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Old Posted Nov 25, 2019, 6:57 PM
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Random flight, but UA is going to run AUS-ECP leaving March 14th, and returning March 21st
Hmm....wonder why they would do that...
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 3:42 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...rnational.html

Top unserved (non-direct) international destinations from Austin:

Tokyo
Seoul
Paris
Shanghai
Beijing
Dublin

#3 is getting at least one direct flight next year and hopefully AF/Delta jump on it as well.

Hopefully we pick up #1 or #2 for 2021 as well.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 4:24 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...rnational.html

Top unserved (non-direct) international destinations from Austin:

Tokyo
Seoul
Paris
Shanghai
Beijing
Dublin

#3 is getting at least one direct flight next year and hopefully AF/Delta jump on it as well.

Hopefully we pick up #1 or #2 for 2021 as well.
Yes!!! please let it be Tokyo and please let it be by Summer of 2021 when I'll be going. I had a strong feeling that we had a good connection in terms of demand for Tokyo for a couple of reasons which I have stated in the past on this thread but this verifies what I've already suspected.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 4:53 PM
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Yes!!! please let it be Tokyo and please let it be by Summer of 2021 when I'll be going. I had a strong feeling that we had a good connection in terms of demand for Tokyo for a couple of reasons which I have stated in the past on this thread but this verifies what I've already suspected.
From the article...

A nonstop route to Asia is certainly on the minds of the Austin business community as the city's growth becomes more entwined with international capital and technology. "Our best information is that ... 2021 might be a good year to expect our first nonstop transpacific flight," Greater Austin Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Mike Rollins said this month.

I've heard several times 2021 being cited by the GACC.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 7:28 PM
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Lyn Estabrook, who is with the Planning & Engineering Department at the Austin-Bergstrom International Airport, sits down with Austin Monitor reporter Jessi Devenyns to answer all of your questions about Austin’s airport. Listen in below to hear about how the airport is planning for the future and managing the growth of today.

https://www.austinmonitor.com/storie...or-radio-abia/

If you follow the thread most of what's discussed in the interview has been addressed.

A few things of note:

Master plan has been provisionally approved at the regional level and awaiting approval at the national level. It's delayed at the national level because the position that approves it is currently vacant and needs to be appointed by the President.

She advised don't anticipate seeing "cranes" at the airport until 2022. Discouraging to say the least IMO.
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Old Posted Nov 26, 2019, 10:05 PM
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She advised don't anticipate seeing "cranes" at the airport until 2022. Discouraging to say the least IMO.
That is pretty close to the ideal schedule in the master plan with construction starting in Summer 2021. They had planned on the master plan be approved 6 months ago so that's possible for the delay.

Hopefully they still start demolishing the parking garage in 2021.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 1:31 AM
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Passenger numbers listed from the article, from September 2018 to August 2019.

Tokyo- 13,220
Seoul- 12,981
Paris- 12,610
Shanghai- 4,921
Beijing- 4,831
Dublin- 4,716
Rome- 4,181
Tel Aviv- 3,994
Taipei- 3,977
Sao Paulo- 3,777

So roughly 36 people per day fly from Austin-Tokyo. Nonstop flights usually account for 10% growth to a destination, and counting connections that can be made to other Asian cities, Asia may be in sight for AUS. Looking at old data from 2011, AUS-Tokyo had 4,400 passengers per year, so impressive growth.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 7:16 PM
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what is the "magic number" a destination needs before it becomes obvious to a carrier to add it as a non-stop? if there is one.

Seems to me that 13k seems low. only 250 passengers per week.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 8:26 PM
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what is the "magic number" a destination needs before it becomes obvious to a carrier to add it as a non-stop? if there is one.

Seems to me that 13k seems low. only 250 passengers per week.
This number doesn't include all of the connecting passengers the route will create. I don't know an exact number of how many extra passengers that would be. But I am sure it would be a considerable amount.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 9:31 PM
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what is the "magic number" a destination needs before it becomes obvious to a carrier to add it as a non-stop? if there is one.

Seems to me that 13k seems low. only 250 passengers per week.
These numbers are just those going thru the Austin airport. I'm sure that once one or two Asian flights get going we'll pull from Temple/Waco/Killeen, San Antonio/South Texas and maybe even areas closer to Houston that don't want to fight Bush Airport. Just my humble opinion that's not based on anything 'cept...well...my humble opinion.
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Old Posted Nov 27, 2019, 10:37 PM
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These numbers are just those going thru the Austin airport. I'm sure that once one or two Asian flights get going we'll pull from Temple/Waco/Killeen, San Antonio/South Texas and maybe even areas closer to Houston that don't want to fight Bush Airport. Just my humble opinion that's not based on anything 'cept...well...my humble opinion.
Well, it wouldn't be just that. It would also include people connecting from cities that aren't within driving distance.
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 5:01 PM
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Well, it wouldn't be just that. It would also include people connecting from cities that aren't within driving distance.
I would assume most of our flights will have limited connections to them. Most of those would go through larger hubs still (when it the last time you connected to CDG through Indianapolis). There will be *some* connecting traffic in Austin, but not much.

The bigger get will be people flying into either Tokyo or Seoul and connecting to the rest of Asia.

If you could pull 60-70% of those going from Austin to Seoul, Beijing, Shanghai, Taipei and other ancillary Asian destinations that are currently connecting elsewhere... and have them fly AUS-NRT-??? mark than you could be looking at numbers that start to make sense for a route.

That said, I am a princess and I want a flight to HND so that I can avoid the trip to NRT.
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 8:43 PM
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Correct me if I’m wrong but due to international partnerships wouldn’t a connection to Tokyo be in American and United’s best interest while Seoul would be in Deltas?
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 10:14 PM
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Actually, I believe NRT is considered a International Hub of Delta's. I pretty sure Delta metal is more prevalent at NRT than at ICN. Having said that, Delta does have a strong partnership with Korean (thus, the lack of Delta metal there).

But, yes. American (and it's partner JAL) and United have a large presence at NRT.
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2019, 10:43 PM
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Actually, I believe NRT is considered a International Hub of Delta's. I pretty sure Delta metal is more prevalent at NRT than at ICN. Having said that, Delta does have a strong partnership with Korean (thus, the lack of Delta metal there).

But, yes. American (and it's partner JAL) and United have a large presence at NRT.
NRT was a hub for DL until recently, all NRT flights are being moved to HND. I agree with StoOgE that I would much rather have a flight to HND than NRT. My family and I flew into HND a few months back and the airport is pretty close to the main downtown of Tokyo, 15min versus over an hour from NRT.
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NRT was a hub for DL until recently, all NRT flights are being moved to HND. I agree with StoOgE that I would much rather have a flight to HND than NRT. My family and I flew into HND a few months back and the airport is pretty close to the main downtown of Tokyo, 15min versus over an hour from NRT.
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...aneda-in-2020/
Okay. Didn't know that. Thanks.

HND would obviously be better regarding proximity to central Tokyo. However, I don't think Austin will get one of the very valuable slots and aren't connections throughout Asia better at NRT than HND???
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Okay. Didn't know that. Thanks.

HND would obviously be better regarding proximity to central Tokyo. However, I don't think Austin will get one of the very valuable slots and aren't connections throughout Asia better at NRT than HND???
Yes, onward connections are better at NRT than HND, but the latter is better for O&D. Tokyo really messed up IMO not building a more centralized main airport than can handle both domestic and international.

I continue to believe Korean Air makes the most sense for AUS’s foray into the transpacific market. They only have one flight in the whole state compared to multiple for the American/Japan Airlines and United/All Nippon Airways joint ventures which cover Dallas and Houston respectively.
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Yes, onward connections are better at NRT than HND, but the latter is better for O&D. Tokyo really messed up IMO not building a more centralized main airport than can handle both domestic and international.
HND does almost 90 million passengers a year and is the 5th busiest airport in the world. I think it's safe to say it's full.
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2019, 9:46 PM
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HND does almost 90 million passengers a year and is the 5th busiest airport in the world. I think it's safe to say it's full.
HND is great. NRT is too far out. They should have built it closer to where Disney is. Other side of the city from HND still, but with bad connections you can be 1:30 out from getting to NRT.

I've nearly missed two flights taking the Skyliner which is a necessity if you aren't staying near Shinjuku or Tokyo Station. The N'ex is ok, but doesn't have enough departure times for early flights.
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HND is great. NRT is too far out. They should have built it closer to where Disney is. Other side of the city from HND still, but with bad connections you can be 1:30 out from getting to NRT.

I've nearly missed two flights taking the Skyliner which is a necessity if you aren't staying near Shinjuku or Tokyo Station. The N'ex is ok, but doesn't have enough departure times for early flights.
There is an airforce base west of HND so they need as much eastern airspace as they can get. I think the Japanese know what they are doing when it comes to infrastructure.
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