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Dave or Mike Bloomberg or whatever (a sports writer) that goes on CTV, CHCH and all the other news channels was saying that Balsillie never liked the idea of managing HECFI, he even considered MLSE taking over it if he got an NHL team.

So this is probably Balsillie's plan to have Katz manage HECFI and renovate Copps. After that he'll step in to own an NHL team. Bloomberg said this is a collaboration with Katz and Balsillie.

Plus Mayor Eisenberger did say in the past that he'll announce plans to renovate Copps before the municipal election, this must have been his plan and hint.
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Dave or Mike Bloomberg or whatever (a sports writer) that goes on CTV, CHCH and all the other news channels was saying that Balsillie never liked the idea of managing HECFI, he even considered MLSE taking over it if he got an NHL team.

So this is probably Balsillie's plan to have Katz manage HECFI and renovate Copps. After that he'll step in to own an NHL team. Bloomberg said this is a collaboration with Katz and Balsillie.

Plus Mayor Eisenberger did say in the past that he'll announce plans to renovate Copps before the municipal election, this must have been his plan and hint.
I am guessing that you mean Howard Bloom, who runs something called Sports Business News. I do not place a lot of faith in that guy's thoughts.
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Balsillie has burned too many bridges with the NHL, and I'm willing to bet that he is on the "Do not sell an NHL team to this person" list, permanently. He was not proper in his actions when trying to acquire a team, and has caused so much trouble that he will likely never own a team. If Hamilton wants a team, they should hope that someone else steps forward as a potential owner, because they'll never achieve that goal with Jim Balsillie.
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If nothing else, there's a good chance that the Oilers will bring their AHL franchise to Copps if/when the Bulldogs move to Laval.
This was my first reaction to the news.
A Montreal Canadien farm team in Hamilton? Ug...
It was great when the Bulldogs were inline with the Oilers.

I was hopeful when Basillie tried, but you cannot "bully" the NHL.
It's been over 40 years that this city has tried to "get our Tigers back".
The only way Hamilton will get a team is to play by the rules, and work with Bettman and crew.

I feel the timming is finally here, (and so does the NHL) for a Hamilton NHL team.

I agree that Winnipeg and Quebec City should also get NHL teams,
but Hamilton has waited a lot longer and is a much better market than either city.
(even with the Leafs and Sabres close by).

Techically, the Leafs are the only team within "50 miles" of Copps.
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Daryl Katz wants to lock up NHL rights to Copps Coliseum for the next four years.

And if Hamilton doesn’t have an NHL team by then, Katz will give the city $1 million.
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Katz offers $1m to lock up rights

July 02, 2010
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http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/800242

Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz wants to lock up NHL rights to Copps Coliseum for the next four years.

And if Hamilton doesn't have an NHL team by then, Katz will give the city $1 million.

The Spectator has learned that those terms are part of the memorandum of understanding proposed by Katz Entertainment Holdings Corporation on Tuesday.

Council will vote Aug. 30 on whether to agree to that proposal.

The city's discussions with the Oilers group were revealed earlier this week when Katz's company pitched the city about operating Copps Coliseum and the future Pan Am stadium.

Though no elements of the current proposal are final, Katz's group has dangled several possibilities that could come with the deal, including the development of an entertainment district around the stadium in partnership with entertainment giant AEG and the potential of a new, NHL-calibre arena to replace Copps.

Few details of the confidential memorandum of understanding are available, but insiders say the document has two main parts: the first dealing with Copps Coliseum and the second with the Pan Am stadium.

The first clause gives Katz's group exclusive rights to host an NHL team for the next four years, similar to the deal penned with RIM billionaire Jim Balsillie last year.

If Katz's group can't bring an NHL team to Hamilton, it will give the city $1 million at the end of that term. It's not clear if this means Katz will take control of Copps if and when an NHL team comes to Hamilton or if he will have a hand in operating the facility during the four-year agreement.

City hall sources say the second part of the memorandum deals with giving Katz's group the authority to operate the planned Pan Am stadium.

It doesn't include any dollar amounts.

At a news conference earlier this week, Mayor Fred Eisenberger said the memorandum would remain private because it's neither complete nor final.
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Hmmmm, so we have Canada's wealthiest man, David Thomson along with Mark Chipman, currently building an entertainment zone around the MTS Centre in Winnipeg, and now we have another rich Canadian wanting to build another entertainment zone around Copps in Hamilton. What about his plan for an entertainment zone around a supposed new arena in Edmonton? Does Katz have enough money for all of this? How do Edmontonians feel about Katz sinking all this money in Hamiton when it could be invested in Edmonton?

Either way, something is afoot with all these "entertainment zones" being created and proposed, and I think several Canadian cities will be brought back into the NHL very soon!
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TSN, GLOBE TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF ADDING CANADIAN NHL TEAMS

It is the topic of some of the most heated debates in Canadian sport: Why shouldn't there be another NHL franchise in Canada? In a joint venture between TSN and The Globe and Mail, the investigative series Why Not Canada? makes definite conclusions regarding the possibility of the addition of an NHL franchise in a Canadian market.

Led by veteran journalist Dave Naylor, the Why Not Canada? series analyzes new wide-ranging and in-depth socio-economic data that clearly illustrates the viability of an NHL franchise expanding or relocating in the Winnipeg, Hamilton, the Greater Toronto Area and Quebec City markets.

The multiplatform investigation includes a six-part series on SportsCentre beginning Monday, accompanied by daily features in The Globe and Mail and online at globeandmail.com. TSN.ca will also have a dedicated Why Not Canada? page beginning Monday with written features, video and in-depth statistical breakdowns for the Winnipeg, Hamilton, the Greater Toronto Area and Quebec City markets.

“Six of the league's 30 teams are located here, yet estimates are that more than 30 per cent of NHL revenue comes from Canada,” says Naylor. “Many Canadians ask themselves: if U.S. franchises are struggling, Why Not Canada? We will look at that question and try to separate the emotion from the facts to definitively answer if another franchise could survive in Canada.”

As part of the Why Not Canada? series Naylor has spent months examining the case for an NHL franchise in four Canadian markets looking at as many angles as possible. Naylor turns to a host of leading economists, market research specialists, potential owners, competition lawyers and fans for input. Other important factors taken into consideration for each market include existing arenas, corporate presence, regional interest in hockey and demographics. Based on Naylor's research, a formula was developed based on quantitative facts that assigns a grade based on the realistic viability of an NHL franchise in each of the four Canadian markets in question.

As part of the series, Naylor sits down with NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman for his opinion and reactions to the research regarding each of the potential Canadian NHL markets considered.

The broadcast schedule for Why Not Canada? on SportsCentre and TSN.ca:

- Monday, July 5 – Part 1: Introduction to Why Not Canada?
- Tuesday, July 6 – Part 2: Winnipeg
- Wednesday, July 7 – Part 3: Hamilton
- Thursday, July 8 – Part 4: Greater Toronto Area
- Friday, July 9 – Part 5: Quebec City
- Saturday, July 10 – Part 6: Conclusions

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326388
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 11:36 PM
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Published on Tuesday, Jul. 06, 2010 6:33PM EDT
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One of the most famous goals in hockey history was scored at Copps Coliseum in Hamilton when Wayne Gretzky fed Mario Lemieux for the winner in the third and deciding game of the 1987 Canada Cup against the Soviet Union.

Back then, Hamiltonians could taste the NHL coming to their town and playing games in its then state-of-the-art arena, built to bring the NHL back to Hamilton after an absence of more than 60 years. Almost a quarter century later, Copps Coliseum and Hamilton hockey fans are still waiting, perpetually teased but always denied what they believe is their destiny.

“I think some people would say that the fix is in, that the NHL is not interested in Hamilton,” said Hamilton city councillor Terry Whitehead, who initiated a subcommittee to look at attracting the NHL. “From my perspective, we have the facility, we have the location, we have the market. It would be silly for us to turn our backs at this stage of the game.”

Hamilton may not be turning its back on the NHL but the NHL has shown no interest in delivering the city a franchise, either through expansion – which Hamilton lost out on to Tampa Bay and Ottawa in 1990 – or relocation, as Research In Motion co-chief executive officer Jim Balsillie learned during his experiences trying to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators and then the Phoenix Coyotes.

“I think people tend to focus on Hamilton because there is a building there,” NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said. “I’m not sure that’s a building we have any interest in going into because it would need a substantial renovation.”

Whitehead said the arena could be brought to NHL business standards for about $100-million. Balsillie’s plan, which included a new atrium-style lobby, a ticketing area, street-level retail, expanded seating capacity to more than 18,000 and 89 luxury boxes, came in at an estimated cost of $150-million. Bettman believes the requirement would exceed $200-million.

There is little debate that hockey fans would fill the arena, renovated or not.

While Hamilton’s metro population is slightly less than 750,000 this year – smaller than Winnipeg or Quebec City – the actual market grows to about 3.2 million when the municipalities within 80 kilometres of Copps Coliseum are added in.

When Balsillie held his suite-and-ticket drive in 2007, he collected more than 12,000 down payments in less than a week. A significant portion came from addresses scattered throughout Southern Ontario, outside of Hamilton.

“The cities around Hamilton would jump onto the same bandwagon,” said Mario Lefebvre, director of the Centre for Municipal Studies at the Conference Board of Canada. “It’s a very decent market for the NHL.”

In U.S. federal bankruptcy court in Phoenix, the NHL declared that a Hamilton franchise would generate the league’s fifth highest revenue. The claim was made to protect the league’s right to a huge relocation fee, in the event Balsillie had been allowed by the court to relocate the Coyotes last year.

There are NHL governors who have told The Globe and Mail privately that the NHL should be investigating the opportunity in Hamilton. But Bettman couldn’t be less interested. He said the league’s priorities are to keep teams in their present locations, with relocation to former NHL cities as the fallback. In other words, he would favour Winnipeg or Quebec City over Hamilton for expansion or relocation.

“Despite the way it’s sometimes portrayed, we’re not sitting there sharpening our pencils and running the numbers,” Bettman said. “This is sport. This is a business that depends on an emotional connection to our teams, to our players, to our game. Is that the right place if you were to have a second team in Southern Ontario? Maybe it belongs in London, maybe it belongs in Waterloo. Who knows? That’s not anything anyone has studied. The notion that well, ‘There’s an old building there that happens to be there, let’s go,’ I don’t think that’s the way you put your franchises on the ground.”

Perhaps Bettman and the NHL really aren’t convinced Copps Coliseum could be made suitable. And perhaps, despite vouching for the market in court, they don’t see what others say is obvious about the potential of the market around Hamilton to support NHL hockey.

Or perhaps the NHL simply doesn’t want to cross swords with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres. The NHL defines territorial rights as extending 80 kilometres in all directions, meaning Hamilton sits within the defined territory of both franchises.

Another tease surfaced last week, when it was revealed that Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz is negotiating for the Copps Coliseum lease. But the city’s spurned fans believe the failure to land a team has everything to do with what lies down the Queen Elizabeth Way, in opposite directions.

“The market is very strong, extremely supportive of hockey, no doubting it at all,” University of Ottawa sports business professor Norm O’Reilly said. “The challenge becomes, you have two other franchises in that market. So it becomes a political thing.”

Russ Boychuk knows the power of the Leafs firsthand. Back in the 1980s, to stage an NHL exhibition games at Copps, the Hamilton investment manager had to pay then-Leafs owner Harold Ballard between $75,000 and $100,000.

“We’ll have to walk down the aisle with Buffalo on one hand and Toronto on the other hand,” Boychuk said. “That’s the major hurdle. Until we address that, the NHL won’t get a team. As soon as Toronto says, `We want a team in Hamilton,’ all 30 members of the board will say, ‘Yeah, it’s there.’”

Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, owner of the Maple Leafs, declined a request to be interviewed for this series of articles.
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How they decided the score:
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Market Attractiveness
Economy B
Demographics B
Market Size A+
Corporate presence B+
Overall Market Attractiveness Grade A-

Hamilton’s metro population is less than three-quarters of a million people. But there are over three million people who live within a 50-mile drive of Copps Coliseum. An optimistic economic forecast and diversifying economy, combined with the markets proven history of being willing to lay down money for the NHL, make Hamilton a very attractive market.

Franchise Viability
Potential Ownership A
Arena and Location C
Competition and Barriers to Entry D-

Jim Balsillie wants to own a Hamilton franchise but it doesn’t want him. Copps Coliseum needs a significant upgrade to be NHL-ready, anywhere from $100-$200 million depending on whom you believe. And the expressed right of the Toronto Maple Leafs to control the Southern Ontario territory, and possible NHL concerns about the Buffalo Sabres, are all negative factors.

Final Grade for Viability D-

Hamilton and surrounding cities would warmly support an NHL team. But the fact Copps Coliseum needs work combined the NHL’s anywhere-but-Hamilton attitude make this a huge uphill climb.
Hamilton got really good scores except for 2 areas... a C for Arena and Location and a D- for Competition and Barriers to Entry. The Arena can be upgraded - so that's no big deal. It's the MLSE factor that's screwing us over. Averaging out the grade would give Hamilton a much better Final Grade than a D-... but I guess the barriers have greater weight to the scoring.

It basically just states what we already know... an NHL team in Hamilton will work and will be hugely successful as one of the top franchises in the league - but MLSE will get in our way.

Oh, I almost forgot... MLSE, go f*ck yourself.

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Real scientific grading there.

A, B, A, B, C, A... so final grade, D-.

I haven't seen a bell curve that bad since university.
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Hamilton Winnipeg
Economy B B-
Demographics B C
Market size A+ C
Corporate presence B+ C+
Overall A- C+

Potential ownership A A
Arena and location C B+
Barriers to entry D- A
Overall D- B
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So far, final grade for Toronto: D-

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1628544/
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Just watched City Council approve establishing the Copps Coliseum committee again with an NHL proposal. There were no discussion just a quick vote for approval.
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Balsillie-related, WSJ's Walt Mossberg reviews RIM's Playbook:

“...this first edition of the PlayBook has no built-in cellular data connection and lacks such basic built-in apps as an e-mail program, a contacts program, a calendar, a memo pad and even RIM’s popular BlackBerry Messenger chat system.”

Battery life about 2-4 hours shy of advertised performance. Also, it has no built-in 3G, no calendar app, no memo pad app -- you have to pair it with a BlackBerry via Bluetooth, and then apps ghosted to Playbook via phone, but it will not run any existing BlackBerry apps, just apps written for its OS.
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Manitoba is about to get their team. They show 10K for their AHL games

Hamilton only gets 2500 for their AHL games. Yet some people claim this is a hockey market|?
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Manitoba is about to get their team. They show 10K for their AHL games

Hamilton only gets 2500 for their AHL games. Yet some people claim this is a hockey market|?
Sorry but I myself wouldn't go across the street to watch minor league hockey. It's either the NHL or nothing. I'd rather go watch junior hockey than the AHL. The AHL is a few young guys honing their skills to play in the NHL and a whole lot of guys who will never play in the NHL.

With 2 NHL teams within an hours drive why would anyone go to a minor league game. The Marlies attendance in Toronto sucks too and yet the Leafs sell out every game. In Winnipeg on the other hand they don't have much to choose from, it's either go to a Moose game or nothing. We have choices they don't have.
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I still think the the Hamilton Bulldogs don't get it. It ain't about now it's about developing fans. get them young and by families.
They charge too much with a $26 walk up price. Check out the other teams.
They get 10 K in Winnipeg and we get less than 2000 for a game in a play off round. They even have a $20 special price. Too little too late.
Yes it is cheaper than Toronto or Buffalo but this is AHL and those who drive to Toronto are hard core fans. The only fans in Bulldog gear are hanging around Jackson Sq or driving around in motorized wheel chairs.
I used to go to games but not worth the cost now. Better to go 46 in wide screen HD at home and get a six pack and a pizza. with money to spare.
Get some deals like Rochesrter has as I am looking at a week end over there next fall and do some shopping. Mini holiday.
I do wish the Dogs well in the play-offs.
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Manitoba is about to get their team. They show 10K for their AHL games

Hamilton only gets 2500 for their AHL games. Yet some people claim this is a hockey market|?
There are two NHL teams within 100km of Hamilton. The closest NHL team to Winnipeg is about 700km away.

http://theahl.com/stats/schedule.php...e&season_id=34

Sure, Hamilton doesn't have great attendance, but consider that a Marly's game has an average of 4,694, and the Dogs averaged 4,257. Hamilton is doing alright, considering the size of the cities.

EDIT - Anyone going to the game tonight?
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