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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 1:41 AM
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This footprint is tiny. If they're gonna build one million square ft.+ and office space, it's probable we're getting something around the height of Central Park Tower.

The footprint is two little townhouses on 51st and three little townhouses on 52nd. Small floorplates, soaring ceiling heights and tons of FAR thanks to St. Patricks air rights. I think people are gonna be floored at this tower reveal.
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2019, 1:53 AM
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This footprint is tiny. If they're gonna build one million square ft.+ and office space, it's probable we're getting something around the height of Central Park Tower.

The footprint is two little townhouses on 51st and three little townhouses on 52nd. Small floorplates, soaring ceiling heights and tons of FAR thanks to St. Patricks air rights. I think people are gonna be floored at this tower reveal.

Yeah, the footprint will be small. We're not looking at a tower seeking massive leases. It will likely be one of the more expensive office towers in the city, filled with tenants who seek out such spaces, not the larger half million to million sf leases of the large corporations.

At any rate, it's good to see Macklowe making progress on this.
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I hope that the diagram in this first post is not indicative of what will rise.
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Given the small nature of the parcel(s), it probally will be a very tall rectangle. Hopefully it'll have a good facade, but I'm not expecting anything other than a tall rectangle. IF we are lucky, It'll have a nice facade and maybe a crown.
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Would be really cool if Olympic Tower could essentially be incorporated as a base to this new project. Maybe a re-skin and carving out space for the creation of new soaring lobby right on Fifth for the new tower.
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Given the small nature of the parcel(s), it probally will be a very tall rectangle. Hopefully it'll have a good facade, but I'm not expecting anything other than a tall rectangle. IF we are lucky, It'll have a nice facade and maybe a crown.
That would be terrible since some very nice old structures are coming down. It's a shame to see old gems come down when there's so much crap in the area.
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There definitely could be the potential for a nice design, I just think it will be a tall rectangle. Nothing radical, like another Verre for example.

On the plus side, I think this development is aiming for the boutique feel with respect to the clients given that a large commitment would not be needed, and cater to the firms that can afford the high rent which this will command. So we may get a nice design if they are going for the exclusive, smaller tenants, but ones who will pay very high rents.

Almost like the 432 Park, but for office tenants. So the rents will be high, and akin to an exclusive office tower.
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Last month's agreement brings the official assemblage to three parcels, though it is unclear whether the firm has more tied up in contract. According to The Real Deal report, Macklowe would still need two other buildings on the block and a healthy supply of air rights to boost the size of the building to 1 million square feet. St. Patrick's Cathedral across the street has nearly 1 million square feet of unused development rights to sell, and would be a likely source.

It's also not out of the question we could end up with some type of cantilever.
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So this could really end up 400+ meters? That'd be insane
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Makes me wonder what the ceiling height would be for the floor. Even with smaller floor plates, if this has the ceiling height of your typical Class-A office tower in NY, this could be well over 300m+ if its 1 mil-sqft or more.
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Makes me wonder what the ceiling height would be for the floor. Even with smaller floor plates, if this has the ceiling height of your typical Class-A office tower in NY, this could be well over 300m+ if its 1 mil-sqft or more.

Think of the high ceilings on One Vanderbilt.


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The materials provide a loose framework for the project: ceiling heights of at least 15 feet, a grand entrance at least 30 feet high, and a “world-renowned designer.”

Whatever the design, it's gonna be a high one. With a name like "Saint Stevens New York", there had better be some sort of magnificent crown, and not just a flat roofed building.
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The site of this tower is smaller than that of 432 Park Avenue. I think the tower's height can reach to 1,500-1,600 ft.


1 million square feet and 1,500-1,600 ft tall


http://www.domusny.com/432-park/

412,637 square feet, floor 96 and 1,396 ft tall
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It's not really smaller.
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It would be interesting to understand which buildings on the site are owned by Macklowe and which are not.
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It would be interesting to understand which buildings on the site are owned by Macklowe and which are not.
I will try to mark it up later if no one has it.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2019, 5:24 AM
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The property would be known as “Saint Stevens New York” and rise midblock along East 51st and 52nd streets, between Fifth and Madison Avenues, in Midtown’s Plaza District, according to Macklowe Properties materials obtained by The Real Deal......Macklowe had been targeting a five-parcel site with the combined addresses of 5-9 East 51st Street and 12-20 East 52nd Street.

The combined property would have more of a presence on East 52nd Street. Here's a rough outline of what that would look like...(He reportedly now has 5 (51st) 12, and 14 (52nd).



















E. 52nd Street










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Thanks NYguy for the images and directions.

Now Macklowe has completed all property for his new tower or not? Will he purchase the air rights from the St. Patrick's Cathedral?
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Did he obtain the Venezuelan Consulate building?
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Thanks NYguy for the images and directions.

Now Macklowe has completed all property for his new tower or not? Will he purchase the air rights from the St. Patrick's Cathedral?
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Did he obtain the Venezuelan Consulate building?

I don't think so. The only thing that seems known so far is the western property an 51st and the two western properties on 52nd.



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