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[NYguy]

http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/s...18-ft-building

Seaport Developer Has Eyes on Site for a 1,018-ft. Building


By AMANDA WOODS
Mar. 31, 2014

Howard Hughes Corp., the developer that is proposing a controversial 50-story building north of Pier 17, says it is also considering putting up a second, even taller tower about three blocks away.

The hotel and residential tower, which can be more than 1,000 feet high, would be built at 80 South Street. Hughes Corp. says that project is in addition to its proposed 600-foot residential tower that opponents insist is out of character with the surrounding Seaport Historic District.

In a statement issued on March 26, Hughes Corp. executive Chris Curry confirmed the developer’s interest in the project, saying it is “reaffirming our belief in the future of the area by expanding our investment.”

A project at 80 South Street had been in the works by another developer, Cord Meyer, which has opted to sell the site and plans to the Hughes Corp. The Department of City Planning has ap­proved an air rights transfer for a soaring tower at the site, close to Imagination Playground, Pier 15, and the historic ships at Pier 16 as well as the mall that Hughes Corp. is building on Pier 17.

The most recent design, by Morali Architects, is for a 1,018-foot structure. -
Although Hughes Corp. maintains that it is interested in going forward with both buildings, some believe that the developer views 80 South Street as an alternative to their initial project (to be built on the site of the New Market Building), in case it got rejected.

In an email to the Trib, Borough President Gale Brewer, a co-chair of the working group, described the possibility of Hughes developing 80 South Street as “certainly interesting.”

Robert LaValva, the president of the Seaport’s New Amsterdam Market and a leading opponent of the Hughes Corp.’s plans, commended the developer’s proposal for 80 South Street, saying in a statement that “it also provides a great opportunity” for the city to rethink the Hughes Corp.’s proposed 50-foot tower. Hughes Corp. has said that tower is necessary in order to fund the restoration of the landmark Tin Building, build a marina and extend the East River esplanade through the Seaport.

[Michael12374]

Whoever AlexConnorBrown is, he's on a roll with the diagram updates!

[ChiTownWonder]

hope this one is built. Lower Manhattan needs a supertall other than the WTC

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by ChiTownWonder

hope this one is built. Lower Manhattan needs a supertall other than the WTC

4WTC is just a few feet off the mark, and 3WTC construction has resumed, so it will have at the very least, two (and almost three)

[NYguy]

http://www.citylab.com/design/2014/0...ywhere/373493/

Why Can't We Build Skinny Skyscrapers Everywhere?
The limits to how tall and thin towers can be has more to do with markets than engineers.

KRISTON CAPPS
June 26, 2014

SHoP—the firm that designed the Barclays Center as well the forthcoming Domino Sugar Refinery development, both in Brooklyn— is responsible for what may be New York's, and the world's, skinniest supertall...With an aspect ratio of 1:23—that's the ratio of the longest dimension of the building to the narrowest—111 W. 57th St. is a true needle.

...these superskinnies are unique—a "registration of the market," as Chakrabarti calls them. "It is a typology that’s happening, no question," he says, noting that SHoP has at least two more supertalls coming to New York.

Originally Posted by NYguy

http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/s...18-ft-building

Seaport Developer Has Eyes on Site for a 1,018-ft. Building

By AMANDA WOODS
Mar. 31, 2014

Howard Hughes Corp., the developer that is proposing a controversial 50-story building north of Pier 17, says it is also considering putting up a second, even taller tower about three blocks away.

The hotel and residential tower, which can be more than 1,000 feet high, would be built at 80 South Street.

It occurs to me that this would be a highly likely location for a SHoP designed tower. They designed both versions of the Seaport tower, and are currently working with the Hughes Corp. If Hughes does in fact do take on development of this tower, I could easily see SHoP on it. Or any other developer for that matter.

[chris08876]

Hunser will be pleased. Another two to add in the supertall thread when the time comes. Once all of these supertalls are built, the city will hold the 2nd place slot for most supertalls. Dubai currently has 28 either completed or u/c which is crazy. Its also crazy that Emporis lists 614 planned structures for that city.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Once all of these supertalls are built, the city will hold the 2nd place slot for most supertalls. Dubai currently has 28 either completed or u/c which is crazy. Its also crazy that Emporis lists 614 planned structures for that city.

It's not too crazy what's going on in Dubai. It's been the "theme park" of supertall skyscraper development for a while now, not so much a city that's rising.

What's going on in Manhattan is like a skyscraper development madness not seen in the city for nearly a century. Sure, the city's skyline has continued to expand, and its one of the first things people think of when they think of New York. But this rise above the skyline is something that hasn't been seen in the city since the 1920's and 30's.

I hope that if SHoP does design this tower, it's somethng that people will look back on decades from now as one of those "classic" New York towers built during what will be a memorable era of skyscraper building.

[sparkling]

By Mark Maurer

Texas-based real estate development firm Howard Hughes Corporation picked up another site in the Financial District’s South Street Seaport historic district – this time, an eight-story rental property at 85 South Street. Ralph Tawil’s Centurion Realty sold the 54,000-square-foot building last week for $20 million – double what the firm paid in 2004. The property, between Fletcher and John streets, holds 24 apartments and a ground-floor retail space occupied by high-end dog daycare and spa Fetch Club. The off-market deal does not include air rights. Queens-based Cord Meyer Development acquired the 60,000 square feet in air rights for $12 million in 2008. Including those rights, the site offers 114,000 buildable square feet, records show. As of January, the estimated annual retail revenue at 85 South Street was $135,407, according to The Real Deal‘s analysis of Syrian Jewish investment in New York City retail. The building sits roughly two blocks south of South Street Seaport, which Howard Hughes is redeveloping to include a 50-story, 300,000-square-foot condo-hotel tower next to Pier 17. Earlier this year, Cord Meyer entered contract to sell an 8,128-square-foot parcel at 80 South Street to Howard Hughes, as previously reported. Representatives of Howard Hughes declined to comment on whether the firm has specific development plans for 85 South Street. “The Howard Hughes Corporation is committed to revitalizing the iconic South Street Seaport district,” a spokesperson for Howard Hughes said in a statement. “Our immediate priority is the rebuilding of Pier 17 — bringing exceptional shopping, dining, culture and entertainment retail back to the storied district – and advancing our proposed mixed-use project with its vital investments in this amazing neighborhood.” Meanwhile, Centurion has been selling off some of its assets across Manhattan. Last week, the Tawil family sold two retail buildings in Midtown for $40 million, as TRD reported. “Now that these latest sales are behind us, we are looking forward to announcing new additions to our high street retail portfolio in the near future,” Tawil said. - See more at: http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/10/....IR78tBLn.dpuf

[NYguy]

http://www.rew-online.com/2015/01/08...rcel-for-100m/

Howard Hughes buys South Street parcel for $100M


JANUARY 8, 2015
By Konrad Putzier

The Howard Hughes Corporation has dished out $100 million for 80 South Street, a site just south of its planned (and controversial) Seaport tower.

The parcel, currently a five-story walkup, will likely be turned into another skyscraper. Queens developer Cord Meyer had previously secured the City Planning Commission’s approval of a 300,000-s/f hotel and residential tower designed by Morali Architects. Meyer later decided to sell the proposal and the site to Howard Hughes. The deal has now closed, according to property records.

Development of the 8,128-s/f parcel has been discussed for years. Frank Sciame had initially designed a tower with 10 townhome cubes for the site, but the project was shuttered during the recession.

With the purchase, Howard Hughes has cemented its position as of the dominant landlords around the South Street Seaport. In October, the Texas-based firm bought the 54,000-s/f rental building 85 South Street for $20 million.

The firm also plans to build a 495-foot tall condo and hotel tower and a mall at Pier 17, about two blocks north of 80 South Street, as part of its South Street Seaport development. The Seaport tower has run into fierce opposition from the local community board.

[hunser]

I don't know but I have a feeling something magnificent will rise here, especially if SHoP is the architect.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by hunser

I don't know but I have a feeling something magnificent will rise here, especially if SHoP is the architect.

I agree. SHoP has become one of my favorites at the moment. They've shown that you can be different, yet still respectful of New York.

[JR Ewing]

Originally Posted by hunser

I don't know but I have a feeling something magnificent will rise here, especially if SHoP is the architect.

I concur!

[sparkling]

Originally Posted by hunser

I don't know but I have a feeling something magnificent will rise here, especially if SHoP is the architect.

I can see Shop designing a tower the majority of us will deem "magnificent" but have great doubts it will actually get built anytime soon. Just my 50 cents since I sold my crystal ball the other day

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by sparkling

I can see Shop designing a tower the majority of us will deem "magnificent" but have great doubts it will actually get built anytime soon. Just my 50 cents since I sold my crystal ball the other day

Depends on what you mean by "any time soon". No actual proposal has been presented yet (we're assuming its ShoP), so regardless of the arthictect, I wouldn't expect it to be built soon. Within the next few years (2016-2018) is entirely reasonable in the development scheme of things.

Regarding SHoP, here's a look back at some thinking on their development accross the city...
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2014/0...architects.php


Fantasy tower near an imagined Penn Station

[sparkling]

^^^
I am expecting completion date beyond 2020. But that's just a gut feeling, nothing more!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by sparkling

^^^
I am expecting completion date beyond 2020. But that's just a gut feeling, nothing more!

For 80 South St? I wouldn't stretch that far, but we first have to see what the proposal is, what the developer intends. My guess is that with his redevelopment of the Seaport area, this tower will be part of the plans.

[hunser]

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2015/03/...aport-for-24m/

Howard Hughes buys building west of Seaport for $24M 10-story storage facility at 163 Front St. offers nearly 100K buildable sf

March 03, 2015 11:45AM
By Mark Maurer

The Howard Hughes Corp. acquired a 10-story commercial building on the outskirts of the South Street Seaport for $24 million, according to property records filed with the city today. Tom Molloy’s American International Realty has owned the 58,500-square-foot property at 163 Front Street, also known as 34-40 Fletcher Street, since 1996, records show.

The structure, used primarily for storage, offers 98,280 buildable square feet. Across the street, Fortis Property Group is in the process of building a 51-story condo tower at 151 Maiden Lane, also known as 39 Fletcher Street. Texas-based Howard Hughes, led by CEO David Weinreb, has been at odds with city officials and Seaport residents over plans to construct a 494-foot condominium tower as part of its proposed $1.5 billion redevelopment of the area. “Our focus right now is on developing Pier 17 and pursuing our proposal for a mixed-use building with more than $300 million in public improvements,” a spokesperson for Howard Hughes said in a statement.

Earlier this month, the developer paid $30.8 million to buy more than 333,000 square feet of air rights from a consortium of banks that owns the air rights above the South Street Seaport Museum and a handful of properties on the block north of Front Street, as The Real Deal reported. Howard Hughes Corporation controls the South Street Seaport proper through a lease with the city, as well as other buildings in the district bounded by John Street, Peck Slip, Water Street and the East River.

In October, Ralph Tawil’s Centurion Realty sold an eight-story rental building at 85 South Street to Howard Hughes for $20 million.

[Zapatan]

He bought 333k extra sq feet of air rights?

I'm guessing that means this thing will be really really tall. On SSC it's rumored that it could go higher than Nordstrom but I'm not sure how accurate that is.

[SkyscrapersOfNewYork]

Im hopeful that shop will deliver a beautiful elegant tower that can cmpete with the WTC.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

He bought 333k extra sq feet of air rights?

I'm guessing that means this thing will be really really tall. On SSC it's rumored that it could go higher than Nordstrom but I'm not sure how accurate that is.

The Howard Hughes Corporation has dished out $100 million for 80 South Street, a site just south of its planned (and controversial) Seaport tower.

The parcel, currently a five-story walkup, will likely be turned into another skyscraper. Queens developer Cord Meyer had previously secured the City Planning Commission’s approval of a 300,000-s/f hotel and residential tower designed by Morali Architects. Meyer later decided to sell the proposal and the site to Howard Hughes. The deal has now closed, according to property records.

The Howard Hughes Corp. acquired a 10-story commercial building on the outskirts of the South Street Seaport for $24 million, according to property records filed with the city today. Tom Molloy’s American International Realty has owned the 58,500-square-foot property at 163 Front Street, also known as 34-40 Fletcher Street, since 1996

It's an expanded footprint for the 80 South St site. This could give us the signature tower I want to balance the east side of lower Manhattan with the WTC and other developments. And most likely one of SHoP's supertalls.