The Great Canadian 2011-2012 NHL season discussion thread - Page 106

Calgarian · #**2101** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 4:16 PM**

That Marchand hit wasn't that bad, I doubt it deserved 5 games. He deserved a penalty for not playing the puck and going right for the body though.

freeweed · #**2102** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Flamesrule

I think Feepa is talking about HFboards.... Canucks fans there, well..

Personally I take no issue with Canucks fans on this forum.

It's the ones in the Saddledome that really paint a bad picture for the rest of them. Of course, I sit in the nosebleeds (aka: the beer section) so that might have something to do with the level of class encountered.

Oh, and the water polo players. But that's past history.

Yume-sama · #**2103** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 6:36 PM**

Hm. Somehow Jacques only gets a 3 game suspension for a textbook rule 48 blind-side hit to the head. Difference? Umberger didn't get injured, I suppose.

But this is exactly the hit that the NHL has gone on about needing to eliminate, so perhaps the punishment scale makes as little sense as it did before.

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Flamesrule · #**2104** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 8:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by freeweed

Personally I take no issue with Canucks fans on this forum.

It's the ones in the Saddledome that really paint a bad picture for the rest of them. Of course, I sit in the nosebleeds (aka: the beer section) so that might have something to do with the level of class encountered.

Oh, and the water polo players. But that's past history.

Yeah, Canucks fans here are fine.

The Devils/Flames game should be a low scoring, lets hope.

mr.sandbag · #**2105** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 8:05 PM**

the biggest problem with Marchand's hit was the context it was done in, if it was any other team or game it would only have been major. given the history between these two teams and how the game was being played, this was more a 'enough is enough call'

the league got it right as well. there was intent in the hit and that's where the 5 game suspension comes from, the bruins play on that fine line between aggressive and overly aggressive, all it takes for some emotion to fuel a players style of play and get what we saw on Sat.

It's no different then Burrows getting emotional during the Stanley Cup and biting the Bruin player, he's was an agitator and the biting results from a player doing something stupid but within his style of play. Marchand is a dirty skilled player where as Burrows is an irritating skilled player.

emotion + intensity = can lead to stupidity

LeftCoaster · #**2106** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 8:25 PM**

Everyone also seems to be forgetting that Marchand is a repeat offender. The league has said repeatedly that it is going to crack down on those who do not learn.

Yume-sama · #**2107** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 9:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by mr.sandbag

the biggest problem with Marchand's hit was the context it was done in, if it was any other team or game it would only have been major. given the history between these two teams and how the game was being played, this was more a 'enough is enough call'

the league got it right as well. there was intent in the hit and that's where the 5 game suspension comes from, the bruins play on that fine line between aggressive and overly aggressive, all it takes for some emotion to fuel a players style of play and get what we saw on Sat.

It's no different then Burrows getting emotional during the Stanley Cup and biting the Bruin player, he's was an agitator and the biting results from a player doing something stupid but within his style of play. Marchand is a dirty skilled player where as Burrows is an irritating skilled player.

emotion + intensity = can lead to stupidity

The very same referee, Dan O'Rourke, was involved in the Raymond / Marchand incident in the Stanley Cup Finals (presumably more emotional than Game 40 of the regular season) and didn't see it fit to call a penalty nor did the league feel supplemental discipline was necessary, and Shanahan's only response was "that was last year, not this year". So, WRT to the repeat offender notion, it'd be a lot easier to be one if they just randomly decided things that never were before, are now suspension worthy. This video does show the point of contact in both incidents were above the knees, so *technically* clean by league rules that actually exist.

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It's very easy to assume the NHL considers a lot more than the play, now, when it comes to suspensions. Like injuries (no matter how they happen), and fan backlash.

But anyways, it clearly doesn't matter anymore.

I'm going to run with my other conspiracy theory that the league only suspends top Bruins players when their next game or 2 is against the Habs. What is this, the third time now

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Nicko999 · #**2108** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 9:16 PM**

Brad Marchand did the exact same thing to H. Sedin last year in the finals (more dangerous back then because Sedin was heading head first into the boards).

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Marchand is an idiot (and a repeat offender, I think it's his 3th suspension) and have to learn. 5 games is just fine.

Yume-sama · #**2109** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 9:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Nicko999

Brad Marchand did the exact same thing to H. Sedin last year in the finals (more dangerous back then because Sedin was heading head first into the boards).

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Marchand is an idiot (and a repeat offender, I think it's his 3th suspension) and have to learn.

Nice try, but that was also not called a penalty even though the referee was right there.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2010030414

Nicko999 · #**2110** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 9:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

Nice try, but that was also not called a penalty even though the referee was right there.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2010030414

So what? Still a dangerous play.

EDIT: I just checked the boxscore and Marchand did get a penalty.

Yume-sama · #**2111** Posted **Jan 10, 2012, 9:38 PM**

One of literally hundreds of similar unpenalized, potentially dangerous, plays I could find on Youtube.

There is very little basis for more than an interference minor, as Salo had not played the puck. But, as I said, a debate doesn't much matter now~

The referees arm was already up for a delayed penalty to Marchand, BTW, and he got an extra for roughing in the ensuing melee. The hit was not penalized.

caltrane74 · #**2112** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 2:30 AM**

4 in a row for JoGoof!

Leafs on a roll!

Yume-sama · #**2113** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 3:10 AM**

Jets look good despite the loss. Good fight between Stuart and Thornton who are really good friends off the ice. I wonder how that works out lol

And wow, what a penalty shot goal by Shawn Thornton!

BretttheRiderFan · #**2114** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 3:20 AM**

4-0 for the Flames in the first against the Devils.

Yume-sama · #**2115** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 3:21 AM**

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4-0 for the Flames in the first against the Devils.

It's a bum defenseman goal parade!

Nicko999 · #**2116** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 4:12 AM**

Nice ovation at the end of the game for Halak.

The Habs made his life easy tonight for one his easiest shutout in his career. I'll cheer for the Blues in the playoffs that's for sure.

-I've had enough with Cammalleri... when you're a sniper and you're useless defensively you have to score goals on a regular basis. 9 goals in 37 games is not good enough.
-Subban should use his brain once in a while!
-Can someone explain to me why Gill was screening Price on the second goal? Do that against the opposing goalie you POS. He's garbage at even strength.

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Yume-sama · #**2117** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 4:15 AM**

Montreal fans being gracious? Yikes, maybe the Mayans are right about 2012.

I'll just believe it was meant as a backhanded slap to Carey Price.

chrisallard5454 · #**2118** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 4:51 AM**

Point being; murder is murder. Call it straw man fallacy but it is what it is.

Yume-sama · #**2119** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 5:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by chrisallard5454

Point being; murder is murder. Call it straw man fallacy but it is what it is.

Wrong thread?

Good on the Flames for managing to survive their 4 goal lead. 6 - 3 Final!

freeweed · #**2120** Posted **Jan 11, 2012, 6:32 AM**

Wow, what a bizarre game. 6 goals on 14 shots. That has to be the worst save percentage for a team I've ever seen live, if not ever. I wonder if anyone has stats on the worst per-game save percentages to compare against. Chased Brodeur after 2 goals on 4 shots but his replacement was equally soft.

Both teams got a Gordie Howe hat trick too, something else you don't see very often.