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Wow, what crappy news all around! Harrisburg is not alone, though, and it's def. a sign of the times.

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-It is rumored among some of the locals in the building management community that Wetzler has pulled out of WCI properties and that the Aloft hotel has been permanently canceled. I hope that this isn’t true. There has yet to be an official story either way and tighter credit qualifications might scuttle the project anyhow.
I would declare this project officially dead and I don't see this happening, not in an economy like this and in a town like HBG, sorry.

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The proposed rents for the apartments 405sf to 720sf apartments would be in the range of $875 to $1200 and would be fully furnished.
That's a little pricey in da 'burg, especially for the size of the units. I don't see this project going anywhere (especially if the parking issue is true) but who knows.

Thanks for bringing this thread back to life, Young Gun! I was starting to wonder LOL
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The Ronald Brown Charter School is at Green and Forster, yes? If so, they have been gutting that building for a few weeks now, that project looks like it's moving forward. There is a also a "Financed by" sign for some bank out in front.

In other news, the Vartan building at 6th and Reilly was approved...but no action on that front yet.
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The Ronald Brown Charter School is at Green and Forster, yes? If so, they have been gutting that building for a few weeks now, that project looks like it's moving forward. There is a also a "Financed by" sign for some bank out in front.

In other news, the Vartan building at 6th and Reilly was approved...but no action on that front yet.
Ronald Brown is on Greend and Forrester.

Vartan also bought the empty lot along front street that has in the past been proposed for a 10 story apartment building.
Isn't the GSA supposed to report soon on the court house, or is it waiting till after January?

Eastside, yeah there wasn't much to report going on. Things have slowed, but property values are holding, and unemployment hasn't really hit. Midtown continues a slow improvemtent but mostly on a small scale basis and not a systematic approach like pursued by Green Street Properties and WCI.

The Condo project at Tracey Manor has a contractors sign out front now so maybe things are moving forward with that as well. I would love to see that parking lot infilled. Maybe Frontstreet can eventually extend its street wall North.
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08313/926410-147.stm

New Harrisburg bus service a Capitol gain for Pittsburgh

Saturday, November 08, 2008
By Tom Barnes and Tracie Mauriello, Post-Gazette Harrisburg Bureau

HARRISBURG

The best slogan for business people, lawyers, legislators and others who have to travel from Pittsburgh to the state Capitol might be "you can't get there from here."

OK, that's a bit of an overstatement. But there is no air travel, now that US Airways has ended its flights. There is one daily Amtrak train, which pokes along, making many stops, and takes about six hours to make the trip. Greyhound offers bus routes that take four to six hours each way.

The vast majority of travelers must take the Pennsylvania Turnpike, about a four-hour drive, depending on traffic and construction.

"There used to be a number of flights to Harrisburg every day, but then flights became fewer and more expensive," said Chuck Kolling, a lobbyist with Pittsburgh-based Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney, who travels frequently between the two cities.

Contrast the Steel City situation with travel from Philadelphia to Harrisburg, where there are seven daily flights back and forth. Also, several daily Amtrak trains make a one-way trip in 90 minutes to two hours. And once you get to Philly, it's not hard to continue on the train to New York City.

Three entrepreneurs from Pittsburgh -- business partners Henry Posner III and Robert Pietrandrea and well-known bus company operator George DeBolt -- have come up with a new alternative for travel to and from Harrisburg.

The Steel City Flyer bus service, which kicks off Nov. 24, grew from their personal experiences trying to get to and from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg, Philly and New York. A one-way trip will cost $69.

"We came up with the idea because trying to get out of Pittsburgh to go anywhere is almost impossible,'' Mr. Pietrandrea said yesterday. "And anymore, flying from Pittsburgh to New York City is a crapshoot.''

He said the new bus will stop at the Harrisburg transportation center, where passengers can transfer to an Amtrak train for the ride to Philadelphia or on to the Big Apple.

One time, because of canceled flights and long airport delays, "it took me 25 hours to get [by plane] from Pittsburgh to Princeton, N.J. -- a distance of under 350 miles," said Mr. Posner, a partner with Mr. Pietrandrea in Railroad Development Corp. of Pittsburgh.

"In another case, I was in New York City when my flight home was proactively canceled eight hours in advance because the airline thought that the weather might be bad," he said. "My experience has suggested that there has to be a better way."

Working with Mr. DeBolt, they will lease two Daimler Mercedes-Benz luxury coaches for twice-daily, nonstop round trips from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg and back. The buses will be used until two custom-built luxury coaches are ready.

"This is a great idea -- it's the private sector at its best," said Rep. Mike Turzai, R-Bradford Woods, who drives to the Capitol.

Currently, train passengers who want to make a day trip from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg have one option. Boarding time is 7:20 a.m., and the train arrives in the capital at 12:45 p.m. The only train back departs less than two hours later, arriving in Pittsburgh at 8:05 p.m. The cost is $36 each way.

Philadelphia train travelers have more choices. They can choose from 10 weekday trains into Harrisburg and 10 back home. The cost is $23 each way.

Pittsburghers who prefer to travel by bus have several schedule options, but most are more costly than train service, and some routes take more than seven hours each way. Greyhound offers seven trips from Pittsburgh to Harrisburg and six return trips each day at costs ranging from $70 to $79 round-trip.

Jim Parks, executive director of the Pittsburgh-based Eckert Seamans law firm, is eager for the new bus service to start.

"We have an office in Harrisburg and travel has become a lot tougher without the flights,'' he said. "We have a number of people who work in both offices, attorneys, government relations people, marketing people, and it's a tedious drive. We think this bus service will be a good alternative to driving.''

Also interested is Barbara McNees, president of the Greater Pittsburgh Chamber of Commerce, who travels frequently between the two cities when the Legislature is in session.

"There are a lot of days I drive to Harrisburg and back to Pittsburgh in the same day, and it makes for a long day when you do that,'' she said. "And I could get some work done when I'm riding on the bus."

Legislators often travel back and forth, almost exclusively by car.

"Even with the moderating price of gasoline, this bus should be an attractive alternative,'' said Rep. Don Walko, D-North Side.

US Airways (and its predecessors) have offered air service between Pittsburgh and Harrisburg for 70 years, until September.

An online reservation system for the new bus should be in operation in about a month. More information is available at www.steelcityflyer.com.

Tom Barnes can be reached at tbarnes@post-gazette.com or 1-717-787-4254.
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Full write up in Todays Patriot News, as well as advertisements on the local Radio

AirTran is now offering non stop flights to Orlando Florida. Good Stuff
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Central Penn Business Journal's supplement on "Urban Living" in Central PA. Check it out!
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Cool find, thanks!
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The economy in Central PA doesn't seem too bad off at the moment. Additional development is still underway. The new office building on Front street is full framed and receiving its facade.

Unemployment for the Harrisburg Area was reported on the radion this morning to be at 5%.

New projects are still being proposed. In today's Patriot News two gentlemen by the names of Jim Moyer, director of Broadway Classics Dinner Theater, and Harrison Bink announced plans to convert an old truck salvage building within sight of the Hollywood Casino into a Dinner theater and plans to target bus tours with packaged deals with the casino. I think this is a great idea and I hope it takes off. It would be great to have the Casino drive further development up in that area. More development in Dauphin County will increase the tax base, help lower or stabilize taxes which should drive more development.
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I was in da 'burg briefly this weekend and I got to drive around and check out a few things. I was quite impressed by the HBG U building and the lighting on the crown is quite nice...a definite jewel for sure. And I'm not a "height freak" or anything but I do wish it was a little taller for this very reason, as you can't see it in the skyline from many angles.

The courthouse is FANTASTIC and one of my favorite DT developments ever I think...yep, I like it that much!

Other than that, I was very underwhelmed unfortunately. Also, the development in the 'burbs is really horrible (Lower Paxton Twp. comes to mind) and you really notice how cheap, sprawl-y and "lazy" it is when you have been gone for some time. The zoning boards in these greedy townships need to add some thought and class to what they allow to be built (and where).
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Well thankfully not much is getting built in the burbs at the moment. I am kinda happy about that. Means that the only available housing will be in the city. I really think that the Mayor needs to start an initiave to get the population up. In the 20 odd years since he has been here he has seen over 20% decline in population. Greatly eroding the taxbase.

I also wonder how the University is going to expand in the coming years? I mean when they outgrow that building where are they going to expand to?
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There are still some smaller projects in the midtown area moving along. Campus Square is showing hope and they moved in a crane last week. I also noticed building applications posted on the windows of the two buildings that are going to house the new Fulton Bank. The arts center (old Jewish center on 3rd) looks great.. What a huge improvement for the neighborhood. Work is also taking place at the NEW Midtown Scholar Bookstore. There is still some hope. Take a look at this loft/flat project that is being built in York www.codoyork.com. I would love to have a place like this is the Burg. The old charter school building on 3rd St. across from Mercados pizzza would be a perfect fit for a project like this.
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I was in the Harrisburg Mall over Christmas, and frankly, it was utterly depressing. There are a lot of empty stores, and even worse, I think the Barnes & Noble is pulling out (they took their name off the extension). I've also heard a rumor that they were behind on their lease payments - so I'm not sure if anyone has any info regarding that.

Other than that, I haven't been downtown lately, so I can't comment on whether or not it's as depressing as the suburbs (it sounds OK though).
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An update on the stalled Herr/Cameron Sts. project...as always, take with a grain of salt until you see actual humans on the site doing actual work:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...itol_view.html

Future looks promising for unfinished office center
by DAN MILLER, Of The Patriot-News
Thursday January 01, 2009, 11:47 PM

When it comes to unfinished development projects in the midstate, the most glaring example could be the Capitol View Commerce Center at Cameron and Herr streets in Harrisburg.

This $28 million office/retail complex was supposed to be finished by fall 2007. Work came to a halt in May 2008 when contractors decided to abandon the job site because they said they had received no payments for months from center developer David R. Dodd II.

But now, work on the building may be about to resume, as early as mid-January, according to Rick McBride, president of Herre Bros. Inc., an Enola-based contractor that has gone to court to try and collect an estimated $1.3 million in unpaid bills from Dodd.

McBride said he has been told by officials with Quandel Group Inc. that a new investor is about to assume ownership of the project from Dodd and will pay the contractors what they are owed, plus provide sufficient guarantees that they'll receive payments necessary to finish the project.

McBride identified the prospective owner as Jacob Frydman -- the same New York City investor pursuing a deal for a long-term lease of Harrisburg's public parking facilities.

Calls to Frydman were not immediately returned on Wednesday. Harrisburg Mayor Stephen R. Reed's office did not respond to a request for comment.

Several sources close to the Capitol View project in recent months have privately identified Frydman as a potential investor in the project.

Quandel, a construction management firm, was hired by Commerce Bank/Harrisburg to do an analysis of the unfinished center. Commerce had pledged to provide $5 million in private bank financing toward construction of the center, which is also receiving funding from the city as well as county, state and federal government sources.

Bub Manning, a principal of the Quandel Group, has said that his company has signed a confidentiality agreement with Commerce that prohibits Quandel from discussing the project publicly.

Herre Bros. is one of three contractors that have a suit pending in Dauphin County Court against Commerce and the city of Harrisburg concerning the center.

A judge several weeks ago ordered a stay in all activity in the suit until sometime this month.

McBride said Herre and the other contractors will not withdraw the suit until they know for certain that they will receive all the money they are owed plus assurances for any future bills related to the project.

"There's obviously an additional cost to complete the project" as a result of the long delay, including the expense involved in getting crews to return to the job site, McBride said. He said he does not know how much more the building will cost to complete.
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Another update on the local scene:

Downturn affecting commercial real estate
REAL ESTATE
Friday, January 02, 2009
BY SHARON SMITH
Of The Patriot-News

Between the credit crunch and the faltering economy, it was only a matter of time before the commercial real estate market started feeling pangs.

And that's exactly what appears to be happening nationally and in the Harrisburg area.

Several commercial projects in the area have been put on the back burner. The most recent example is the Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center's decision to delay construction of a children's hospital in Derry Twp.

Midstate commercial real estate agents point to the lackluster economy and the fact that it's harder to get financing as the reasons the market has hit a snag.

Dave Remmel, the president of Landmark Commercial Realty in Lemoyne, said the commercial real estate market has slowed down considerably. Several retail projects Landmark was involved in have been put on hold, Remmel said.

"In one case, a developer dropped it completely and walked away from a $1 million investment," he said.

Remmel would not provide details on the projects.

Landmark also had a couple of large retail projects that were slated for groundbreakings in 2008 postponed a year.

Banks aren't lending money as freely as they once were, and business owners are simply too scared to make investments in commercial property.

"Retail is hit particularly hard," Remmel said. "We're talking about discretionary income in most cases."

The Harrisburg Mall, already hit by the closure of the Boscov's store last year when the chain filed for bankruptcy protection, has seen other projects postponed or shelved.

A Barnes & Noble store was expected to open in the spring of 2008 but hasn't. Company officials said it was not going to open "at this time."

A planned Panera Bread and a Sega retailer have not opened. Panera is looking to sublease its space, and Sega is suing over stalled construction.

In Harrisburg, plans to move the Midtown Cinema to Campus Square were ditched when the developers could not secure additional financing to cover the $750,000 cost. The cinema remains at 250 Reily St.

Aloft, which was pitched as a 13-story, 138-room hotel at Second and State streets, is moving forward, but not as quickly as expected.

The hope was that the hotel would open in 2008, but the project hasn't broken ground.

Aloft is being redesigned, said Mayur Patel, general counsel for the Hersha Group, a partner in the project with WCI Partners. Economic conditions aren't delaying the project, but they are forcing the partners to be more cognizant, he said.

"We need to do more diligence in this environment," Patel said.

Smaller deals are much easier to complete. Remmel said deals in the $500,000 to $1 million range are easier to finance through local lenders.

"Most of the local banks are very busy doing the things the bigger banks can't do right now," he said.

Speculative deals are harder to do, Remmel said. For example, someone who wants to buy land to build a shopping center is going to have to do a lot of persuading to get banks to lend the money.

"Anything that doesn't have a definite cash flow ... would be very hard to finance right now," he said.

Jim Koury, a partner in RSR Realtors in Lemoyne, said he has had to do a lot of hand-holding to see that deals get done.

"Most of my time in the last six weeks is trying to keep deals together. Ninety percent of my time," he said. "The new deals are just very, very slow right now."

Financing that was readily available three years ago isn't available today, he said.

But for those who have the money and the creditworthiness, now could be a great opportunity to buy.

"Cash is king right now," Koury said. "There are a lot of local investors that probably have a full desk of buying opportunities. Sellers that are distressed are extremely motivated to sell at this time."

After a similar slowdown in the early 1990s, the market started to rebound first with small office deals, Remmel said.

"That picks up quicker," Remmel said. "There is pent-up demand. People need offices. I expect that will happen again soon."

The commercial market is better in the midstate than it is in other areas. Remmel said he didn't know of any commercial properties that have been foreclosed and has not noticed that rents have come down.

It's nearly impossible to point to building permit numbers because they are not kept consistently throughout the state.

Dauphin County officials are not concerned that a delay in projects will hurt the county's bottom line.

"We are not seeing a material impact on our tax base," county Commissioner Nick DiFrancesco said in a written statement.

"I think we're in a good area and there is some pent-up demand," Remmel said. "I am hoping things will explode in three to six months. I'm just hoping."

SHARON SMITH: 255-4152 or sharonsmith@patriot-news.com

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Don't forget that the Office building along Front Street is under construction and is currently getting its Facade set in place.

It would be great if Capital View could be completed. It would really revitalize that whole block. I wouldn't be surprised to see additional investment (maybe in a few years) in that area if it was completed and fully occupied. What does Jacob Frydman look like? There was a NYC man nosing around my block a couple months ago looking to invest. Was wondering if it was the same man. Drove a very expensive Mercedes

Has anyone seen any new news on 212 2nd Street project? I would love if it could move forward.
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Midtown aiming for pre-sprawl character
Buildings being recycled with heavy emphasis on the environment
Monday, January 26, 2009
BY JOHN LUCIEW
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Can you recycle a neighborhood?

The ambitious, environmentally conscious development firm formerly known as Powers & Associates is trying to do just that in Harrisburg's midtown.

Already, the Harrisburg-based firm, which recently changed its name to GreenWorks Development to project its environmentally friendly mission, has converted a vacant printing plant at North Third and Reily streets into the Harrisburg Area Community College's Midtown Campus.

Across Reily street, construction is well under way on a 75,000-square-foot retail and office building that will be powered by solar panels on the roof and heated and cooled with a geothermal system.

And that's just the beginning.

GreenWorks CEO Doug Neidich said he envisions building an integrated community in midtown where residents can live, work, play and learn, all without having to get into a car.

"You want a situation where people can get out from behind the wheel of their cars," Neidich said. "You want a sustainable lifestyle."

In many ways, the 1 million square feet of residential, retail and office space the company intends to build or rehabilitate are a throwback to the town-centered American lifestyle that existed before suburban sprawl.

If GreenWorks manages to pull off a truly integrated, self-sufficient community, it will have succeeded where previous plans, such as Vartan Village, fell short.

The late John O. Vartan hoped to transform 22 blocks just north of the GreenWorks project area into a no-automobile utopia of affordable housing and neighborhood shops.

Instead, the project came to naught. The city re-acquired the land, and another developer eventually turned a smaller section into town homes known as Capitol Heights.

The one constant is the appeal of the neighborhood.

Neidich said he hand-picked Harrisburg's midtown for his pro-environment experiment because it already boasted a tight-knit community of residents and retailers, along with plenty of vacant space where more could be built.

If all goes according to plan, Neidich said, this type of green urban renewal could be a blueprint for how future development can thrive without increasing the size of a community's carbon footprint.

"It's just a great canvas for this kind of development," said Neidich, whose company controls about 12 acres in the neighborhood.

The city's midtown, bounded by Forster, Front, Maclay and Sixth streets, also has a desirable location. It's just five blocks north of the state capital complex, close enough for residents to walk to work, or to attractions of downtown, but far enough away to feel like a real residential neighborhood.

Those charms have lured others well before Neidich and GreenWorks came along. For the most part, existing residents and businesses are generally welcoming the company and its grand plans.

"We're really lucky to have business people who have come in here with a real vision," said C.J. Elder, the president of the residents' group Friends of Midtown.

Elder, an eight-year resident, said the appeal of midtown comes down to a few seemingly basic qualities -- accessibility, openness and old-fashioned friendliness.

"I work downtown and I wanted to be able to walk to work," she said. "And I wanted to know my neighbors."

GreenWorks' heavy investment in the area -- already about $30 million and as much as $100 million planned over the next 10 years -- is attracting new businesses, such as Breads 'n Spreads, at 1419 N. Third St., and spurring existing ones, such as the Midtown Scholar Bookstore, to expand.

"There is a ripple effect, but somebody has to be the leader," said Midtown Scholar owner Eric Papenfuse, who estimated that he's investing nearly $1 million to expand in the former Fissel & Co. antiques store at 1302 N. Third St.

"There's no question that midtown always had plenty of potential, but [GreenWorks] came in and took the risk to do some bold things," Papenfuse said. "They deserve much of the credit."

The neighborhood also boasts the Broad Street Market, Harrisburg's farmers market, which also houses mom-and-pop grocers, bakers and restaurateurs.

Neidich said he'd like to build on the market's green appeal by working with the city and the market's nonprofit board to upgrade the facility.

"It's all part of an integrated community," Neidich said. "That's the local market."

JOHN LUCIEW: 255-8171 or jluciew@patriot-news.com

GREEN INGREDIENTS

Highlights of GreenWorks plans for Harrisburg's midtown:
# A $14 million renovation project at Third and Reily streets turned a blighted building into a home for Harrisburg Area Community College's building and trade programs.
# An $11 million office-and- retail complex at 1426 N. Third St. to be known as Campus Square is under construction across from the HACC building, and is scheduled to open this summer.
# A $1 million renovation of three structures at 1425, 1427 and 1429 N. Third St., will transform them into an 8,400-square-foot complex, including a new Fulton Bank branch. It's scheduled to open this summer.
# Upgrading the Midtown Cinema at its current location, 250 Reily St. No date has been set.
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just read your post of this over at City Data the other site is interesting as well!
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Does anyone know if the "1500 Project" is going to begin construction? There has been some activity at the site (6th and Reily) as of late. This would be a GREAT addition to the neighborhood.
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This would be the first time I have heard of it. What is the details of the project. I have a bunch of contacts in the Harrisburg Real Estate market, I could ask around.
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