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if Ford killed Transit City the city council probably couldn't go wrong by doing the opposite of whatever he wants:

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Council approves LRT for Sheppard Avenue
03/22/2012 | Erin Criger and Shawne McKeown, CityNews.ca

The final piece of Toronto’s transit puzzle appeared to fall into place Thursday as council approved light-rail transit for Sheppard Avenue East.

The motion passed 24-19 after two days of often heated discussion.

“This debate, I assure you, is not over, no matter which way the vote goes...this will be a big election issue,” Mayor Rob Ford said as the debate drew to a close.



After voicing his frustration about the business community not being brought into the transit debate, the mayor’s brother, Coun. Doug Ford, lost his temper. After stating that “it’s disgusting the way we’re all acting in here,” he attacked fellow Etobicoke councillor Gloria Lindsay Luby, who supports LRT, and questioned her credibility as someone “who only won with 200 votes and barely scraped by.”

He later called his fellow councillors “monkeys,” and then was asked to apologize.

Coun. Kristyn Wong-Tam chastised Mayor Ford for “flippantly” cancelling the fully-funded Transit City after construction had already begun and incurring at least $65 million in fees.

She also suggested it’s irresponsible to suggest a plan that costs more than the LRT and does not cover as much ground — and also to cite the subway extension’s estimated cost within a $1-billion-plus range.

“We cannot continue to follow a man with no plan,” she said.

“The mayor had the ball in his hand and he has fumbled. There is simply too much on the line.”
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TTC chief: Subway expansion for downtown relief line has to be discussed ‘right now’


http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...f-andy-byford/

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TTC’s new boss is urging elected leaders to turn their attention to a downtown relief line that takes the pressure off the packed Yonge-University-Spadina subway. The Toronto Transit Commission is coping as it can with ballooning ridership, rolling out new trains that carry more people and changing its signalling system to help the subway run more smoothly, said Andy Byford, the recently appointed chief executive officer. But there are limits.

- With the Yonge line and much of the GO network expected to be at peak capacity by 2031, Metrolinx officials said in November a downtown relief line could be moved up the priority list. One shortlisted option, either a subway or light rail, could run from Exhibition Place to an eastern stop of the Bloor-Danforth line. Beaches-East York councillor Mary-Margaret McMahon, who rides the subway every day to work, says a downtown relief line should be the next transit priority for Toronto.

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Toronto may not be down on its luck afterall. While I don't like LRT, the truth is that Sheppard isn't going to be Queen St even if it fills up with condos back-to-back from Yonge to Morningside.

If it has to be LRT, so be it, but once these more suburban projects are completed along Eglinton and Sheppard, if a DRL is fully funded and built in the forseeable future (and in a post-Ford Toronto) then Toronto's transit face will have been given a significant facelift. Eglinton having light rail, with a significant portion underground, Sheppard Light Rail, and a downtown subway relief line would serve Toronto's growth into my old age.
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Here is an updated map of frequent service bus routes in the outer suburbs of Toronto during rush hour periods.

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?msid=2...3b761e21&msa=0

Red = a bus route which has service every 10 minutes or less.
Blue = a bus route which has service every 15 minutes or less.

Mississauga may be missing a route or two, as I have to go through all their routings yet, as they have the most confusing route structure.
But overall it shows who the leader is, and that is Brampton.
Oakville did not make the cut, as their rush hour service is every 20 minutes.
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TTC chief: Subway expansion for downtown relief line has to be discussed ‘right now’


http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...f-andy-byford/

This is where we need subways, in the core like most other cities. Congrats to Scarborough and Etobicoke btw for getting an excellent LRT and most of Transit City back up and running. It's finally good to see a future for the TTC in this city.
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Toronto may not be down on its luck afterall. While I don't like LRT, the truth is that Sheppard isn't going to be Queen St even if it fills up with condos back-to-back from Yonge to Morningside.

If it has to be LRT, so be it, but once these more suburban projects are completed along Eglinton and Sheppard, if a DRL is fully funded and built in the forseeable future (and in a post-Ford Toronto) then Toronto's transit face will have been given a significant facelift. Eglinton having light rail, with a significant portion underground, Sheppard Light Rail, and a downtown subway relief line would serve Toronto's growth into my old age.
You get it, and you don't even live in Toronto. You could teach a few forumers a thing or two.
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Here is an updated map of frequent service bus routes in the outer suburbs of Toronto during rush hour periods.

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?msid=2...3b761e21&msa=0

Red = a bus route which has service every 10 minutes or less.
Blue = a bus route which has service every 15 minutes or less.

Mississauga may be missing a route or two, as I have to go through all their routings yet, as they have the most confusing route structure.
But overall it shows who the leader is, and that is Brampton.
Oakville did not make the cut, as their rush hour service is every 20 minutes.
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- The Toronto-Mississauga border east of the Etobicoke Creek runs along Eglinton Avenue, not the 401!
- 401 Simcoe runs every 15 minutes for the entirety of the route, and 7.5 minutes between UOIT and Downtown Oshawa
- Can you recheck GO's 46/47 overlaps?
- GO Train service would also be a nice addition.

Brampton:
- Main Street between 407 and Sandalwood should be red.
- 53/54 is basically one route. Combined frequency is 10 minutes.
- 32/33 is also basically route too. Combined frequency is 15 minutes.

PLUS!!!

You're missing LOTS within Mississauga, such as:

Colour changes:
- Bloor should be red (5.5 to 9 minute service)

Independent routes:
- 11/11A/11B Westwood: 11 minutes
- 22 Finch: 13 minutes
- 36 Colonial: 13 minutes
- 51/51A Tomken: 12 minutes
- 61/61A Mavis: 13 minutes
- 66 McLaughlin: 13 minutes
- 110 University: 7.5 minutes

Route Branches:
- 19A Hurontario runs every 15 minutes
- 19B Hurontario runs every 15 minutes too

Two-to-three-route overlaps:
- 109 Meadowvale Express and 45/45A Winston Churchill north of Erin Centre Drive (since 45/45A runs every 16 minutes, any route that overlaps with it will qualify to your definition)
- Oakville Transit route 24 South Common and 45/45A Winston Churchill between Burnhamthorpe and Upper Middle Road (since 45/45A runs every 16 minutes, any route that overlaps with it will qualify to your definition)
- 15 Drew and 42 Derry between Dixie Road and Hurontario Street (since 42 runs every 16 minutes, any route that overlaps with it will qualify to your definition)
- 42 Derry and 82 Financial through the entire Financial District of Mississauga (since 42 runs every 16 minutes, any route that overlaps with it will qualify to your definition)
- TTC route 58B Malton and 7 Airport between Westwood Mall and Carlingview Drive (Service for TTC routes 58, 58B, 58C and 58D are controlled by Mississauga Transit. So basically, all 58's branches, other than 58A, are MiWay routes but using TTC vehicles.)
- 7 Airport and 107 Malton Exp between Dixon and Carlingview and Skymark and Commerce
- 89 Meadowvale and 38 Creditview between Britannia and Eglinton
- 9 Meadowvale and 38 Creditview between Eglinton and Rathburn
- 9 Meadowvale and 48 Erin Mills between Vista Drive and Windwood Drive
- 49A McDowell and 41A Thomas between Winston Churchill and Streetsville GO Station (+ 67 Streetsville east of Erin Mills Parkway)
- 9 Meadowvale and 44 Mississauga Road between Thomas Street and Eglinton Avenue
- 90 Terragar and 39 Britannia (Derry Road between Lisgar Drive and Winston Churchill)
- 70 Keaton and 82 Financial along Highway 401 between 427 and Hurontario

Multiple route overlaps:
- Rathburn Road between Square One and Tomken Road (107 Malton Exp, 109 Meadowvale Exp, 18 Explorer and 20 Rathburn)
- Britannia Road between Grossbeak Drive and Terry Fox Way (10 Bristol, 27/89 Matheson/Meadowvale, 38 Creditview and 39 Britannia)
- Matheson Blvd between McLaughlin and Kennedy (27 overlaps with 70 west of Hurontario and with 25 east of Hurotnario)
- Matheson Boulevard between Creekbank Rd and Eglinton Avenue (27 overlaps with 107, 50 and more)
- Aquitaine Avenue between Winston Churchill and Meadowvale GO Station (lots of routes overlap there)
- Erin Centre Blvd. between Erin Mills Parkway and Winston Churchill (around EMTC)

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A report about the extension of the Yonge line to Richmond Hill



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I suggest changing the name of cummer station to dewry station. that name sounds a bit.. sexual.
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I suggest changing the name of cummer station to dewry station. that name sounds a bit.. sexual.
Didn't it used to be Old Cummer? An even worse name.
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Something Ford and LRT haters would hate to have happen. It would even kill there "An LRT is a streetcar" argument.


City councillor wants third party to determine if controversial St. Clair project was a waste of money

The reason why I love this idea is it will show all of those who say the St Clair project went over budget. It did not, the city added on more work that needed to be done anyway.

The National Post March 30 2012
- Tired of Mayor Rob Ford and his brother slagging the St. Clair Right-of-Way, a city councillor wants the TTC to hire an outside consultant to determine, once and for all, if the controversial project was a waste of money.

Councillor Joe Mihevc, a strong proponent of the line that courses through his ward, says there is a lot of misinformation floating around about a project that climbed from an initial $48-million, to over $100-million after hydro and water main work was tacked on.

The Toronto Transit Commission has asked staff to report back in May on how much the review might cost before it decides.

Mayor Ford often uses the 6.8-kilometre project as Exhibit A in his case for subways, decrying cost overruns and snarled traffic on the midtown corridor.

“You don’t have to have a study of St. Clair … it’s a complete disaster,” the Mayor told reporters on Friday when advised of Mr. Mihevc’s request.

“Just go up there and drive. People know it’s a nightmare.” Councillor Doug Ford called the project a “screw-up” and blasted the councillor for wanted to spend more money on it.

That’s not what the St. Paul’s councillor sees at all. Riders are flocking to the line, new businesses are opening up, and development applications are in, says Mr. Mihevc.

Full story -http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...aste-of-money/
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Didn't it used to be Old Cummer? An even worse name.
That's a current GO station name.
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then that needs to be changed ASAP. as well as the street name for that matter.
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then that needs to be changed ASAP. as well as the street name for that matter.
I agree. Drewry should be the name of that particular station. If they are to change Cummer as the actual street name, then I would like it to call it McNicoll, since it already exists anyway.

"The next station is... McNicoll... McNicoll Station." or "The next station is... Drewry... Drewry Station." sounds WAYYY better than...

"The next station is... Cummer... Cummer Station." I mean, I really can't bear hearing someone saying like.. "I'm going to Cummer"... just like someone says I'm going to Union or something like that.
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Toronto transit: ‘Downtown’ relief line could be the subway suburbanites crave


Apr 08 2012

By Tess Kalinowski

Read More: http://www.thestar.com/news/transpor...rbanites-crave

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Crowding is already so bad at the south end of Yonge St. that new TTC chief Andy Byford immediately identified a DRL as a priority. There is a chorus of experts who suggest that Mayor Rob Ford has been crusading for the wrong subway on Sheppard Ave. E.; that he could better serve suburban constituents by focusing on a downtown relief line. “We’ve got to turn our attention back to the core, where the density is,” insists Toronto transportation planning guru Ed Levy.

- “The downtown is starving, and it is being served by the oldest, most constricted stations in the city,” he said. But downtowners can walk or use streetcars. The pain at the bottom of Yonge St. is as much a suburban commuter’s problem as a condo dweller’s. It becomes “ludicrous,” said Levy, when you factor in the ambitions of York Region to extend the subway up to Richmond Hill, where new riders would only add to the crowds cramming platforms down the line at Dundas and Queen. The Yonge line has been at capacity for more than a decade, and it’s only because development patterns have changed that it continues to limp along, said Bill Dawson, the TTC’s director of routes and service planning.

- “A couple of things have kept a lid on this issue. GO has absorbed a lot of the ridership into downtown over those 15 years. The other big factor is condos downtown. Residential downtown has . . . a higher proportion of people working downtown that don’t have to take the subway,” he said. Metrolinx’s 25-year regional transit plan includes a downtown relief line in the years beyond the plan itself. But in November, it was looking at a DRL as part of a solution to the looming capacity crisis at Union Station. Although Metrolinx officials refused to be interviewed last week, their earlier report includes a scenario in which a DRL runs southwest from Danforth Ave. past Union Station, terminating at a secondary station around Exhibition Place.

- “It should go up into Scarborough, it should go up into Etobicoke. It’s a way for people from Scarborough and Etobicoke to get downtown without having to traipse all the way over to Yonge St.,” he said. It could also serve, said Miller, as “a spine that you build the Scarborough transit system around.” Transit blogger Steve Munro agrees that a DRL “has a function in its own right. It’s not just there to give you a way to get around Bloor and Yonge.” Running the DRL farther northeast allows it to pick up commuters from two important neighbourhoods, Thorncliffe Park and Flemingdon Park. Munro puts the cost at more than $4 billion — in the range certainly of the projected Sheppard subway price tag. The density of the downtown mandates an underground transit line, and the stations would have to be deep.

The road to relief:

GO integration. The TTC and Metrolinx are looking at how some TTC riders could migrate to GO. But the pricing would have to be more attractive to city riders, who have traditionally been penalized by GO’s fare system, says blogger Steve Munro. He also notes that GO trains are so popular with regional commuters, they’re usually stuffed with people by the time they get close to downtown.

Name change. Calling it a “downtown” relief line is misleading, says U of T's Eric Miller, because the largest benefits could accrue to suburbanites. The word “relief” suggests the transit line is an add-on to the rest of the system, when it should be an important link in the network in its own right, says Munro.

Funding. A DRL is a priority, but without a revenue source, Toronto can’t realistically think about construction, said TTC chair Karen Stintz, who floated the idea of putting transit on a referendum tied to the next municipal election. There’s a growing belief that the best way to fund transit is a regional sales tax, Stintz said. She fears that unless some way is found to divorce transit expansion from election cycles, the city could be stuck.

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Exploring rapid transit expansion under I-METRO-E-


April 10, 2012

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City Council request the City Manager report to Council on the feasibility of supporting and development of the I-METRO-E line and the possibility that it could operate as an effective relief line for those traveling from the east and north east to get to the downtown core.

- There is a proposal at Markham City Council for a Markham East Toronto Rail Ontario-Express (I-METRO-E) rail line to enable more frequent headways, and more frequent transit stops along the north-south rapid transit corridor between Stouffville and Union Station. This north-south corridor would also interconnect with a number of existing and planned east-west rapid transit corridors, including VIVA bus rapid transit, 407 Rail Transitway, Steeles BRT/LRT, Finch BRT/LRT, Sheppard, Eglinton - Crosstown, and Bloor-Danforth Subways, and Lakeshore East GO. With the addition of more stops, this proposal might function as a relief line for those traveling from the east and north east and may prove to be more cost effective.

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Didn't it used to be Old Cummer? An even worse name.
Old Cummer is the name of a GO station in North York; it's about a 5 minute walk from where I grew up. There's actually a little bit of interesting history behind the placement of the station, considering the modern Cummer Avenue is situated well to the north:

http://cityinthetrees.blogspot.ca/20...-doorstep.html

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then that needs to be changed ASAP. as well as the street name for that matter.
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I agree. Drewry should be the name of that particular station. If they are to change Cummer as the actual street name, then I would like it to call it McNicoll, since it already exists anyway.

"The next station is... McNicoll... McNicoll Station." or "The next station is... Drewry... Drewry Station." sounds WAYYY better than...

"The next station is... Cummer... Cummer Station." I mean, I really can't bear hearing someone saying like.. "I'm going to Cummer"... just like someone says I'm going to Union or something like that.
The street was named for a German Farmer named Joseph Kummer, who first settled the area in the early 1800s. He was a hard-working pioneer and I think it would be extremely disrespectful to erase the only memory we have of him and his family. It would be the same as renaming Kennedy Road in order to give it a more "Canadian" name. I actually despise the name "McNicoll Avenue", because there's no real meaning behind it, it's just a Scottish-sounding street name chosen by a 1960s suburban developer... ironically, the sort of people you guys normally hate.

It amazes me that Canadians are so afraid of insulting immigrants' family names or so keen to keep nonsensical Native placenames, and yet at the same time stand ready to dispose of other names that form a part of our history.

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For people who think the Sheppard subway is under used, here is an interesting stat out of Bari, Italy.

In Bari, the city is excited because their first underground/elevated, fully grade separated metropolitan rail line, which is about 11 km long and operates through more densely populated areas than the Sheppard subway does, is carrying about 4,000 riders a day.

Sheppard: 6.5 km, about 49,000 riders a day.
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For people who think the Sheppard subway is under used, here is an interesting stat out of Bari, Italy.

In Bari, the city is excited because their first underground/elevated, fully grade separated metropolitan rail line, which is about 11 km long and operates through more densely populated areas than the Sheppard subway does, is carrying about 4,000 riders a day.

Sheppard: 6.5 km, about 49,000 riders a day.
4,000 for a subway line is pathetic...that is less than many BUS routes...
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