NEW YORK | One Vanderbilt | 1,401 FT | 58 FLOORS

[BrownTown]

Originally Posted by tdawg

I'm still perplexed as to why this is only 58 stories.

Because the rise in income inequality means these office towers aren't about efficiency anymore, they're about dick measuring. They're all just about projecting an image of wealth.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

They're all just about projecting an image of wealth.

If projecting wealth means stunning towers gracing the skyline, and appeasing us architecture junkies, than let them project the image of wealth to death.

In the end, who really cares.

And besides, power and wealth is what helps build NY. It takes that alone to build housing for the masses. I'd rather they build a skyscraper than get square footage out in the burbs in Long Island or NJ. Towers > Office Parks.

When it comes to headquarters, clients want the best. And yes, they do want a tower that shows their status and power.

[Bill Ditnow]

As as I look at the models of this rather astonishing structure, it occurs to me that this, with some variations (a more robust spire?) would have been a perfect replacement for 1 World Trade. It seems to me to embody the Libeskind conception of a skyscraper abstractly mirroring the Statue of Liberty.

[Bill Ditnow]

Originally Posted by chris08876

If projecting wealth means stunning towers gracing the skyline, and appeasing us architecture junkies, than let them project the image of wealth to death.

Appeasing architecture junkies is not a valid social policy.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

Because the rise in income inequality means these office towers aren't about efficiency anymore, they're about dick measuring. They're all just about projecting an image of wealth.

Really? And if these floor heights had been just a little bit shorter, then that would satisfy your projection criteria? Nonsense, all of it.

Originally Posted by Bill Ditnow

Appeasing architecture junkies is not a valid social policy.

And since when is building a skyscraper a basis for social policy? These towers are being built to demand, and the best want the best. It's why New York is a home to so many companies that require office space to begin with. This district is filled with aging towers, and the exodus of companies to other locations that are building modern office towers show just how important this tower is to the district, which has been rezoned to encourage and allow for modern office space to be built.

[LMich]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

Because the rise in income inequality means these office towers aren't about efficiency anymore, they're about dick measuring. They're all just about projecting an image of wealth.

"Anymore?" This is so off topic, but the Empire State Building, Chrylser, etc...were about efficiency? Like, it's bad enough you're trying to inject that kind of discussion into this thread, but you're not even trying to make sense with the argument. Get out of here with that foolishness. Hell, these new buildings are more about efficiency than the cathedral skyscrapers of old.

[chris08876]

Speaking of efficiency, this tower is LEED seeking as well. IF we recall, Bank Of America received LEED Platinum which means its extremely energy/resource efficient.

On the topic of floors, clients demand or prefer large floor space and high ceilings. A far cry to lets say the ESB or GE Building with its short floors. The difference in ceiling heights in modern towers versus the older pre-wars is why the floor count is much lower.

From a developer standpoint, if they can cover the initial investment, and recoup the loss via rents, than the building is successful. Vanderbilt, 30 Hudson, 10 Hudson, and One57 to name a few, are a success because of excellent sales/pre-completion leases. Guaranteeing profitability.

Remember that towers are a business. They won't be built... even if affordable in their intention, without a profit motive. So the whole "dick measuring" concept goes out the window. Supply and demand people. If you want dick measuring, go to Dubai or China. Here in NY, we believe in risk management!

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by BrownTown

Because the rise in income inequality means these office towers aren't about efficiency anymore, they're about dick measuring. They're all just about projecting an image of wealth.

There are a few problems with this post.

Firstly, "anymore". Were they ever about efficiency? Do you think the Empire State Building was built with LEED status in mind, or do you think that in the past, there was less of an emphasis on environmentally friendly design than there is today.

Secondly, what the hell are you doing on a forum revolving around skyscrapers if you take issue with the purported reason why they're built in the first place?

Thirdly, if 1VB was about erecting Steven L. Green's penis, he would have kept the original roof height at 1388 feet, so he could claim that his tower was the tallest office tower in the city. As is were, the revised and final plans are for a structure a good 80 feet shorter than 1WTC, and to the pinnacle, won't be as tall as the ESB.

Fourthly, these kinds of buildings have always been about projecting wealth, even if some of them missed the mark. What, do you think the spire erected on the Chrysler Building had any kind of real purpose to it, or do you think it might have had something to do with 40 Wall Street being built downtown, and Walter Chrysler's desire to claim "tallest building in the world" and thus, implicitly, an image of power and wealth.

Fifthly, how does income inequality have anything to do with tall office towers?

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[NYguy]

^ And we're back at it.

[Bill Ditnow]

Originally Posted by NYguy

And since when is building a skyscraper a basis for social policy? These towers are being built to demand, and the best want the best. It's why New York is a home to so many companies that require office space to begin with. This district is filled with aging towers, and the exodus of companies to other locations that are building modern office towers show just how important this tower is to the district, which has been rezoned to encourage and allow for modern office space to be built.

Did I say anything to suggest that I disliked this tower or opposed its construction? Did you read my post just prior to the one that you quoted here?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Bill Ditnow

Did I say anything to suggest that I disliked this tower or opposed its construction? Did you read my post just prior to the one that you quoted here?

I don't care what you posted before.

Originally Posted by Bill Ditnow

Appeasing architecture junkies is not a valid social policy.

If you don't mean something, don't post it. And stop trying to derail this thread. You could have sent a PM.



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[BoM Trespasser]

Of course the city was involved but let's not forget the owners of the building are making over $200M of improvements to mass transit connections.

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by Submariner

There are a few problems with this post.

Firstly, "anymore". Were they ever about efficiency? Do you think the Empire State Building was built with LEED status in mind, or do you think that in the past, there was less of an emphasis on environmentally friendly design than there is today.

Secondly, what the hell are you doing on a forum revolving around skyscrapers if you take issue with the purported reason why they're built in the first place?

Thirdly, if 1VB was about erecting Steven L. Green's penis, he would have kept the original roof height at 1388 feet, so he could claim that his tower was the tallest office tower in the city. As is were, the revised and final plans are for a structure a good 80 feet shorter than 1WTC, and to the pinnacle, won't be as tall as the ESB.

Fourthly, these kinds of buildings have always been about projecting wealth, even if some of them missed the mark. What, do you think the spire erected on the Chrysler Building had any kind of real purpose to it, or do you think it might have had something to do with 40 Wall Street being built downtown, and Walter Chrysler's desire to claim "tallest building in the world" and thus, implicitly, an image of power and wealth.

Fifthly, how does income inequality have anything to do with tall office towers?

just out of idol curiosity, who would win in an undersea ocean battle, submariner or aquaman?

[TowerDude]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

just out of idol curiosity, who would win in an undersea ocean battle, submariner or aquaman?

Idle curiosity, not Idol ...

And Sub-Mariner would beat the stuffing out of Aquaman.

[TBone7281]

Originally Posted by TowerDude

Idle curiosity, not Idol ...

And Sub-Mariner would beat the stuffing out of Aquaman.

What if it was a pun?

[NYguy]

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[Submariner]

Originally Posted by TowerDude

Idle curiosity, not Idol ...

And Sub-Mariner would beat the stuffing out of Aquaman.

Maybe he has a thing for Billy Idol.

[artspook]

". . and to the pinnacle, won't be as tall as the ESB.". .
- submariner (from above)

. . really ? . . isn't 1401ft, taller than the ESB ? . .
it's so disappointing for this beautiful new 21st century emulation of the ESB . .
not to be taller than that 20th century giant . .

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by artspook

". . and to the pinnacle, won't be as tall as the ESB.". .
- submariner (from above)

. . really ? . . isn't 1401ft, taller than the ESB ? . .
it's so disappointing for this beautiful new 21st century emulation of the ESB . .
not to be taller than that 20th century giant . .

Yes, the antenna of the ESB will be higher than both One Vanderbilt and 30 Hudson. It was once even higher than it is now. But that's why we don't count antennas in heights. Who knows how long the antenna will be the height that it is now. The top of the building, however, doesn't change. The ESB will always stand 1,250 ft., as it has since the day it was built. Anything taller than that is taller.