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Given its location, they need an architect group that understands NY. That folks... is SHoP. I'd put my money that if you want a tower that will not only fit in for area, but complement the jewel that is Chrysler, they need to call in the professionals. Not BIG Group, sure as hell not Kaufman or Sam Chang Group, not Vinoly, hell... not even AM Stern... nope... call the SHoP gurus.

When a landmark is needed at Defcon 1, those are the folks one calls.

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Given its location, they need an architect group that understands NY. That folks... is SHoP. I'd put my money that if you want a tower that will not only fit in for area, but complement the jewel that is Chrysler, they need to call in the professionals. Not BIG Group, sure as hell not Kaufman or Sam Chang Group, not Vinoly, hell... not even AM Stern... nope... call the SHoP gurus.

When a landmark is needed at Defcon 1, those are the folks one calls.

Its a matter of National Aesthetics Security.

I would like SHoP, especially where it concerns the Chrysler. But all of these firms are supposed to be able to step up to the job. We'll see what we get. It will be closely watched, that's for sure.
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Personally I find it silly that this building should have to show deference to a 90yr old building. The Chrysler building had its time in the sun. Allow progress to move forward and let other buildings take over the spotlight.
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If it were any other old tower, sure. This is the Chrysler Building we're talking about. It is beloved, and it deserves a higher degree of protection. Any other city would have view corridors up the ass for an icon like this.
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Not BIG Group, sure as hell not Kaufmanor Sam Chang Group, not Vinoly, hell... not even AM Stern... nope... call the SHoP gurus.

When a landmark is needed at Defcon 1, those are the folks one calls.

I can't tell if you actually think that would have been a possibility. Are you being serious? That being said, I'm not sure what this adulation of SHoP is all about. Yes, they're a top notch architecture firm and have been on a role with some impressive high profile projects, especially here in NY, but there are many eminently brilliant and qualified architects that could handle such a delicate task and premier location.
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Personally I find it silly that this building should have to show deference to a 90yr old building. The Chrysler building had its time in the sun. Allow progress to move forward and let other buildings take over the spotlight.
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If it were any other old tower, sure. This is the Chrysler Building we're talking about. It is beloved, and it deserves a higher degree of protection. Any other city would have view corridors up the ass for an icon like this.

I would put the Chrysler Building as one of the most recognized skyline icons in New York, but even the Empire State Building doesn't have protected view corridors. The Chrysler Building still will be visible from most angles anyway, regardless of whatever gets built here. However, we would hope that it's something that lives up to the iconic nature of the Chrysler Buildng, not to mention One Vanderbilt itself will be something of a skyline icon in its own right. Whatever is built here should be something that would bridge the two.

The Chrysler Building is nearly 90 years old, as old as the ESB and more of the classic skyscrapers Downtown like 40 Wall and 70 Pine Street. Even the Woolworth is still an icon after all these years and loss of dominance. No amount of new buildings around them will diminish that. In the case of the Chrysler Building, you actually need something much taller so the towers won't cancel each other out.

This building is also surrounded on all sides by designated landmarks, so there will be a lot of discussion about what goes up here. Also, they're planning to put a new Hyatt here, which would probably be for the upper floors. That would give eye popping views of the Chrysler Buildng.



































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Personally I find it silly that this building should have to show deference to a 90yr old building. The Chrysler building had its time in the sun. Allow progress to move forward and let other buildings take over the spotlight.
This could block 99% of 90 year old buildings in Manhattan and no one would really care. The Chrysler Building is more than a 90 year old building, it’s an icon and and is embedded into the imagery of NYC.

It would he equally sad to build something in front and completely blocking Eiffel Tower. I’m happy this is being built but hopefully it tapers.
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I would put the Chrysler Building as one of the most recognized skyline icons in New York, but even the Empire State Building doesn't have protected view corridors. The Chrysler Building still will be visible from most angles anyway, regardless of whatever gets built here. However, we would hope that it's something that lives up to the iconic nature of the Chrysler Buildng, not to mention One Vanderbilt itself will be something of a skyline icon in its own right. Whatever is built here should be something that would bridge the two.

The Chrysler Building is nearly 90 years old, as old as the ESB and more of the classic skyscrapers Downtown like 40 Wall and 70 Pine Street. Even the Woolworth is still an icon after all these years and loss of dominance. No amount of new buildings around them will diminish that. In the case of the Chrysler Building, you actually need something much taller so the towers won't cancel each other out.

This building is also surrounded on all sides by designated landmarks, so there will be a lot of discussion about what goes up here. Also, they're planning to put a new Hyatt here, which would probably be for the upper floors. That would give eye popping views of the Chrysler Buildng.
The Chrysler building is within the Top 5 most important buildings in New York, I think that's a pretty fair thing to say. And it's a 'Capital L' Landmark. If it was obscured -substantially- then New York would really be losing something.

I don't think this new building on it's own will completely overwhelm it, but we also need to remember the Pfizer site one block east- also in planning phases for a big new development. We might see the Chrysler building really start to get hemmed in on both sides. That site is likely more impactful because it has the potential to block the view from queens- an iconic view of this building.
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There will be a lot of scrutiny on this tower. The developers understand that they will need to get this approved.



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No final agreement has yet been signed; the project requires approval from the city and the state. The current 1,298-room hotel, which employs 925 people, will reportedly stay open until sometime in 2020. The New York Hotel and Motel Trades Council has negotiated a $165 million buyout agreement with Hyatt on behalf of hotel employees that would, for example, pay a room attendant with 30 years of experience over $214,000 in cash as well as pension credits.
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Tishman Speyer and Abu Dhabi will likely be watching this closely as they attempt to sell off the Chrysler Building. A hulking tower across the street would lessen its value as a trophy asset.
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Tishman Speyer and Abu Dhabi will likely be watching this closely as they attempt to sell off the Chrysler Building. A hulking tower across the street would lessen its value as a trophy asset.
Eh, the dumpy, bulky existing hotel that serves as a blight on 42nd/Lex, doesn't exactly add value as a trophy asset.

The only negative from the Chrysler's perspective is a few potential impacted views from the highest floors, but that's happening anyways.
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NYC is so damn lucky. Another possible supertall. I am sick with jealousy but congrats anyway.
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Tishman Speyer and Abu Dhabi will likely be watching this closely as they attempt to sell off the Chrysler Building. A hulking tower across the street would lessen its value as a trophy asset.
Chrysler should be converted to a very high-end hotel with condos and perhaps keep a small amount of boutique office space.
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I don't know how people feel about what type of design should go here, whether it should be a very tall tower, or whether it should fall somewhere in the middle between Chrysler and Vanderbilt. But looking at the site, and the programming, I'm guessing it will be higher than Vandy. So, from just that standpoint alone, what type of tower should rise here? Should it be a box? I say no, especially with the Chase tower and the proposed Tower Fifth looking to move on the skyline.

I think this will be a slender (not like the superslim towers on 57th) tower that either steps back or is tapered as it rises. How it meets the street level is a real question, but I'm guessing it could be set back from 42nd Street or Lexington Ave, possibly saving more of the profile of the Chrysler Building.

I'm just throwing out some random designs, maybe someone will photoshop them onto the site to give us an idea of how a tower of some height would fit in basically...


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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-e...provement-fund

New Grand Central development will add $30 million to Midtown East improvement fund

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February 8, 2018


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A planned 2 million-square-foot office and hotel tower that would rise next to Grand Central Terminal will contribute roughly $30 million into the Midtown East public realm improvement fund created in the district's 2017 rezoning.

Coming shortly after a $208 million air-rights transfer that was part of JPMorgan Chase's plan to build a new headquarters tower at 270 Park Ave., the fund will soon have more than $70 million.
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"This is significant money for transit and pedestrian improvements," said Councilman Keith Powers, whose district encompasses the neighborhood and who chairs the committee that will direct the expenditures. "We're looking at projects that can address high-volume areas and make them more pedestrian-friendly."
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In addition to the public realm improvements, the project will contribute what likely will amount to hundreds of millions of dollars for transportation upgrades to Grand Central Terminal and the subway station below.



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TF Cornerstone and MSD Partners Announce Intention to Redevelop Grand Hyatt Adjacent to Grand Central Terminal,
Supporting East Midtown Revitalization and Vital Transit Upgrades

Transformative 2-million-square-foot development would include state-of-the-art office and retail space, new Grand Hyatt New York hotel, and dramatic public infrastructure improvements at historic Grand Central Terminal



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TF Cornerstone and MSD Partners, L.P. today announced their intention to pursue redevelopment of Grand Hyatt New York adjacent to Grand Central Terminal in Midtown Manhattan in collaboration with an affiliate of Hyatt Hotels Corporation (Hyatt). The new project would replace the existing building and create an iconic 2 million square foot mixed-use development, including world-class office and retail space, dramatic improvements to the public transportation infrastructure in the Grand Central Terminal transit complex and a new luxury Grand Hyatt hotel.

The project would transform one of the most important sites in East Midtown – at 42nd Street and Lexington Avenue, directly adjacent to Grand Central Terminal – offering state-of-the-art, Class A office space to meet demand for the most technologically advanced and efficient floorplans. The project would include substantial public benefits consistent with the recent rezoning of East Midtown:
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-Attract and retain world-class talent and businesses that require new construction, building on recent East Midtown advancements that include JP Morgan's announcement that it will redevelop its headquarters on Park Avenue and the ongoing development of One Vanderbilt.

-Support significant new improvements at Grand Central Terminal, including:
-Enhanced connectivity and circulation in the Grand Central subway complex
-New subway entrances
-Additional design improvements

-Revitalize Grand Hyatt New York, protecting union and non-union hotel jobs and driving economic growth

-Provide significant increase in tax revenue at a critical East Midtown location.
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The development team looks forward to working closely with the MTA to begin a comprehensive planning effort that will ensure that the final design will maximize benefits to their NYCT and Metro-North customers, and ultimately, Long Island Rail Road riders once the East Side Access Project is completed.

The development would be subject to City and State public review processes and work would only begin following receipt of necessary City and State approvals, completion of the design plans and the arrangement of sufficient project financing to complete its construction.

Development would be made possible by the contribution of development rights from Grand Central Terminal, currently owned by TF Cornerstone and MSD Partners, combined with the increase in density permitted
in accordance with the recently approved rezoning of East Midtown to support new office development and infrastructure investment. The redevelopment plans were created in consultation with the New York Hotel Trades Council.
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Jeremy Shell, Principal, TF Cornerstone: "This extraordinary project builds on TF Cornerstone's proud history of mixed-use development in New York City. We look forward to the opportunity to bring a new icon to New York's skyline and help advance the City's goals for desperately needed new development and infrastructure in East Midtown."

Jake Elghanayan, Principal, TF Cornerstone: "We are proud to support sustainable, transit-oriented development with new Class A office space, retail, and a Grand Hyatt hotel adjacent to Grand Central Terminal. The development will provide transit improvements that will transform the experience for hundreds of thousands of commuters every day."

Jason Kollander, Principal, MSD Partners: "This unique partnership is another example of our commitment to investing in East Midtown and helping to drive the revitalization of New York's most important business district for the next generation."

Mark Pardue, Senior Vice President, Operations and Human Resources, Americas, Hyatt: "Hyatt first entered the critical New York market with the flagship Grand Hyatt New York, and the hotel has always been one of our most iconic properties and vital locations. With support from our valued colleagues, we have proudly operated in the city for more than 35 years and remain committed to operating high quality hotels that can sustain long-term success and career opportunities for our colleagues in the market. We look forward to collaborating with TF Cornerstone and MSD Partners to introduce an extraordinary new hotel that will welcome global travelers and local New Yorkers alike while delivering public benefits that will make New York City a better place for residents and visitors."
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I don't know how people feel about what type of design should go here, whether it should be a very tall tower, or whether it should fall somewhere in the middle between Chrysler and Vanderbilt. But looking at the site, and the programming, I'm guessing it will be higher than Vandy. So, from just that standpoint alone, what type of tower should rise here? Should it be a box? I say no, especially with the Chase tower and the proposed Tower Fifth looking to move on the skyline.

I think this will be a slender (not like the superslim towers on 57th) tower that either steps back or is tapered as it rises. How it meets the street level is a real question, but I'm guessing it could be set back from 42nd Street or Lexington Ave, possibly saving more of the profile of the Chrysler Building.

I'm just throwing out some random designs, maybe someone will photoshop them onto the site to give us an idea of how a tower of some height would fit in basically...
Seems to me that a box makes the most sense for the retail and office portions and then the hotel portion will get into setbacks to optimize views
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Here is an overview from Google Maps... the red boxes over the One Vanderbilt site and the Grand Hyatt site are the exact same size, and area in green is the extra lot area that the Grand Hyatt takes up relative to One Vanderbilt. Looks to be about 20% larger, perhaps

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That would be a good spot for the plaza. The view of the Chrysler would be great. Or maybe they will recess the building back from 42nd, aligning it with Grand Central and opening up the views more.
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My thinking is that they could do something here like was done at One Vanderbilt, exposing Grand Central to more views...



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That piece of junk does not belong between two of New York's iconic landmarks.
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