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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 5:52 AM
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Why no European supertalls

I am curious why Europe don't have any high rise like over 500 meters buildings? Alot of Eurpoean artichets proposed a tall towers to Asia, but why not Europe? Is there any height restricts there?
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 10:29 AM
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^^ historical centres
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 11:54 AM
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Actually there is 612 meters tall building is approved in Moscow and is currently on the plot preparation state. 448 meters tall is also under construction.
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Can somebody make the thread title a bit more interesting.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 5:56 PM
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In case of Germany there are height restrictions. But I think even without height restrictions few German companies would want to build such supertalls as their are economically not interesting.
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No need for uneconomical monumental tall buildings to impress the rest of the world?
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 7:42 PM
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That's an interesting question but perhaps there is no one particular reason to indicate it in the answer. Perhaps there is a combination of reasons. I however wouldn't mind seeing more taller skyscrapers in the European cities. They DO make cities look more attractive and sexy.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 10:43 PM
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It does not make sense from economic viewpoint.

Only to satisfy ego. Dubaï supertalls are funded by state-controlled companies.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2006, 11:23 PM
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Asia needs to proove it's economic importance. US urbanisme is centered around skyscrapers, Europe just doesn't need supertalls.

And they are coming anyways.
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I guess Europeans in general are not used to live high above the ground.
There is a tendancy of living in houses or low scrapers altough a few cities like Rotterdam are really building new tall residential towers.
In larger cities like Paris or London there are since many decades many tall buildings but there are no plans to built higher towers, perhaps Moscow is the only exeption.
Honestly I cannot imagine Dubaiesque situations on the old continent altough some seaside resorts along the Mediterrenean coastline like Benidorm is the closest by far.
Asian situations are not at all to be found here; look what the several new towns of the 60's & 70's brought
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2006, 2:34 AM
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Well I am more likely talking about England, Germany, France, Spain, any countries at West Europe. I know they have really wonder design of towers, but not the supertalls. I think some of you might be right, they just don't like supertalls or don't need supertalls.
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I would define "supertall" as anything over 300m.

London has 1 building being planned at 310m, with another close behind at 288m.
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No need for uneconomical monumental tall buildings to impress the rest of the world?
i would not call them uneconomical.



if to take 300m mark then there are at least 16 u/c, approval and proposals in moscow.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2006, 9:44 AM
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i would not call them uneconomical.



if to take 300m mark then there are at least 16 u/c, approval and proposals in moscow.
City Hall is one building, so you mean 13.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2006, 10:13 AM
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no, there are 4 buildings in the city hall complex.
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O are we back to that one again?

Btw, you addressed your "uneconomical" post to the wrong person(s). Jonas didn't bring that subject up in his post. Nexus and jef did.
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I once read that in case of Frankfurt investment costs per sqm are initially sinking with height but once you approach the 200m mark they begin to stagnate and then rise again which makes buildings above that height uneconomical. Where that point is depends mostly on two factors: land price and quality of the ground (i.e. soft sands or hard rock). The higher the land price and the harder and stable the ground, the more height it takes until construction efforts and costs rise so fast that you reach an economical ceiling
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Hmm Hmm... Never mind, Paris just got its more than 1 over 300 meters future buildings there.
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Hmm Hmm... Never mind, Paris just got its more than 1 over 300 meters future buildings there.
Yeah.. there are two towers above 300 meters which are currently approved for Paris : Tour Generali and Tour Signal (or Tour Phare).
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no, there are 4 buildings in the city hall complex.
Stop it...
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