a huge suburban office park, how exquisitely exciting. It's so great that houstons suburbs are still pushing out even further into forested land and farmland, such a great step forward in the right direction. Next lets talk about suburban housing tract infill in kingwood and the woodlands.

[AviationGuy]

Originally Posted by photoLith

Yay a huge suburban office park, how exquisitely exciting. It's so great that houstons suburbs are still pushing out even further into forested land and farmland, such a great step forward in the right direction. Next lets talk about suburban housing tract infill in kingwood and the woodlands.

I'm with you. But at least it's better than that other junk around the airport. When the airport was built, flying into it provided some beautiful forested scenery. Now, it's mostly warehouses, junk yards, and other unsightly stuff. The only airport area that looks worse is PHX as you land from the west.

[Shasta]

Have you seen where the Ashby Tower is supposed to be?

Bissonnet has two lanes and is lined with nothing taller than 3 stories (the Rice U Graduate Housting units). The few businesses along that street are 90% located in old houses with one strip mall-ish building closer to Shepherd Drive that houses Picnic and Raven Grill.

Ashby Street doesn't even have lanes. It's a purely residential street that straddles two of Houston's most historic residential enclaves; Boulevard Oaks and Southampton. Both Blvd Oaks and Southampton have STRICT deed restrictions.

I love towers, but I'd prefer them to be integrated properly into the city. This building will do nothing to ease congestion or promote "urban" living. Additionally, it will be replacing a much more affordable two story apartment complex so it's not like the "rich" folks are trying to keep people out of their neighborhood.

If you've ever ventured to North or South Blvds and appreciated the live oak parks down the center, then you'd realize what's at stake. The Ashby Tower will literally rise over South Blvd.'s most historic homes. There's so little left to preserve in Houston, but to me, potentially ripping the fabric of one of the city's healthiest street car suburban neighborhoods, isn't worth the risk.

[Bailey]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Have you seen where the Ashby Tower is supposed to be?

Bissonnet has two lanes and is lined with nothing taller than 3 stories (the Rice U Graduate Housting units). The few businesses along that street are 90% located in old houses with one strip mall-ish building closer to Shepherd Drive that houses Picnic and Raven Grill.

Ashby Street doesn't even have lanes. It's a purely residential street that straddles two of Houston's most historic residential enclaves; Boulevard Oaks and Southampton. Both Blvd Oaks and Southampton have STRICT deed restrictions.

I love towers, but I'd prefer them to be integrated properly into the city. This building will do nothing to ease congestion or promote "urban" living. Additionally, it will be replacing a much more affordable two story apartment complex so it's not like the "rich" folks are trying to keep people out of their neighborhood.

If you've ever ventured to North or South Blvds and appreciated the live oak parks down the center, then you'd realize what's at stake. The Ashby Tower will literally rise over South Blvd.'s most historic homes. There's so little left to preserve in Houston, but to me, potentially ripping the fabric of one of the city's healthiest street car suburban neighborhoods, isn't worth the risk.

Shasta, I agree 100000000% with what you are saying but the people of Houston have overwhelmingly decided that they do not want to operate that way. We've had a city plan and zoning ordinances on the ballot multiple times and they all got voted down.

Two elections ago we had a pro-urban planning/city plan mayorial candidate run for mayor and he lost.

You can't decide to have zoning ONLY when it benefits your particular situation. If anything, hopefully the city will legally install something to protect the character and charm of these neighborhoods and implement some zoning requirements. Let's hope it leads to a better Houston.

For my job, I get the chance to work on projects all over the country, and I do a lot of zoning research during the due diligence process. Zoning isn't as scary as everyone thinks, most of it is to ensure that the building adds to the character and charm of the neighborhood and not detract from it via facade/roof/glazing/exterior material requirements

I really would like to see Houston heading in that direction.

[photoLith]

That will never happen. Money rules Houston and the developers have it all. I am personally in Favor of the high rise but would love to see Houston have zoning because nothing in this city is really protected from tear downs and poorly integrated infill like all the crap tin sided gated buildings going up in Montrose, freedmans town, and the east side.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Have you seen where the Ashby Tower is supposed to be?

Bissonnet has two lanes and is lined with nothing taller than 3 stories (the Rice U Graduate Housting units). The few businesses along that street are 90% located in old houses with one strip mall-ish building closer to Shepherd Drive that houses Picnic and Raven Grill.

Ashby Street doesn't even have lanes. It's a purely residential street that straddles two of Houston's most historic residential enclaves; Boulevard Oaks and Southampton. Both Blvd Oaks and Southampton have STRICT deed restrictions.

I love towers, but I'd prefer them to be integrated properly into the city. This building will do nothing to ease congestion or promote "urban" living. Additionally, it will be replacing a much more affordable two story apartment complex so it's not like the "rich" folks are trying to keep people out of their neighborhood.

If you've ever ventured to North or South Blvds and appreciated the live oak parks down the center, then you'd realize what's at stake. The Ashby Tower will literally rise over South Blvd.'s most historic homes. There's so little left to preserve in Houston, but to me, potentially ripping the fabric of one of the city's healthiest street car suburban neighborhoods, isn't worth the risk.

welcome to houston. there is a tallish residential building going up in the galleria (bigger than ashby) that is in a very cramped spot next door to a walgreens whose only access is a small side street linking westheimer to yorktown. now, the traffic there will be a total nightmare but since we live in a city with no zoning, this is what happens. why should the people near ashby get special treatment? because they're wealthy?

[AviationGuy]

In Austin we have zoning and we still have horrible planning, in some cases due to variances. In other cases, due to lack of public notice and comment. People here stay pissed all the time about this sort of stuff. Having zoning doesn't solve the problem. Having zoning and leadership and a majority of residents who actually care about these things is what solves the problem.

[TexasPlaya]

Houston just needs to end minimum parking requirements and establish an urban setback requirement(which is currently being done).

[TexasPlaya]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Have you seen where the Ashby Tower is supposed to be?

Bissonnet has two lanes and is lined with nothing taller than 3 stories (the Rice U Graduate Housting units). The few businesses along that street are 90% located in old houses with one strip mall-ish building closer to Shepherd Drive that houses Picnic and Raven Grill.

Ashby Street doesn't even have lanes. It's a purely residential street that straddles two of Houston's most historic residential enclaves; Boulevard Oaks and Southampton. Both Blvd Oaks and Southampton have STRICT deed restrictions.

I love towers, but I'd prefer them to be integrated properly into the city. This building will do nothing to ease congestion or promote "urban" living. Additionally, it will be replacing a much more affordable two story apartment complex so it's not like the "rich" folks are trying to keep people out of their neighborhood.

If you've ever ventured to North or South Blvds and appreciated the live oak parks down the center, then you'd realize what's at stake. The Ashby Tower will literally rise over South Blvd.'s most historic homes. There's so little left to preserve in Houston, but to me, potentially ripping the fabric of one of the city's healthiest street car suburban neighborhoods, isn't worth the risk.

I live just north of these neighborhoods, right across the freeway, and use Bissonnet daily to commute to work. I generally disagree with most of what you are saying.

The footprint of this building is the same as the old apartments it's replacing, but it's height and scale is where the controversy is. However, Bissonnet is a very tree lined, in fact, I would argue that this building won't be too noticeable from the street. Furthermore, Bissonnet has been becoming more crowded due to increase in popultion and the growing Medical Center, that this with just be a drop in the bucket. As far as deed restrictions go, obviously this building doesn't fall under its control.

Yes, I wish this was on Bissonnet in the Museum District or north on Richmond along the future light rail. However, I don't view this building as ripping any sort of fabric. In fact, I welcome a little bit of more retail (if that is in fact still being included).

[TexasPlaya]

Originally Posted by JManc

welcome to houston. there is a tallish residential building going up in the galleria (bigger than ashby) that is in a very cramped spot next door to a walgreens whose only access is a small side street linking westheimer to yorktown. now, the traffic there will be a total nightmare but since we live in a city with no zoning, this is what happens. why should the people near ashby get special treatment? because they're wealthy?

That building isn't going to make much of dent in the traffic at Westheimer @ Sage... Plus why isn't this a good location? It's does face a small side street, but it also faces Sage St. (a relatively large thoroughfare) and is literally next to Westheimer. I wish the building was bigger and could have taken up the Walgreen's space as well.