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This report claims YYC-YHZ will be among the first couple of routes to get the 737 MAX, which seems unlikely for a couple of reasons. We'll have to wait till flights get loaded on the sked.

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This route (YYC-YHZ-EDI) would give over 20 hours a day utilization, and the loss in directness is made up for with the gain in fuel efficiency cost wise.
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I don't doubt that. Just considering the loads on YYC-YHZ right now, the fact that it's Rouged, and doesn't even fly in the winter... it's somewhat surprising that it'd be one of the first routes to get MAX.

Cage, if MAX flies to Europe from YHZ, surely that aircraft originates in YYZ? Or AC668 YUL-YHZ would be a good candidate to continue on to Europe with a ~8 pm arrival in Halifax.
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There is a lot of inaccuracies with the report.
1) The early max8 aircraft are replacing the mainline 319s according to the revised AC fleet plan.
2) Second to depart will be the oldest 320s.
3) Last to depart will be the 321s. This is why the 321s are first aircraft to receive the new livery.
4) first route for the max8 will be YUL-YYZ rapidair. This route is chock-a-block with Airbus narrowbody flights and the short sector allows for new pilots to be quickly qualified (pilots have to complete a certain number of take offs and landings).
5) the max8 will be based at YYZ. I expect lots of transcons from YYZ to be moved to max8. YYZ-YYJ is a strong option, but not the YYC-YHZ and YUL-YYJ flights. Also expect YYZ to California new routes on the max8.
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Cage, if MAX flies to Europe from YHZ, surely that aircraft originates in YYZ? Or AC668 YUL-YHZ would be a good candidate to continue on to Europe with a ~8 pm arrival in Halifax.
The aircraft would originate in YYZ for a max run to Europe. That said, there is zero chance that AC would operate a European narrowbody bank at YHZ.

Currently AC's only TransAt narrowbody service is YYT-LHR. With narrowbody J service more like premium economy than international J, there is case to be made the service should be rouged. Additional narrowbody TransAt services would only amplify the problem.
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5) the max8 will be based at YYZ. I expect lots of transcons from YYZ to be moved to max8. YYZ-YYJ is a strong option, but not the YYC-YHZ and YUL-YYJ flights.
AC has never operated YUL-YYJ non stop. They just might with the Max8.
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4) first route for the max8 will be YUL-YYZ rapidair. This route is chock-a-block with Airbus narrowbody flights and the short sector allows for new pilots to be quickly qualified (pilots have to complete a certain number of take offs and landings).
My interpretation was that they were referring to the first routes after the typical Rapidair deployment.

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AC has never operated YUL-YYJ non stop. They just might with the Max8.
Cage meant to say YYZ-YYJ... but I wouldn't think the MAX will be what enables YUL-YYJ. They could have done that with a 319 at any point if they wanted to, and haven't. If anything, it's the CS300 that would have them looking at something like YUL-YYJ.
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Cage meant to say YYZ-YYJ... but I wouldn't think the MAX will be what enables YUL-YYJ. They could have done that with a 319 at any point if they wanted to, and haven't. If anything, it's the CS300 that would have them looking at something like YUL-YYJ.
The Brent Jang article mentions the following:

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He envisages the plane taking on routes such as Victoria-Toronto, Victoria-Montreal and Calgary-Halifax. Trans-border routes into the United States are also on the radar, as are destinations in Mexico and the Caribbean. - See more at: https://www.skiesmag.com/features/ai....uVTwRckQ.dpuf
The He in this case is Duncan Bureau, a VP at AC who also used to do the same job at WS. Bureau has been in the biz long enough to know that you don't disclose the strategic plan to a reporter but you do have to come up with something exciting that is pertinent to the situation.
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AC has never operated YUL-YYJ non stop. They just might with the Max8.
I don't see the Max aircraft being well suited for YUL beyond the existing peak time transcon services. However the CS300 is much better plane to base out of YUL. Especially with the Centre for Excellence maintenance base being set up by BBD at YUL.
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There is a lot of inaccuracies with the report.
1) The early max8 aircraft are replacing the mainline 319s according to the revised AC fleet plan.
2) Second to depart will be the oldest 320s.
I'm surprised they would replace the A319s first. The oldest is about 20 years, whereas the oldest A320 is pushing 28. Unless they want to shift the A319s to Rouge quickly, maybe?
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I'm surprised they would replace the A319s first. The oldest is about 20 years, whereas the oldest A320 is pushing 28. Unless they want to shift the A319s to Rouge quickly, maybe?
It's more that the A319s at mainline are less efficient than the A320s in terms of CASM.
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I'm surprised they would replace the A319s first. The oldest is about 20 years, whereas the oldest A320 is pushing 28. Unless they want to shift the A319s to Rouge quickly, maybe?
The A319 is marketable (ETA) to other airlines and leasing companies because the aircraft has a lot of life left (/ETA), where as the AC A320s are not even worth scrap/salvage value. The A319 is also an orphan subfleet at mainline.

There will be no more narrowbody aircraft at rouge for the time being. I could see AC replacing a few rouge 319s with 321s on a 1:1 basis.
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