Sacramento - New Arena Plan - Page 141

BrianSac · #**2801** Posted **Mar 31, 2012, 10:39 PM**

It's will be a bumpy ride for the next 3 years. We can count on the obstructionists to exploit any rough patches, create doubt, and sabotage any efforts thus far until the day the doors are open to the public.

Like I've said before, if the Maloofs sell to a solvent owner willing to keep them here that is the best solution. Along with the NBA's backing and AEG's support, we can be hopeful until milestones are reached.

For every negative story written about the project there needs to be a positive story. This is all fodder for the local media and our leftist rags.

We are going to the game tonight. It's possible that this could be the last major league sports event I see in Sacramento ever again.

wburg · #**2802** Posted **Mar 31, 2012, 11:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by NME22

Apparently the contention is over pre-development costs, not the construction costs. Maloofs don't want to be on the hook for money when the deal isn't signed yet.

They're the ones who haven't signed it!

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Originally Posted by BrianSac

This is all fodder for the local media and our leftist rags.

So, it's the conservatives who are supporting a quarter-billion in debt and massive public expenditure?

ozone · #**2803** Posted **Apr 1, 2012, 3:38 AM**

Leftist rags? Not sure which ones you are talking about. Hasn't the Bee been pretty much in support of the arena? I wouldn't call the Bee a leftist rag. It's a fairly middle-of-the-road newspaper- which means that to the conservative it seems liberal and to the liberal it seems conservative. The SNR is the only "leftist" paper and it doesn't have any real influence because it only preaches to the choir.

George Maloof says its not a money issue with them? WTF then is the hold up? I think we know what it is.

for $$$$$

Web · #**2804** Posted **Apr 1, 2012, 5:33 AM**

yeah why all the hub bub over this small portion of the money.......hes paying john salmons more than that. this tells me the 73 million is all smoke not cold cash.

BrianSac · #**2805** Posted **Apr 1, 2012, 4:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by ozone

Leftist rags? Not sure which ones you are talking about.

Leftist rags = snooze & review and nymby throwaways (east sac news, etc.)

Local media = televison news, sacbee

snfenoc · #**2806** Posted **Apr 1, 2012, 7:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by wburg

They're the ones who haven't signed it!

So, it's the conservatives who are supporting a quarter-billion in debt and massive public expenditure?

I suppose it's better than spending 100 billion on a choo choo

ozone · #**2807** Posted **Apr 2, 2012, 7:13 AM**

Fruitless debate.

kryptos · #**2808** Posted **Apr 2, 2012, 2:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by snfenoc

I suppose it's better than spending 100 billion on a choo choo

since you bring it up, if you or anyone is against the 100 billion dollar train to nowhere, you can go here and print out the form, sign the declaration of circulator and put your self, friends, family, neighbors or anyone else who doesnt think that we should be spending $100,000,000,000 on a train while public safety is cut, the inmates are being released by the thousands, admissions are suspended until 2014 on all CSU campuses affecting thousands of students, state parks are being closed and the list goes on....

go here and lets bring this to a vote
http://notrainplease.com/download-signature-form-here/

wburg · #**2809** Posted **Apr 2, 2012, 7:38 PM**

Now it all makes sense! The location of the arena in between the train station and the tracks...simultaneous efforts in Fresno, Stockton, the South Bay and Los Angeles...all these arenas are just an effort to block high-speed rail!

Either that, or just an effort to distract everyone from the fact that George Maloof just called Kevin Johnson a liar.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ena/index.html

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SI.com: The Sacramento Bee had published a copy of the non-binding term sheet and it certainly seemed as if the family had agreed to pay that portion of the pre-development fees. What am I missing here? It certainly seemed as if this was something was agreed on before.

Maloof: Absolutely not, and everybody knows it. And like I've told everybody today, if anybody says otherwise, then they're lying. From day one, that was an issue that we had. And there are other issues.

...

I know the mayor said we all looked at each other in the eye and said, 'This is the deal,' but in reality we said that we have the framework of the deal and we have a lot of work to go.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1quiSrHwS

ozone · #**2810** Posted **Apr 3, 2012, 4:06 PM**

I am sick of this sadomasochism. It's humiliating. I don't think the Maloofs are a well off as they would like everyone to believe and if they move to Anaheim they would partner with someone with deeper pockets and have a more lucrative TV contract. George's ego just can't stand it. On top of all this his team is located in the "Cleveland of the California". Save us and him the embarrassment and let them go already. In an interview on Friday someone from the Maloofs told the LA Times or OCR (not such which) that they were not happy with the deal and were still keeping Anaheim open as an option. Read that to mean - "We still plan on moving to Anaheim -when we can."

Unless......

From the Sacramento Bee this morning:

"Is it time for the mayor to reconnect with Ron Burkle, the billionaire who said he'd be willing to buy the team if the Maloofs want out?

The mayor continues to say he is trying to make a deal work now with the Maloofs, who have repeatedly said they are not interested in selling.".

.....but not very likely.

wburg · #**2811** Posted **Apr 4, 2012, 3:49 AM**

Agreed--not only did George Maloof directly accuse the mayor of lying about the term sheet, the Maloofs' attorneys sent a letter to the city that picks apart the entire deal--it reads like a list of anti-arena talking points.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87862561/L...gberg-04-02-12

The Maloofs think the city's EIR timetable is too short, they are concerned that the Railyards EIR is still under legal threat, they don't think the project is eligible for the AB 900 exemption from CEQA, they think the city is low-balling concerns about increased traffic and needed improvements to roadways, they city is underestimating other outside agency approvals, and they even have problems with the city's financing, calling them ambiguous --"What is clear, is that the city has yet to solidify a financing plan." And at the end, they point out that they have other concerns, but didn't have time to list them all before they sent the letter.

Keep in mind this isn't a letter from an opponent of the arena--but from the folks who are supposed to be the primary beneficiaries of the project!

I suppose the only way they could top it would be to show up at the next City Council meeting in leather bodysuits carrying whips, demanding that Kevin Johnson and the entire City Council subject themselves to public flogging and then eat dog food off the Council dais before they'll agree to the city's terms.

In the meantime, the city agreed to spend the $200,000 the NBA is apparently going to provide starting the environmental review process, and we'll see how many other ways the Maloofs can humiliate Sacramento's city government and elected officials in the next two weeks.

NME22 · #**2812** Posted **Apr 4, 2012, 4:07 AM**

Looks like the Maloofs are trying to back out as if they never had any intentions of trying to stay here in the first place. Kinda shady.....

City is at least sticking up for itself. Johnson called them out.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/city-beat/20...e-maloofs.html

"Hours before the City Council is expected to approve the start of crucial pre-development work on the $391 million arena, the mayor accused the Maloofs of "tactics and antics that are not becoming of a true partnership."

"We as a city can't be jerked around," he said. "We can't keep having this issue flare up."

Darrell Steinberg called them out on the EIP issue too. Can't find the link right now.

Get your popcorn and pull up a chair.

BrianSac · #**2813** Posted **Apr 4, 2012, 5:21 AM**

Saturday's game was sort of depressing. The arena was half-full. The place is falling apart. Holes in the ceiling, patch jobs here and there, broken seats. Burned out lights, patches of darkness throughout the building. Half the fans were texting. Although most of the arena workers were very professional and friendly.

CAGeoNerd · #**2814** Posted **Apr 4, 2012, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by kryptos

since you bring it up, if you or anyone is against the 100 billion dollar train to nowhere, you can go here and print out the form,...

It's not a train to nowhere, it's a train through nowhere. Big difference. San Francisco, Silicon Valley, Los Angeles... these are definitely places and destinations. Bakersfield? Merced? Not so much.

I support high speed rail, even at it's high cost (which has been projected much lower now). It connects Europe and China and Japan, but we can't do the same here in California? Baloney. It's an investment in the future of our state, just like the highway system and water projects. "Haters gonna hate."

wburg · #**2815** Posted **Apr 5, 2012, 4:08 AM**

Looks like the arena is on the train to nowhere...

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NBA Commissioner David Stern cast a somewhat cautious tone today when discussing Sacramento's arena situation with reporters in Salt Lake City.

According to a report by The Salt Lake Tribune, Stern said he was "more hopeful than I am confident right now" on Sacramento's arena effort. He also made it clear how important next week is to that effort, when the league's owners will meet in New York.

"We'll be having the Maloofs in to talk with some group of them and we'll see where it's going," he said. "Very, very hopeful that it gets on track, because the owners have a respect for the Maloofs. And I think the owners also have an enormous respect for what Sacramento has done over the years in supporting an NBA franchise. And it's always been our first preference -- particularly when government agencies or states are helpful -- to keep a team where a team is if they're playing in a good facility."

The Maloofs and the city are in an ongoing dispute over who should pay for crucial pre-development costs for the arena.

Stern also lauded efforts by the City Council to move forward with a public contribution to the project

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/city-beat/20...#storylink=cpy

Maybe he misinterpreted what happened Tuesday--not a penny of additional city contribution was authorized at this last meeting, they just agreed to spend $200,000 of the NBA's money. And it's clear from the letter sent by the Maloofs' attorneys that the issue is not just the predevelopment cost, but pretty much every aspect of the project, from environmental review to expected attendance.

NikeFutbolero · #**2816** Posted **Apr 5, 2012, 10:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by wburg

Looks like the arena is on the train to nowhere...

Maybe he misinterpreted what happened Tuesday--not a penny of additional city contribution was authorized at this last meeting, they just agreed to spend $200,000 of the NBA's money. And it's clear from the letter sent by the Maloofs' attorneys that the issue is not just the predevelopment cost, but pretty much every aspect of the project, from environmental review to expected attendance.

Sacramento spent some of it's own money, I read it was profits from the Sheraton project or something along those lines..

wburg · #**2817** Posted **Apr 5, 2012, 2:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by NikeFutbolero

Sacramento spent some of it's own money, I read it was profits from the Sheraton project or something along those lines..

The MOPA funds for the sale of the Sheraton, recently set aside for the 800 K Street project, could be used for most of the city's $6 million chunk of the costs, but that won't be spent until there is a signed agreement with all parties. If there is no agreement in two weeks when the NBA's $200,000 is spent, the arena deal, well, that will be an uncomfortable City Council meeting.

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Stern helped keep the arena project moving last week by forwarding $200,000 from the NBA to begin pre-development work on the arena. City officials used that money to hire consultants for site planning and environmental studies. The consultants toured the railyard site of the proposed arena Wednesday.

That money will last until April 17, city officials said. If there is no resolution of the funding dispute, they said they expect to stop planning work, which would put the whole project at risk.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/05/439...#storylink=cpy

wburg · #**2818** Posted **Apr 6, 2012, 3:01 PM**

So what spawned this development? Apparently the Maloofs' attorney made a Public Records Act request, asking for the various documents from the city of Sacramento:

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All communications between the NBA and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the areana.
All communications between AEG and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the areana.
All communications between AEG’s partners and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Inland American and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Goldman Sachs and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Bank of America and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Barrett Sports and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Walter Parking Consultants and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between ICON and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between David S. Taylor and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between ICON-Taylor and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between CIM and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Tayor/CIM and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Populous and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Turner Construction and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Darrell Steinberg and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Doris Matsui and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Department of Transportation and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Department of Transportation and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena and the highway system impacts around the site.
All communications between the Governors office of planning and research and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Sacramento County and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the State of California Native American Heritage Commission and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the High Speed Rail Authority and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Regional Water Quality Board and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Public Utilities Commission and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Department of Toxic Substance Control and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the City of West Sacramento and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the State Parks and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Air Quality Management District and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between Sacramento RT and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the California Natural Resources Agency and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Downtown Sacramento Partnership and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Downtown Sacramento Partnership’s Arena Workgroup and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Urban Land Institute and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Old Sacramento Business Association and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between the Midtown Business Association and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All communications between any Native American Tribe and the City of Sacramento between now and April 1, 2011 having to do with the arena.
All proposals from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the financing of the arena.
All proposals from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the construction of the arena.
All proposals from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the monetization of city-own parking lots to pay for the arena.
All proposals from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the construction of new parking lots for the arena.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding land use entitlements at the old arena site.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding future development at the old arena site.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the future sale of the old arena site.
All documents regarding the Sept 2011 arena technical review report.
All documents regarding the Sept 2011 arena notice of preparation of an environmental impact report.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the reuse of the old train depot site.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the environmental impact report for the old train depot site.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding needed infrastructural upgrades needed at the railyards site.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding the costs for those above mentioned upgrades.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now regarding funding for needed surrounding transportation upgrades around the arena site for normal operation.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now between the City of Sacramento and any federal or state agency regarding the funding for the above mentioned upgrades.
All documents from April 1, 2011 to now between the City of Sacramento and any federal agency regarding the need to review the arena against the National Environmental Policy Act.

Could it be that the city hasn't been entirely forthright with them?

kryptos · #**2819** Posted **Apr 6, 2012, 3:59 PM**

let them leave

ozone · #**2820** Posted **Apr 6, 2012, 5:56 PM**

wburg it sounds like you are defending the Maloofs and saying they are justified in their actions because the city was not honest with them nor the public.

While I believe the City is using approximate rather than fixed and exact numbers, the Maloofs have been neither candid nor sincere about their true intentions in this matter. If they really wanted to stay in Sacramento they would have found a way to do so long ago.

The Maloofs have made up their minds to move to Anaheim and are trying to but put the kibosh on any deal that keeps them here- but AEG/Lakers/Clippers and the NBA are all trying to stop them. IMO that's why their lawyers are sifting through the communication records trying to find something where they can say the City acted inappropriately therefore any and all deals off and they have a legit reason to leave.