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Old Posted May 22, 2012, 12:18 AM
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Awesome news! Hope to see this materialize.
http://www.brewaz.com/content/index_...?story_id=8295
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Old Posted May 22, 2012, 3:00 AM
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Awesome news! Hope to see this materialize.
http://www.brewaz.com/content/index_...?story_id=8295
That's awesome news, I hope it comes to fruition and isn't just a bunch of speculation. That area of downtown sorely needs some investment.
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Old Posted May 27, 2012, 9:51 PM
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Well, the dream has been long dead but I call this the nail in the coffin. No more warehouses, no more revitalized district to rival Gas Lamp or Power & Light. Shame. They'll demo those warehouses in a heartbeat for housing.
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Old Posted May 27, 2012, 11:08 PM
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According to the Planned Unit Development associated with the parcels, here's what I think is going to be saved:

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Gerardo’s Building at 421 S. 3rd Street and Arvizu’s El Fresnal Grocery Store at
310 E. Buchanan Street currently have HP overlay zoning. The Gerardo’s Building
is a rare two-story 1928 commercial and residential brick building which once
housed a café on the first floor and residential rentals on the upper level. Arvizu’s
El Fresnal Grocery Store, constructed ca. 1901, is the oldest intact neighborhood
grocery store in Phoenix. Both buildings are extremely intact and unique
examples of commercial non-warehouse brick buildings surviving in the
warehouse area of downtown. Both buildings are the only survivors from a subarea of the warehouse area of downtown which once encompassed both
residential units and commercial uses predominantly for Hispanic workers.
Because of the rarity of these two buildings, their early age, their overall excellent
physical integrity and their association with Hispanic history, both buildings meet
the HP-L zoning criterion of possessing “historic or architectural significance,
integrity, distinctive visual character and quality that is a level of exceptional
significance...”
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Graham Paper Company Warehouse at 521 S. 3rd Street/310 E.
Lincoln Street. These two buildings appear to be extremely intact and in good
condition.
Here's what I think is going to be razed:

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Pioneer Fruit Co. Warehouse at 401 S. 3rd Street and Coe Sales Co. at 301-309 E. Buchanan Street.
http://phoenix.gov/planning/Z-78-08.pdf
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2012, 7:37 PM
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Jackson St. Website

Anyone seen this? Interesting pics, especially the Pikes Market Center - esque sign.

http://www.jacksonstreetphx.com/index3.html
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2012, 8:43 PM
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Anyone seen this? Interesting pics, especially the Pikes Market Center - esque sign.

http://www.jacksonstreetphx.com/index3.html
Yah its old. Sadly this whole idea seems dead at the moment
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2012, 8:57 PM
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It's frustrating. Especially seeing the original specs for the whole thing. I hate when they put out these amazing specs and articles on this stuff and then years later we're still sitting with nothing.
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2018, 7:40 AM
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Not gonna lie if there's one project I wish the city/developers could revisit and make a reality, it's definitely this one! We definitely got cheated on this one, what a shame!
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Not gonna lie if there's one project I wish the city/developers could revisit and make a reality, it's definitely this one! We definitely got cheated on this one, what a shame!
Completely disagree these plans never work you need to work with the entertainment areas that grow organically not try to invent them arbitrarily
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2018, 6:26 PM
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Yup

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Completely disagree these plans never work you need to work with the entertainment areas that grow organically not try to invent them arbitrarily
I'm a big fan of city planning, but I have to agree. I have seen a number of dual efforts (organic and centrally planned) happening, and the organic efforts always win with these districts. The organic spots get buzz, and business owners and entrepreneurs notice. The planned districts end up shelling out money to the disreputable and the naive. They are usually disasters in comparison.
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2018, 7:47 PM
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I'm a big fan of city planning, but I have to agree. I have seen a number of dual efforts (organic and centrally planned) happening, and the organic efforts always win with these districts. The organic spots get buzz, and business owners and entrepreneurs notice. The planned districts end up shelling out money to the disreputable and the naive. They are usually disasters in comparison.
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Completely disagree these plans never work you need to work with the entertainment areas that grow organically not try to invent them arbitrarily
So in looking at similar projects around the country would you guys say the same about 16th Street Mall in Denver and Power and Light District in KC to name a few? Just asking what your thoughts are on those.
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2018, 8:17 PM
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So in looking at similar projects around the country would you guys say the same about 16th Street Mall in Denver and Power and Light District in KC to name a few? Just asking what your thoughts are on those.
I haven't been to that Denver district, but I generally like the Power and Light district in KC. I would be curious about the extra investment that was made with that particular district. I'm a fan of anchoring a few signature projects (like America West...er Talking Stick Arena), planning transit, and then letting business fight it out for customers. I would be interested in the history of these two projects.
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 5:37 PM
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So in looking at similar projects around the country would you guys say the same about 16th Street Mall in Denver and Power and Light District in KC to name a few? Just asking what your thoughts are on those.
The 16th street mall in denver was not invented out of nothing. It was an enhancement to an exsisting/growing retail corridor
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2018, 8:51 PM
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The 16th street mall in Denver was not invented out of nothing. It was an enhancement to an existing/growing retail corridor
Either way whatever it was before it was still an enhancement to make it more appealing kind of like Arizona Center. The Power and Lights District in KC was built basically from scratch utilizing a mix of new and old, building new structures while at the same time refurbishing and modernizing older buildings like what would've been done with Jackson Street.

The biggest issue I see with projects like what we have here in PHX like CityScape and Arizona Center is complete loss of interaction with the street in most cases. CityScape has a courtyard type feel so a majority of the stores and shops face away from the street and don't interact with pedestrians on the main drag, same could be said about Arizona Center and Denver Pavilions. It makes the area around the center seem less walk-able.

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