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Why Can't We Build Skinny Skyscrapers Everywhere?

Why Can't We Build Skinny Skyscrapers Everywhere?


June 26th, 2014

By KRISTON CAPPS

Read More: http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/0...ywhere/373493/

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Within the next few years, the number of New York City skyscrapers that are 1,000 feet or taller is going to soar. Today, there are seven towers in the 1,000-feet-plus club. If construction proceeds as planned on projects now under way or scheduled to break ground this year, that figure will more than double.

- Taken on their own terms, the superskinnies represent a feat of architectural design. The new developments going up on West 57th Street may, in fact, be approaching the outer limits of the tall-to-thin aspect ratio for a structure. Just not for the reasons you might think. --- "Structurally, there are a lot of very unique challenges, especially for a building that wants a high degree of special views," says Vishaan Chakrabarti, a partner at SHoP Architects and the director of the Center for Urban Real Estate at Columbia University. SHoP—the firm that designed the Barclays Center as well the forthcoming Domino Sugar Refinery development, both in Brooklyn— is responsible for what may be New York's, and the world's, skinniest supertall.

- "The majority of the shear load is happening on the east and west façades," Chakrabarti explains, referring to one of the fundamental forces that architects and engineers have to account for in designing buildings. Those façades will boast another bravura element of the design: a system of terra-cotta blocks, which will be created by artisans at New York's famed Boston Valley Terra Cotta workshop. --- "[The design] gives the building a sense of stability," Chakrabarti says. "It’s a slender building, but a stable building. The main structural challenge is taking the core and using the east and west shear walls to stabilize the building."

- With an aspect ratio of 1:23—that's the ratio of the longest dimension of the building to the narrowest—111 W. 57th St. is a true needle. Chakrabarti describes the building's feathered tiers, or setbacks, as "an essay on the setback." Which you can detect even at street level. --- But this building is no outlier in its structural components. The design features gaps in the building that allow wind to pass through, lessening the wind load on the whole. It also includes a tuned mass damper, a large object that acts as a kind of inertial counterweight. This is designed to balance a building, to keep it from swaying in the event of an earthquake and to ensure the comfort of occupants when the building is buffeted by strong winds.

- Down the road is 217 West 57th St., another supertall, superskinny Midtown tower. This isn't, strictly speaking, the project with the sharpest aspect ratio that architect Gordon Gill has ever designed. That honor belongs to the trident-shaped tower designed by architecture firm Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill for One Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, a $95 billion—billion—mega-development planned by firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM). But 217 W. 57th St. will nevertheless be one of the skinniest towers in Manhattan and the nation.

- "The complexity just increases when you get slender," Gill says. "The floorplates become smaller, but the views can become really amazing." --- Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill is responsible for creating some of the best views in the world. The firm designed Kingdom Tower, an astonishing 3,280-square-foot tower under construction in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. (Smith, while he was with SOM, designed Dubai's Burj Khalifa, currently the tallest building in the world.) No one boasts taller projects. And at 1,423 square feet in height, 217 West 57th St. will be New York's second-tallest building, right behind 1 World Trade Center—and only then when you count the spire.

- There are reasons that superskinnies haven't shown up in Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Dallas, or other cities. Nor are they likely to get much skinnier in Manhattan. --- "From an engineering standpoint, there’s a ways to go," Gill says when I ask him how tall and thin the firm can build. "From an economic standpoint, we’re close to the limit." --- "We cut slots, we punch holes, we create notches in the corners of the buildings" to mitigate the effects of wind, Gill says, on tall and thin buildings alike. But there are some places where superskinnies will just never go. No matter how pitched income inequality comes to be in San Francisco, these towers will never rise there. "For areas that are seismic, the slenderer buildings are not advisable," Gill says.

- You could go taller with these skinny towers, but it would require something that no U.S. city has in spades: abundant land downtown available for development. The higher you go, Gill says, "the land area you require increases. Doubles. Triples." At a kilometer high, Kingdom Tower's footprint is still manageable. But at a mile high, the base that a building requires becomes much, much larger. --- "You end up carving that stuff up [the base area]," he says. "There’s an economics to it that suggests that at this time, and this place, this is what we can do."

- Even in Billionaires Row—where Midtown zoning allows skyscrapers to soar—the oxygen has mostly been used up. To build the towers that are rising now, in many cases, developers purchased air rights from adjacent shorter buildings. "At least in this corridor, most of the air rights have been used up," Chakrabarti says. --- In other words, these superskinnies are unique—a "registration of the market," as Chakrabarti calls them. "It is a typology that’s happening, no question," he says, noting that SHoP has at least two more supertalls coming to New York. "But if I look at our overall portfolio, [superskinny, supertall] is not an enormous percentage in terms of square footage."

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If only those rectangular block monsters built in the 60s and 70s along the waterfront in the financial district were graceful skinny ladies instead of hulking tubs of shit (hiding the beautiful babes in behind with their spires).
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Tall And Skinny: The 2018 NYC Skyline

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In just the last few months, the New York City skyline has been transformed with the addition of One World Trade Center and the supertall and super-skinny 432 Park Avenue. And these projects are just the beginning of Manhattan’s skyscraper boom, a race to erect characterless glass behemoths. It appears as though architects were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should.

In an effort to showcase 53W53, which will house the Museum of Modern Art, a 100-room hotel, and 120 high-end condos, CityRealty released these renderings of the future of Manhattan’s skyline. And if you’re a fan of iconic New York landmarks such as the Woolworth Building or the Flatiron Building, you are in for quite a disappointment. --- Midtown will become the future home of many of these gargantuan reflectors, ensuring a boom to purveyors of sunglasses around Times Square, but downtown will also see some super-skinny erections. Near the newly-opened One WTC, a couple of equally tall apartment buildings are set to house the most ostentatious of the financial sector.

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Puts all the woot wooting about Calgary in perspective.
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Was that article seriously bitching about tall buildings being built in Manhattan?
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Was that article seriously bitching about tall buildings being built in Manhattan?
People love to bitch about new skyscrapers being built in Manhattan.


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And these projects are just the beginning of Manhattan’s skyscraper boom, a race to erect characterless glass behemoths. It appears as though architects were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should.
Someone who doesn't have a clue.
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People love to bitch about new skyscrapers being built in Manhattan.




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