Buildings That Need A Reclad And Or Renovation - Page 3

Innsertnamehere · #41 Posted **Oct 27, 2010, 12:19 AM**

personally, I like the new corners on that building, as it makes the building seem taller with the vertical lines!

Flamesrule · #42 Posted **Oct 29, 2010, 8:40 PM**

Well in the tallest building in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, (100 some meters) 333 Market Street needs a cleanup.

link:http://www.emporis.com/application/?nav=image&id=669975

Trantor · #43 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 2:21 PM**

basically every damn building in downtown Porto Alegre

now... I dont support showing the original building caractheristics just to make it look modern. Like people here saying the Willis Tower should be changed and all. There are ALREADY other 21sth century looking towers in Chicago (like Trump Tower itself), why the hell change Willis Tower? It was built in the 70s.

In fact, there are a lot of suggestions in the first post of this thread that make my eyes roll...

this is an example of a mediocre retrofit in Porto Alegre

and here a photo that I found showing partially the old façade. It was ugly and in bad state, but they COMPLETELY changed the original architecture! And for what? For an unimpressive stupid mirrored façade. With four white stripes.

the building right by the side is a much more sucessful example. They renovated it but kept the original 50s caractheristics.

Trantor · #44 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 2:30 PM**

some buildings I would like to see recladed

Santa Cruz building (weird 1970s colors and external air conditioning devices)

Centro Administrativo do Estado

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/4667203

and a building that just needs a good cleaning and renovation:
"New" Porto Alegre City Hall (its from the 40s, so its not that new)

The_Architect · #45 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 4:56 PM**

I may get internet-slapped for this, but (sorry america), I think the UN Headquarters is starting to look a bit rough.. I don't think it needs a re-clad per say, it just needs come cleaning up.
I was there in August and I personally was underwhelmed.

pj3000 · #46 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 5:29 PM**

Unless done for structural safety or cleaning purposes, I find reclads which attempt to make buildings look more "aesthetically pleasing" by drastically altering the original architectural intent of the design to be disingenuous. For example, just because we generally find brutalist buildings to be ugly now, it does not mean that they should be "improved" in the present time by covering them with a prettier, greenish-blue glass curtain-wall facade. I actually find a lot of 1980s monolithic blue reflective glass buildings to be so boring, that they basically represent the generic strip mall of the skyscraper world.

There are plenty of ugly, plain concrete high-rises and there are also plenty of boring boxes covered in shimmering glass... either way, homogeneity is bad in my opinion.

Also, some of the suggestions for reclad in this thread are baffling.

CGII · #47 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Architect

I may get internet-slapped for this, but (sorry america), I think the UN Headquarters is starting to look a bit rough.. I don't think it needs a re-clad per say, it just needs come cleaning up.
I was there in August and I personally was underwhelmed.

The facade is in the process of being replaced as we speak.

The_Architect · #48 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 6:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by CGII

The facade is in the process of being replaced as we speak.

Oh! I did not know that..
Anybody have any pictures?

Aleks · #49 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 7:44 PM**

Wow, that Centro Administrativo is beautiful! I'm afraid that the result of a reclad would make it look... boring! like that example you gave us with the four stripes. I mean, can you imagine it with just a flat shiny wall? i cant (well i can, but i dont want to)!

if it was to get a reclad they should keep the window panels size the same so that it looks the way it was meant to and make the glass' reflection minimum. and the horizontal dividers should be kept the same as well, but painted white like the flat sides imo.

Coldrsx · #50 Posted **Nov 9, 2010, 9:48 PM**

Just had a wonderful presentation here in Edmonton on the Peter W. Rodino modernization and reclad in Newark by Dattner Architects.

Before

(http://www.stauntonchow.com/IMAGES/MECH/M002.jpg)

After

(http://www.coolcalmconstructed.com/w..._rendering.jpg)

stormkingfan · #51 Posted **Nov 10, 2010, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by SkyscrapersOfNewYork

i agree,id even give a more modern look to those fins on the top

With the fins and the vertical aluminum braces, I would just leave this building as is. The braces still have that NY look, and the fins have long served as a unmistakable signature to Midtown's skyline.

Trantor · #52 Posted **Nov 10, 2010, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by Aleks

Wow, that Centro Administrativo is beautiful! I'm afraid that the result of a reclad would make it look... boring! like that example you gave us with the four stripes. I mean, can you imagine it with just a flat shiny wall? i cant (well i can, but i dont want to)!

if it was to get a reclad they should keep the window panels size the same so that it looks the way it was meant to and make the glass' reflection minimum. and the horizontal dividers should be kept the same as well, but painted white like the flat sides imo.

no, no, I would in no way support such kind of recladding of it.

but one thing I sure would support would be to remove those small external air conditioning units. Also, the horizontal concrete stripes between the windows seem to have some non uniform painting... dont know why, like if maybe some parts were dirty/stained, and they painted over, and didnt notice the new paint resulted in a slightly different color?

I dont have anything against recladding/renovation as long as you try to maintain the architecture, or if the original architecture is too hideous (and was ALWAYS hideous, even when it was built), the resulting retrofit is not something bland and boring...

Anyway, its the State Administrative Center, and the State is always short on funds (including the time when it was built in the 60s... the original project was quite taller)... its an iconic building in the city though, so it deserves care.

Trantor · #53 Posted **Nov 10, 2010, 1:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Just had a wonderful presentation here in Edmonton on the Peter W. Rodino modernization and reclad in Newark by Dattner Architects.

Before

(http://www.stauntonchow.com/IMAGES/MECH/M002.jpg)

After

(http://www.coolcalmconstructed.com/w..._rendering.jpg)

so they added a sort of "crown", removed the old glasses, but kept the entire structure and then put a glass curtain OVER the old structure?

WMrapids · #54 Posted **Nov 10, 2010, 11:08 PM**

Here's a hospital in Grand Rapids that needs a reclad real bad. There is so much new development around it that this really sticks out.

Butterworth Hospital

Source: http://www.glsroof.com/bwlob.htm

Coldrsx · #55 Posted **Nov 11, 2010, 1:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Trantor

so they added a sort of "crown", removed the old glasses, but kept the entire structure and then put a glass curtain OVER the old structure?

A crown as a sort of modern 'capital' with a 50 KV PV array.

Added a structure and yes, added high performance curtain wall with louvered windows to draw in air or release air.

Energy savings, including interior and mech changes, will be around 55% over the current base case.