Black Space, White Blindness

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Urbanguy

It was similar in Hawaii (at a larger scale) starting in the late 1700s when the first Chinese (1789), Portuguese, Cape Verdeans, Americans & other Europeans started to settle in the islands.

There's even a connection there between Hawaii and BC, and the rest of the Pacific Northwest (eg. Oregon country) that's rarely discussed (or little known outside those with a local/history interest) -- indigenous Hawaiians made up a sizeable portion of early outsiders that settled the PNW in the early colonial days.

https://oregonencyclopedia.org/artic.../#.W6MVgCAnaUk

https://www.nps.gov/articles/hawaiia...tvancouver.htm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle35511267/

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Urbanguy

In comparison the United States looked like this in 1910:

USA 1910
White 81,731,957 88.90%
Black 9,827,763 10.70%
Native American 265,683 0.30%
Asian 146,863 0.20%
Mixed Races N/A
Other Races and Ethnicities N/A
Total Population: 91,972,266

I didn't realize the population of Native Americans was that small back then -- only one and a half times more than the Asian American population. Both were in the 100, 000s range when white and black Americans were in the millions.

It's odd to think that despite being the indigenous inhabitants of the continent, they were not much more than the Asians, who were a fairly recent immigrant group at the time, and who were already subject to much restriction and bans from entering the US at the time of that census.

[AviationGuy]

Any guesses on when this one will be closed?

[Capsicum]

Canada really was overwhelmingly white at the time of the early to mid 1900s.

In 1941, for instance, black Canadians were only 22,174, Asian 74,064 and indigenous 125,521 though "other and not stated" were 42,028, at a time when Canada's population was over ten million. BC was probably the most racially diverse due to its Asian and Native share -- apparently BC only became majority white in the late 1800s anyways since the Pacific coast was settled so late by whites, but eastern Canada was definitely heavily white for a long time now.

Though Canada was far less racially diverse, the rank order of most populous non-white group was quite different from the US throughout most of its history.

I don't think Canada ever had a period of time in its history when Black Canadians were the most populous non-European racial group (even at the time of the Black Loyalists or the Underground Railroad) -- it's probably Native in the past all the way until very recently, then Asian now (though Canada currently doesn't use an "Asian" race grouping, counting individual ethnicity separately). Canada's almost a bit more like Australia (or less so, Hawaii in this regard) than the US this way. While the US already had people of African descent being the most populous minority at the time of Revolution I think, if not early on in the Thirteen Colonies, with the Natives no longer the most populous early on.

https://www65.statcan.gc.ca/acyb02/1...197014-eng.htm

[skyscraperpage17]

Originally Posted by AviationGuy

Any guesses on when this one will be closed?

Hopefully soon

[Urbanguy]

Originally Posted by Capsicum

There's even a connection there between Hawaii and BC, and the rest of the Pacific Northwest (eg. Oregon country) that's rarely discussed (or little known outside those with a local/history interest) -- indigenous Hawaiians made up a sizeable portion of early outsiders that settled the PNW in the early colonial days.

https://oregonencyclopedia.org/artic.../#.W6MVgCAnaUk

https://www.nps.gov/articles/hawaiia...tvancouver.htm

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle35511267/

There's a very long history of Hawaiians in the Northwest all the way up to BC, many mixed in with Native American & First Nation Tribes. There were also schools at one point that were instructed in Hawaiian. Unfortunately, there are many people that don't know that they are part-Hawaiian & many names when they were transcribed in English were anglicized so they look different than how they are spelt in Hawaii. There are also many towns and place names that are Hawaiian in origin like Kalama, Washington -- it's pronounced way different than in Hawaiian but means the "the (flaming) torch" in English to "owhyee" in Idaho after the pronunciation of Hawaii.

[Capsicum]

Originally Posted by Urbanguy

There's a very long history of Hawaiians in the Northwest all the way up to BC, many mixed in with Native American & First Nation Tribes. There were also schools at one point that were instructed in Hawaiian. Unfortunately, there are many people that don't know that they are part-Hawaiian & many names when they were transcribed in English were anglicized so they look different than how they are spelt in Hawaii. There are also many towns and place names that are Hawaiian in origin like Kalama, Washington -- it's pronounced way different than in Hawaiian but means the "the (flaming) torch" in English to "owhyee" in Idaho after the pronunciation of Hawaii.

I've even heard one explanation or claim that "Canuck", the slang term for Canadian came from the Hawaiian kanaka, due to their (the Hawaiians) presence on the west coast of BC.

However, that is only one claim among many, by one linguist (and the term Canuck was mostly used for European Canadians early on, even though it refers to all Canadians now), so I'm not sure how accurate that is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuck#Origin

[Urbanguy]

Originally Posted by Capsicum

I didn't realize the population of Native Americans was that small back then -- only one and a half times more than the Asian American population. Both were in the 100, 000s range when white and black Americans were in the millions.

It's odd to think that despite being the indigenous inhabitants of the continent, they were not much more than the Asians, who were a fairly recent immigrant group at the time, and who were already subject to much restriction and bans from entering the US at the time of that census.

It's possible that in the case of Native Americans there were under counts because by that point they were often isolated to reservations. Also, like in many other places where Europeans made contact in the Americas many native populations were often decimated by the introduction of diseases and even the common cold. This also happened in Hawaii as the native population was in the hundreds of thousands and shrank mostly due to the spread of diseases that their immune systems weren't used to so by the time the Agriculture industry took off there weren't enough to work in the fields which lead the plantation owners to recruit immigrants from all around the world. Apparently nearly 400,000 immigrants were recruited during the plantation era. Dole (Food Company) was started in Hawaii and had a huge presence. As California's economy started to grow and especially around the Gold Rush many left Hawaii to California. Many of the first Portuguese that settled in California started out in Hawaii, same with the Puerto Ricans and many of the earliest waves of immigrants from Asia and the Pacific Islands. However, there were a couple of major groups that were opportunists like the Spaniards & Portuguese that would move back and forth. Even African Americans from the south were recruited to work in Hawaii's plantations but many did not stay because the conditions were often worse & they were "free" by then.

That very long history of diverse groups of immigrants, lack of red lining of neighborhoods, segregation, openness to racial mixing, etc. gave rise to many historical firsts in the US very early on like the first Filipino Governor, first Asian (Korean) Federal Judge, first Native Hawaiian (Aboriginal) Governor, first Chinese US Senator, first Japanese Governor, first Jewish female Republican Governor, first elected Korean mayor, first Hindu congresswoman, first non-white & Asian woman elected to Congress, first Thai & Chinese Republican elected to Congress, first Cape Verdean Police Officer (1925 & among the first in the US of African descent -- the first was in 1911 in NYC) first woman & first Puerto Rican to serve as US Marshal, first non-Japanese Grand Sumo Champions/Yokozuna, first Asian-American Olympic Beach Volleyball Athlete, first Asian-American Secretary of Veterans Affairs, first Bi-racial or African American US President to a Croatian Prince that married into Hawaiian Royalty. The list goes on & on! Most people have no idea. lol Hawaii also attracted many exiles like Ferdinand Marcos (former, controversial President of the Philippines), Syngman Rhee (first President of South Korea) to Sun Yat-sen (known as the father of modern day China).

[Qubert]

Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc

Black Space, White Blindness
Why white Americans have such a hard time picturing a middle-class black neighborhood.
By Henry Grabar


Source.

Links to the studies cited in this article:

Invisible middle-class Black space: Asymmetrical person and space stereotyping at the race–class nexus

Polluting Black space.

It's hard to imagine because the powers that be like it that way. Conservative/Reactionaries because it helps to justify their racism and Liberals because to admit that minorities can and do in fact succeed would punch a gaping hole in their victimhood/race baiting path to power.