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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 7:42 PM
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Crap, it looks like they got rid of the porches. Whats the word on this project anyways?

And our old friend finally came out of hiding

Issa pays creditors ahead of deadline
http://www.buffalonews.com/businesst...ry/544282.html
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2009, 4:25 AM
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^^ There that "visor" thingy at the top.
Does every modern build in Buffalo have to have it?

Nice design tho. Can't wait to get something in there. It will be a very drastic improvement to that intersection!

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Old Posted Jan 12, 2009, 2:18 PM
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I couldn't have said it any better than Buffalove and homestar did. Number one, bring back/expand the porches or patios or whatever you want to call them. Number two, what the hell is with the so aptly labeled visor thingy, this pheonomenon is not just infecting buffalo, its everywhere now. Its as if wal-mart has had a sale on these things, every architect thinks they're the coolest thing since the curtain wall.
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Old Posted Jan 12, 2009, 4:30 PM
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The KFC project has some hurdles remaining- it isn't a sure thing. The new plan is for office space and only a small residential component. They need pre-leasing in order to move forward and an issue with an easement to/from a neighborhing property needs to be resolved.
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2009, 5:31 PM
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The KFC project has some hurdles remaining- it isn't a sure thing. The new plan is for office space and only a small residential component. They need pre-leasing in order to move forward and an issue with an easement to/from a neighborhing property needs to be resolved.
I think Elmwood definitely needs more office space but that might be hard to find now. Renters in the EV are a sure thing. Regardless that KFC needs go to now
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2009, 11:25 PM
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An office building at this location is a no brainer. They will fill it with doctors who work at Children's.

Speaking of that. I wonder who is planning the future of the Millard Filmore area. Beside the very big hospital building there area a few mid to small sized office buildings on that stretch of Delaware that will likely go empty when the Hospital closes. I am sure they are filled with asbestos.
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An office building at this location is a no brainer. They will fill it with doctors who work at Children's.

Speaking of that. I wonder who is planning the future of the Millard Filmore area. Beside the very big hospital building there area a few mid to small sized office buildings on that stretch of Delaware that will likely go empty when the Hospital closes. I am sure they are filled with asbestos.
Solid points

Here is an interesting article from the buffalo news about the state of parking in downtown.
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregio...ry/548555.html

They make a good point about suburban office tenants not wanting to relocate to downtown because of parking. I would love to see a large parking garage built under lafayette square. I'm sure the owners of the rand, tishman, brisbane and many other buildings wouldn't object to throwing a few dollars towards the project.

in europe its hard to find an above ground parking garage in city centers. I cant understand why americans wont open up their wallets and make this investment. If the city financed the majority of the project they would bring in revenue for years to come.

these are my thoughts
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 2:39 PM
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It was very interesting and totally unexpected that these "consultants" hired by the city figured that we need more parking garages...I wonder why that was?

The exact google search results when you put in Desman Associates:

Parking Consultants - Desman AssociatesParking Consultants, Engineers and Architects specializing in Parking Garages and Consulting.
www.desman.com/ - 21k - Cached - Similar pages

Nice "study." How does a company like this even exist to study whether parking ramps are needed or not? Why not just hire them to design one when you want to build one and save the time and money of this "study." Sounds like a bullshit business if you ask me.
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Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 5:40 PM
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Solid points

Here is an interesting article from the buffalo news about the state of parking in downtown.
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregio...ry/548555.html

They make a good point about suburban office tenants not wanting to relocate to downtown because of parking. I would love to see a large parking garage built under lafayette square. I'm sure the owners of the rand, tishman, brisbane and many other buildings wouldn't object to throwing a few dollars towards the project.

in europe its hard to find an above ground parking garage in city centers. I cant understand why americans wont open up their wallets and make this investment. If the city financed the majority of the project they would bring in revenue for years to come.

these are my thoughts

Europeans value their cities and treat them with great care. Americans revile their cities and don't care how they are treated.
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2009, 2:02 AM
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Quite the laundry list of pork, errrr, public projects proposed for the latest stimulus package by Brown and Collins. Mostly road work. :ohno: Glad to see some brownfield work to prepare sites for future use.

A few interesting ones:

Center for transportation excellence campus expansion: brownfield clean up, site preparation and program expansion of 'social entrepreneur' model job training facility in the urban core. ($2 mil requested)

Erie Street realignment & reconstruction ($4.2 mil)

Construction of a floatables control facility ($15 mil)

Willert Park Village Phase 4 - Infill Hsg ($3.75 mil)

Phase 1 - 5 in 5 Demo Program ($19.95 mil)

Buffalo historic structure stabilization and redevelopment: 10 most endangered building stabilization and market gap renovation. ($12 mil)

Multi-modal transportation structure: campus and downtown metro connection ($25 mil)

Buffalo State College/PublicSchools Stadium ($30 mil)

Car share Main St. – 100 to 500 blocks ($108 mil )

Downtown Student housing ($4mil)

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/552810.html
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2009, 2:16 PM
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^^^Meh...St. Louis managed to propose 2 light rail lines with stimulus money--not much imagination in the Brown administration. Don Esmonde was right on the other day--new faces, same old crap policies. Go big or not at all in the new age of pork barrel spending...
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Submitted 3 Grain elevators:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=163856

They added "silo" as a Structure Type!

Does anyone have a height figure for the Buffalo Creek Casino that apparently is back on now? I tryed calling and asking and also emailing the design firm- I didnt get too far!
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2009, 10:35 PM
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Buffalo Creek Casino

The current design calls for 22 stories. I don't know the height in feet/meters though
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2009, 5:50 PM
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I would expect that this will be on BRO soon enough but here it is.

We're half way there, now all we need to do is get the Ciminelli project approved and we're in business. Also, I consider this a significant change/victory in the fight against business as usual in city government. I know its a small victory but it's a victory none the less in a severely flawed system. Oh and if "ties are broken between Byron's administration and the city council" to get things done then oh well, still glad the right thing was done in this case.

Updated: 01/23/09 11:25 AM

Pitts’ plan for waterfront hotel is ‘dead’
Majority of Councilwill block proposal


By Brian Meyer
NEWS STAFF REPORTER
A controversial plan to build a hotel on prime waterfront property is “dead,” and city planners should go back to the drawing board, the Common Council’s ruling majority announced today.

Five of the city's nine Council members called on the Buffalo Urban Renewal Agency to rescind its support for a plan to build a Wingate Inn on the downtown waterfront. A news conference was held in Waterfront Village, where two of the lawmakers were joined by some residents who live near the development site.

At least five Council votes would be needed to approve the site’s pending sale by the Buffalo Urban Renewal Agency to developers.

“It’s clear now that the Common Council has the votes to stop the process,” said South Council Member Michael P. Kearns, chairman of the Waterfront Committee. “The project is a bad bargain for the city, and the Council is taking the leadership to say ‘stop.’ ”

But one of the project’s developers claims opposition to his hotel plan is being used by Kearns to propel his possible candidacy for mayor. James W. Pitts, a former Council president, also claims his $10 million proposal is caught in a “political maelstrom” caused by deteriorating relations between the mayor and the Council’s majority.

Pitts said the plan advanced by Specialty Restaurants Corp. and J.W. Pitts Properties has been a victim of unfair ridicule and even “libel.” He disputed claims that the project, planned on a site next to Shanghai Red’s restaurant, would be a “suburban style” hotel unsuitable for the waterfront. The schematic he presented to city officials was merely a prototype, Pitts insisted, adding that a New York City architect is already working on a redesign.

“How can you call a hotel horrific and it ain’t even open yet,” an infuriated Pitts asked The Buffalo News’ Editorial Board during a fiery hourlong discussion Monday.

“It’s going to be a well-designed and well-run place,” Pitts continued.

But a majority of lawmakers said even a significant redesign of the plan doesn’t address their key concern. Council members insist the project was selected by using a “fatally flawed” process that embraced outdated code restrictions.

They also complain that the city is proceeding to develop a valuable piece of waterfront land without making it part of a larger, more comprehensive plan. Kearns underscored the importance of looking at every shoreline initiative in the context of development that’s occurring at the Erie Canal Harbor and subjecting each project to new and more progressive codes.

“We’re trying to develop this parcel in a vacuum,” said Kearns. “We can’t have disjointed decisions being made — decisions that will affect our waterfront for generations.”

Council Majority Leader Richard A. Fontana and Council President David A. Franczyk said they don’t think the Wingate Inn project would do enough to attract tourists and other visitors to the shoreline. They said they don’t fault the developers, who complied with what they said might be considered antiquated city building restrictions.

In a 5-3 vote, the Urban Renewal Agency backed the plan over a competing proposal for a $37 million complex consisting of a 10-story hotel plus office and retail space. The larger proposal presented by Ciminelli Development Co. and businessman Mark E. Hamister was rejected because it failed to meet height and density restrictions.

Some waterfront residents who attended today's news conference criticized the city's planning process. Frank Lysiak, a member of the Waterfront Village Advisory Council, said citizen representatives of his group reviewed both development plans.

"It was unanimous that the Ciminelli project was the preferred project. We did pick it, and that one wasn't even looked at," Lysiak said.

Andrew Graham, a resident of Harbor Pointe on the waterfront, criticized a process that focuses on "top-down planning" where residents' concerns are unheeded.

"That doesn't work," said Graham.

Franczyk, Kearns and Delaware Council Member Michael J. LoCurto … all Urban Renewal Agency members … voted against the Wingate plan. Kearns said Niagara Council Member David A. Rivera joined the other four lawmakers … including Fontana … in signing a letter that calls on the city to go back to the drawing board and review its codes.

A sixth lawmaker, North Council Member Joseph Golombek Jr., said Thursday he also had serious reservations about the Wingate Inn project. But Golombek said he’s willing to wait until Pitts submits a redesigned plan before making a final decision.

Franczyk said he wants to appoint an advisory panel made up of preservationists, architects and other community leaders to help the city review future development on waterfront parcels.

bmeyer@buffnews.com

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Old Posted Jan 24, 2009, 2:29 PM
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This is the best news of the new year. Byron Brown needs to realize that he was fighting for a garbage dump of a project. It's a little shocking what he did in his efforts for political patronage.
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This is the best news of the new year. Byron Brown needs to realize that he was fighting for a garbage dump of a project. It's a little shocking what he did in his efforts for political patronage.
Dam right its the best news. Im suprised Pitts didn't try pulling the race card out his a@@. Well Im glad he didnt. Im Black, know Pitts, and I know and he knows this project was Bull Shit from the git go. Lets get a real project on the waterfront.
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Dam right its the best news. Im suprised Pitts didn't try pulling the race card out his a@@. Well Im glad he didnt. Im Black, know Pitts, and I know and he knows this project was Bull Shit from the git go. Lets get a real project on the waterfront.
And Brown still won't quit and pull the plug on the proposal. Why allow Pitts to redesign the project? Ciminelli ought to sue the City. Scrap it and start over. By the time they select someone, the economy should be back on track.

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And Brown still won't quit and pull the plug on the proposal. Why allow Pitts to redesign the project? Ciminelli ought to sue the City. Scrap it and start over. By the time they select someone, the economy should be back on track.

Hell, I was hopeing he (Brown)was sent to the U S Senete, but that would have probably made Pitts Mayor. LOL
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2009, 6:47 AM
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Brown was never a serious contender. All the WNY options were to make WNY feel like it matters.
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The federal courthouse is looking rather (pre)fab... from the 22rd:



It looks like it'll be covered with metal panels...? If not, this thing will end up looking nothing like how it was advertised.



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