noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

I was confused by this as well Albany.

It turns out, there was a shorter building between the Hotel Chapman and 6th Street.
(HossC identified it as the building in the The Fugitive episode where Lois Nettleton visits the tailor)


If you look closely, you can see a corner of the shorter building (below).

[Lwize]

Soon to be shut down, torn down, and rebuilt over the next year:
the California Incline in Santa Monica.

It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad world


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[Gastorical]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I found this photograph of Venice Beach while I was searching for the postcard of the Dancing Pavilion.

I know the enormous gas-meters downtown, as well as the one next to Charlie Chaplin's Studio in Hollywood,
but I don't remember a gas-meter this close to the ocean.


old file of mine

Any one else aware of this one? I'm sure someone is.
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This is absolutely the Rose Ave base "Southern Counties Gas Company" holder. I think its somewhat of an optical illusion how close it is to the beach.

Look at this https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?m...E.k2IAgfCHIb1Q and scroll down to Rose Ave. for more info.

There was another holder a little further north in Santa Monica but that was much smaller and its exact location is unknown. That was from the Edison Gas Company around the turn of the century before they sold out to Counties Gas.

[ethereal_reality]

THANKS for the information Gastorical!

Originally Posted by HossC

Is this the recently discussed helipad on the Hilton?


Detail

Yep, that's the helipad Hoss. Good eye buddy. It appears to be a bit wider than the building.....hence the shadow.


It's also visible in this postcard.



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I wonder how noisy it was if you had a room directly beneath the helipad. I imagine it'd vibrate you right off the bed.

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[Gastorical]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

-I appreciate the links HossC.



Thanks for pinpointing the location of the gas-o-meter HossC.

1925. It appears it had a 'mini-me' meter as well...to it's left (north)

http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.ipowe...oducts_id/3244


Here it is in 1941. (almost needs a magnifying glass)

www.westland.net
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It is possible the smaller holder in this photo is the original one from the Santa Monica Edison Gas & Electric Company since Venice didn't become a city till 1905. I'm not sure if the same area at Rose Ave. & Main Street would have been considered Santa Monica prior to that.

[ethereal_reality]

You could be right Gastorical. I had forgotten about the 'mini-me' gas-holder.

Originally Posted by Gastorical

There was another holder a little further north in Santa Monica but that was much smaller and its exact location is unknown.
That was from the Edison Gas Company around the turn of the century before they sold out to Counties Gas.

After reading your comment (above), I was searching further north.

I found this intriguing image that shows several tanks in Santa Monica, but none appear to be a gas-holder.


http://hdl.huntington.org/



Here's a closer view. (note the carriage waiting at the bottom of the stairs, and someone has hung their laundry out to dry)



I couldn't help but notice Shoup's Tavern. (the building is uncharacteristically long for a tavern. note the impressive flagpole, sans flag)

detail


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[Otis Criblecoblis]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

Southbound on Fair Oaks is a three-car PE train signed as "Special". It doesn't look like a lot of traffic of either the rail or auto persuasions for New Year's Day, but I'm having a hard time coming up with an alternative explanation for PE running three 1200-class cars here.

Thoughts?

Could it have been headed to Santa Anita racetrack?

[Gastorical]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

You could be right Gastorical. I had forgotten about the 'mini-me' gas-holder.



After reading your comment (above), I was searching further north.

I found this intriguing image that shows several tanks in Santa Monica, but none appear to be a gas-holder.


http://hdl.huntington.org/



Here's a closer view. (note the carriage waiting at the bottom of the stairs, and someone has hung their laundry out to dry)



I couldn't help but notice Shoup's Tavern. (the building is uncharacteristically long for a tavern. note the impressive flagpole, sans flag)

detail


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This was the electric works side of the Edison Company. Little is known about this part of our history but it appears there was a "Gas Works" and a "Electric Works" and they seem to have been in different places in Santa Monica. This is probably the steam plant if I were to guess. You are correct that those holders are definitely not for what would have been manufactured gas at this time period. Gas holders were not constructed in a solid fashion till later in time.

[Wig-Wag]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

Southbound on Fair Oaks is a three-car PE train signed as "Special". It doesn't look like a lot of traffic of either the rail or auto persuasions for New Year's Day, but I'm having a hard time coming up with an alternative explanation for PE running three 1200-class cars here.

Thoughts?

HH, my best guess is that it is a returning Santa Anita race track special. Too bad it isn't carrying a dash sign. Another Possibility is an L.A County Fair special, or more remotely, a Railway Boosters excursion that connected with a regular in-service car for the last lap into LA, as I do not recall ever seeing more than two cars in an RB special.

cheers,
Jack

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by Lwize

Soon to be shut down, torn down, and rebuilt over the next year:
the California Incline in Santa Monica.

Descending the Incline always made me feel absolutely carefree and exhilarated.

Curbed LA published a bunch of historic pix of the California Incline on Friday, including this one from LAPL:


Demo starts in the morning.

Info from the City of Santa Monica about the project here

[MichaelRyerson]

This one is reversed in the archive...

Early shot of the California Incline, ca.1905

Dirt road leading to the top of the cliffs at Palisades Park in Santa Monica, ca.1905. The dirt road at center heads away from the viewer along the edge of the cliff at left and down to the Pacific Coast Highway at right. A wooden fence made from tree branches serves as a guard rail along the edge of the road. The road is bordered by a grove of palm trees at left. An automobile is making its way down the road at center. The ocean is in the distance at left with two small piers visible.

USC digital archive/California Historical Society Collection, 1860-1960


Early photo of California Incline leading down from the palisades to the coast highway, C.C. Pierce, ca. 1905


USC digital archive/Title Insurance and Trust / C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960

[MichaelRyerson]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

A remnant even a norisher might have to turn down:

uscdl

Not this noirisher. Oh man, I've got room for that in my back yard. I wonder what they were asking for it. And I wonder where it ended up.

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

Southbound on Fair Oaks is a three-car PE train signed as "Special". It doesn't look like a lot of traffic of either the rail or auto persuasions for New Year's Day, but I'm having a hard time coming up with an alternative explanation for PE running three 1200-class cars here.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag

HH, my best guess is that it is a returning Santa Anita race track special. Too bad it isn't carrying a dash sign. Another Possibility is an L.A County Fair special, or more remotely, a Railway Boosters excursion that connected with a regular in-service car for the last lap into LA, as I do not recall ever seeing more than two cars in an RB special.

cheers,
Jack

Perhaps they were just making an assumption, but the sources say it's a Rose Parade train--"About a block further north, at Glenarm Street, we see an inbound Rose Parade train passing the pseudo-Spanish style mini-mall at Glenarm Street in the '40s." uncanny.net seems to have gotten it from El Sereno Historical Society

[HossC]

I originally found this postcard of the Ivanhoe Motor Hotel at 11925 Wilshire Boulevard on eBay. Then, after a little searching, I found this larger version of the front.


www.bonanzamarket.de


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The only photograph I've found is this postcard.



www.cardcow.com

The views at Historic Aerials aren't conclusive, but I think the rear building is missing by 1980. According to IMDb.com, the Ivanhoe makes an appearance in the 1949 movie 'The Crooked Way'. Their listing says, "Eddie Rice and Nina Martin stop in front of this location, Eddie then breaks into the gun store and steals a gun." I've only found a few short clips on YouTube (the ones that say "Full Movie" are just links to othe sites).


www.noiroftheweek.com

[so-cal-bear]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

THANKS for the information Gastorical!




Yep, that's the helipad Hoss. Good eye buddy. It appears to be a bit wider than the building.....hence the shadow.


It's also visible in this 1960s postcard that I've enlarged.



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I wonder how noisy it was if you had a room directly beneath the helipad. I imagine it'd vibrate you right off the bed.

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The Bonaventure hotel in your 1960's post card was completed in 1976.

[ethereal_reality]

I meant 1970s so-cal-bear. -my bad.
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speaking of mistakes.
I've noticed that my new computer has an excellent spell-check that automatically corrects misspelled words.
That's all fine and dandy, but each time I type noirish it automatically changes the word to nourish.

Every once in awhile a 'nourish' slips through, making me appear dumber than I actually am.

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[so-cal-bear]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I meant 1970s so-cal-bear. -my bad.
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speaking of mistakes.
I've noticed that my new computer has an excellent spell-check that automatically corrects misspelled words.
That's all fine and dandy, but each time I type noirish it automatically changes the word to nourish.

Every once in awhile a 'nourish' slips through, making me appear dumber than I actually am.

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Nourish! LOL! Maybe your computer thinks it's in England and not norish LA!

Holy crap! It did it to me too! It's not your computer, but the website's auto correct.

[ethereal_reality]

A heads up to all NLA'ers.

One of the best film noirs featuring numerous Los Angeles locations is showing tonight on TCM. 8pm eastern - 5pm pacific.

"Kiss Me Deadly" (1955), Directed by Robert Aldrich.



http://fineartamerica.com/featured/k...nd-design.html



THREE reasons to watch: "Kiss Me Deadly" video


click here:
http://www.criterion.com/current/pos...kiss-me-deadly

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[GaylordWilshire]

imdb.com

Meeker all by himself would be enough reason to watch, but then Meeker and a Corvette...AND Bunker Hill to boot....

[tovangar2]

Here's a terrifying early view of the California Incline:

water and power

I can't see where it connects to the beach (?)

Interesting LAT article about the fragile cliff face. Palisades Park, gifted to us by Arcadia Bandini Sterns Baker, is 30 feet narrower than it was 70 years ago.