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Old Posted Oct 6, 2009, 3:07 AM
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A purple line station with a New Westfield Mall!
Sounds like ill be going there often.
Im hating the "if" part though.

I like CC better than DTLA because CC has more Foot traffic and it's buildings are just more attractive. Im also looking forward to the new twin towers replacing the Century Plaza hotel. Will it be CC's newest tallest building??

Can someone show a rendering of some sort of CC with it's proposed buildings??? much Appreciated.

When will the purple line open in CC??? It'll do great for all the traffic on the 10 Freeway and 405. Hopefully it comes true.
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Or were you looking for a rendering with CC skyline itself with the proposed towers?
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A purple line station with a New Westfield Mall!
Sounds like ill be going there often.
Im hating the "if" part though.

I like CC better than DTLA because CC has more Foot traffic and it's buildings are just more attractive. Im also looking forward to the new twin towers replacing the Century Plaza hotel. Will it be CC's newest tallest building??

Can someone show a rendering of some sort of CC with it's proposed buildings??? much Appreciated.

When will the purple line open in CC??? It'll do great for all the traffic on the 10 Freeway and 405. Hopefully it comes true.
Century City has more foot traffic than Downtown? Orly? Downtown has more foot traffic on a Sunday than Century City on a Wednesday. I love CC but it still needs to find a way to make itself more welcoming to people. Century City if comparable to La Defense in Paris. Nice buildings but totally sterile and cold.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2009, 4:58 PM
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Kevin: you're looking for trouble around here when you prefer CC to DT. Probably the best way of putting it is that each has something it needs that the other has.

DT has people actually living in it and a much more organic and urban feel. But this is offset by oldness, dirt and poverty. CC has newness, cleanliness and safety but very much of a "managed" feel; you can't feel like there is a neighborhood bar or park you could hang in.

The good news is that each is getting more of what it is lacking.
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Yes okay "each has something it needs that the other has." I feel that too, if only they were all together and not spread apart. LA's skyline would be large.

DTLA i think has alot of Foot traffic in Broadway, but once i pass Los Angeles St. i dont feel at all safe, not like in CC where i feel safe anywhere i walk. CC is also so nice and clean, while DTLA has all the homeless on skid row. I think they both have their Ups and Their Downs.

And has anyone noticed, Hollywood kinda reminds me of Times Square, Its so beautiful, i love all the Signs and Billboards. It has such a new york feel, and there are so many people that walk around too.
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Old Posted Oct 8, 2009, 3:10 AM
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oh yes JDR i want to see the CC's skyline with the towers all together. But thank you for the rendering of the towers itself. I think i get a better picture of how it will look.
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Hollywood reminds me of Hollywood.
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I was at the airport today and there's scaffolding all over the Theme Building. Is that just a re-paint or are they doing something?
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Hollywood reminds me of Hollywood.
I agree it is nothing like Times Square. The scale and feel are completely different.
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That's funny; Hollywood doesn't remind me of Hollywood and TS does not remind me of TS.

They both have changed a lot. I would guess that both are more like the 1930's than the way they were for most of the last 50 years. The tourists are back and now have a positive attitude; the big entertainment companies put on parties, shows, events, etc., there rather than avoiding it like the plague (remember Taxi Driver? not exactly Disney and Muppet territory). Especially in Hollywood, the club and restaurant patrons are rather dressy (or at least trendy), not derelicts in dive bars.

And it's impossible not to notice some similarities: the nightlife, the tourists, the street crowds, the moving in of big name retail and entertainment, hotels and condos, media, mass transit, redevelopment, etc. Development spreading off the main drag onto side streets. And some rough edges.
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Yes okay "each has something it needs that the other has." I feel that too, if only they were all together and not spread apart. LA's skyline would be large.
If you check out the diagrams section, LA is like #8 when it comes to high-rises.


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DTLA i think has alot of Foot traffic in Broadway, but once i pass Los Angeles St. i dont feel at all safe, not like in CC where i feel safe anywhere i walk. CC is also so nice and clean, while DTLA has all the homeless on skid row. I think they both have their Ups and Their Downs.
You have to go back to the early half of the 20th century, when the Historic Core was in it's prime, to see alot of pedestrian traffic:




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And has anyone noticed, Hollywood kinda reminds me of Times Square, Its so beautiful, i love all the Signs and Billboards. It has such a new york feel, and there are so many people that walk around too.
I've been trying to convince some people on the blog "Curbed LA" (Ex. STARCHY) that billboards, when placed in the right areas, can improve their nightlife, which is needed especially in Downtown.
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Love the picture; all that's missing is Philip Marlowe and a trench coat. Quite a contrast to the proposed CC buildings up above.

DT has a bit of CC in it: the new Financial District along Fig, Flower, Grand. But the rest of it has an urbanity that I don't think CC will ever have. Kind of scary but no more so that 100 other big city DT areas (except bigger than most).

South Park is sort of in between; a little newer and hipper. But you would never catch Philip Marlow there.
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Edluva, did you hear Kuntsler's assesment of LA yet? I thought it was pretty good overall:
http://kunstlercast.com/shows/Kunstl...s_Angeles.html
pretty good overall summary relying on some poorly conceived anecdotes and the painful applciation of old stereotypes which, in spite of being trite and carrying with them the condescending tone so expected from new yorkers commenting on la, have "objective" relevance to la. la is indeed hedonistic or pornographic in many ways, and the host put it well when he said he could really get into this hedonism if he shut off a part of his brain for the moment. la is pornography of the human soul manifested in urban form.

that being said, i can't stand when new yorkers dissect and analyze los angeles as though it were an alien civlization. la is in many ways the cultural and moral trash chute to ny's higher minded consumerism. one's ugly and the other's pretty but they're still tied together at the hip.

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one's ugly and the other's pretty
Stupid generalization.
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That KunstlerCast was a mess. You can't make a serious assessment about a city in 4 days and it doesn't accurately describe the region. There's a clear lack of knowledge of how the region works. Not only that, in making the arguments against LA they forget the arguments apply to their own city as well. For instance, South Central is no dirtier than the Bronx. And the houses in the Bronx are in no better shape than those in South Central. It was pretty pathetic to imply everyone in LA is horny because the SFV is the porn capital as well. LA brings on a sense of hornyness. Yea... riiiiiight. It got a little corny if you ask me.
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In general you can't take these things seriously; they're intended for entertainment and to make money. It's like taking investment advice from the guys on cable TV: they are not paid by the quality of their advice, but by the ratings they generate.

Treat it as entertainment not as analysis or a guide to understanding anything.
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hey guys, pretty new to this particular thread. i just moved to miracle mile, and i have a question about a nearby project. anyone know what is going on at the corner of wilshire and sycamore (one block east of la brea)? looks like they have poured some underground parking, but i havent seen anything beyond that yet, and didnt see any renderings posted anywhere on the site. thanks for the help.
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pretty good overall summary relying on some poorly conceived anecdotes and the painful applciation of old stereotypes which, in spite of being trite and carrying with them the condescending tone so expected from new yorkers commenting on la, have "objective" relevance to la. la is indeed hedonistic or pornographic in many ways, and the host put it well when he said he could really get into this hedonism if he shut off a part of his brain for the moment. la is pornography of the human soul manifested in urban form.

that being said, i can't stand when new yorkers dissect and analyze los angeles as though it were an alien civlization. la is in many ways the cultural and moral trash chute to ny's higher minded consumerism. one's ugly and the other's pretty but they're still tied together at the hip.
It's sickening to read this. "One's ugly and the other's pretty"? "trash chute to ny's higher minded consumerism"? Please, spare us your narrow-minded assessment of culture and morality in L.A. and move away to Europe so you can bash America as you do L.A.
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^why would i need to move to europe to make the exact same observations i do living here? that's just stupid. la is indeed america's biggest generator of trash pop culture. do you deny this? it is the rear end of the ny/la coin. and btw, being "high minded" imply self righteousness as well. don't be so simple.

ruffy - noone implied angelenos are literally more horny than new yorkers. it's called "metaphor" (are we really this shallow?) i'm not defending kunstlercast, because the discussion had some ignorant generalizations if its own. but however imperfectly it does it, it does touch upon many fundamental truths about la (and consumerism at large) that cannot be denied.
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