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I talked with the Sales guy for Safari Drive and he said we will be blown away with the canal improvements- both City money and individual developer money going in.
He said from Chapparral to Stetson or so...

-Would be cool to have another "green-belt" feel with pedestrian pathways and greenery...
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10-28-06 development update plus pics of canal in it's current state:






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Alley renaissance is proposed by downtown Scottsdale clubs

Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 6, 2006 12:00 AM


SCOTTSDALE

Amid downtown's glitz and emerging luxury condo scene one entrepreneur hopes to rev up his business by going back to the alley.

Randy Smith, owner of the nightclub called 6, is seeking to transform the alley behind his Stetson Drive bar into a patio with decorative lighting along what now is a stark, asphalt drive with skanky trash bins.

City officials are open to the idea but the metal bins are a fly in the ointment.

"I'm into urban chicness but a big, stinky, garbage container - that's a little too chic," Smith said.

Scottsdale is looking at its alleys as spots for hideaway shops and interesting nooks that visitors might discover. It is part of an effort to make the increasingly urban core pedestrian friendly.

Elsewhere, an alley renaissance is emerging in places like Seattle, San Francisco, Vancouver, British Columbia, and even downtown Flagstaff, where business owners have embraced their backdoor customers.

John Little, Scottsdale's director of downtown, is enthusiastic about Smith's proposal and sees other opportunities for similar alley improvements downtown. But there are hurdles.

The alley overhaul hinges on finding a new way to remove trash rather than letting it rot in metal bins.


New way to handle trash
Scottsdale wants to explore a solution pioneered by a Seattle-based company called CleanScapes, which operates in the Northwest and San Francisco.

CleanScapes picks up trash in leak-proof plastic bags several times a day from its customers, eliminating the need for metal bins.

Scottsdale is considering a pilot program that would use a similar collection method with a golf-cart truck hauling the refuse to a large bin elsewhere for removal to a landfill.

It is a method that could also eliminate noisy trucks from slamming trash bins outside downtown condominiums early in the morning.

Another roadblock is getting adjacent business owners to cooperate with an alley makeover.

Andy Meyer, owner of DJ's of Scottsdale, said he is all for Smith's idea of using the alley behind 6 and the other bars in the 7300 block of Stetson Drive. The alley abuts the Galleria Corporate Center parking garage.

"It would be nothing but a plus for everybody," Meyer said, adding that he would use the space behind his 32-year-old bar as well.

He is skeptical, however, that Scottsdale will go along with Smith's proposal.

"If the city would do that I would be shocked to death," Meyer said.


Will the city buy idea?
Little, the city's downtown administrator, said Smith's alley proposal is "just the kernel of an idea, but it's a dang good kernel."

Scottsdale would have to work out a license agreement and rental rate for using the public alley behind 6.

Smith, who operates another downtown bar, Mickey's Hangover, said 6 would use collapsible barriers to give ambulances access to the alley in an emergency. Most deliveries could continue to use the front doors of the businesses, he added.

6 currently uses its back door as a VIP entrance, but Smith's Bottomline Hospitality Group wants to provide a comfortable patio for the club with a stamped concrete or brick deck.

The front half of the building could then be turned into a 63-seat American bistro. "This would activate an urban space" and create the kind of discoverable place that would be memorable to tourists, Smith said.


Wine bar finds 'truth'
It would be much like the Kazimierz World Wine Bar behind the Cowboy Ciao restaurant at Stetson Drive and Sixth Avenue.

Like a speakeasy, the wine bar, tucked in a courtyard, is only marked by a cryptic sign that reads: "The Truth is Inside."

Smith, who is working on opening two other restaurants, said he is anxious to try a pilot program in the alley behind 6. But the city has not yet fully vetted his idea so he has to be patient.

"It can be a huge positive for the city," Smith said. "It's a whole new way of thinking about these types of spaces."

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This is something DT Phoenix should get into

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Peter Corbett
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 10, 2006 12:00 AM

Much of the attention on downtown's $2 billion worth of new development has focused on large-scale projects like the Scottsdale Waterfront, Optima Camelview condos and the W Hotel.

But nightclub entrepreneur Randy Smith has turned his attention to the smaller scale of alleys, the city's forgotten and neglected urban spaces.

Smith has approached Scottsdale officials about allowing him to spruce up the alley behind his Stetson Drive nightclub called 6.
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It would provide a comfortable patio for the club and at least two adjacent bars.

Patrons could enjoy the patio's hideaway ambience, decorative lighting and landscaping.

The city's director of downtown, John Little, welcomes the idea as part of Scottsdale's efforts to make downtown more walkable.

But, first, Scottsdale must find a 21st-century solution for hauling trash from the bars. The current method of using metal trash bins creates odors that would hurt Smith's proposal.

Smith wants to add a patio with decorative lighting along what now is a stark, asphalt drive with unsightly trash bins.

City officials are open to the idea.

But the metal bins are a fly in the ointment.

'Little too chic'
"I'm into urban chicness, but a big, stinky garbage container - that's a little too chic," Smith said.

Scottsdale is looking at its alleys as spots for hideaway shops and interesting nooks that visitors can discover.

It is part of an effort to make the increasingly urban core of downtown Scottsdale pedestrian-friendly.

Elsewhere, an alley renaissance is emerging in places like Seattle; San Francisco; Vancouver, British Columbia; and even downtown Flagstaff, where business owners have embraced their backdoor customers.

Little is enthusiastic about Smith's proposal and sees other opportunities for similar alley improvements downtown. But there are hurdles.

The alley overhaul hinges on finding a new way to handle trash rather than letting it rot in metal bins.

Scottsdale wants to explore a solution pioneered by a Seattle-based company called CleanScapes, which operates in the Northwest and San Francisco.

CleanScapes picks up trash in leakproof plastic bags several times a day from its customers, eliminating the need for metal bins.

New collection method
Scottsdale is considering a pilot program that would use a similar collection method with a golf-cart truck hauling the refuse to a large bin elsewhere for removal to a landfill.

It is a method that could also eliminate noisy trucks from slamming trash bins outside downtown condominiums early in the morning.

Another roadblock is getting adjacent business owners to cooperate with an alley makeover.

Andy Meyer, owner of DJ's of Scottsdale, said he is all for Smith's idea of using the alley behind 6 and the other bars in the 7300 block of Stetson Drive.

The alley abuts the Galleria Corporate Center parking garage.

"It would be nothing but a plus for everybody," Meyer said, adding that he would use the space behind his 32-year-old bar, as well.

He is skeptical, however, that Scottsdale will go along with Smith's proposal.

"If the city would do that, I would be shocked to death," Meyer said.

Little said Smith's alley proposal is "just the kernel of an idea, but it's a dang good kernel."

Scottsdale would have to work out a license agreement and rental rate for using the public alley behind 6.

Collapsible barriers
Smith, who operates another downtown bar, Mickey's Hangover, said 6 would use collapsible barriers to give ambulances access to the alley in an emergency.

Most deliveries could continue to use the front doors of the businesses, he added.

The nightclub 6 currently uses its back door as a VIP entrance, but Smith's Bottomline Hospitality Group wants to provide a comfortable patio for the club with a stamped-concrete or brick deck.

The front half of the building could then be turned into a 63-seat American bistro.

"This would activate an urban space" and create the kind of discoverable place that would be memorable to tourists, Smith said.

It would be much like the Kazimierz World Wine Bar behind the Cowboy Ciao restaurant at Stetson Drive and Sixth Avenue.

Like a speakeasy, the wine bar, tucked in a courtyard, is only marked by a cryptic sign that reads: "The truth is inside."

Smith, who is working on opening two other restaurants, said he is eager to try a pilot program in the alley behind 6. But the city has not yet fully vetted his idea so he has to be patient.

"It can be a huge positive for the city," Smith said.

"It's a whole new way of thinking about these types of spaces."
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Scottsdale considers revitalizing plan for south
By Lindsay Butler, Tribune
November 18, 2006
Scottsdale is considering a plan that could both increase the housing stock and revitalize the south part of the city.

But the question is whether a tactic that worked downtown will work in other parts of the city.

The idea is to create a “residential overlay,” or new zoning, that would allow residential development along Scottsdale Road in the southern end roughly between Earll Drive and McKellips Road.

Most of the property along the road is zoned for commercial development. The new designation would allow for mixed-use properties — like those with stores on the ground floor and apartments above them — and possibly some new apartment or condominium complexes, said assistant city manager Ed Gawf.

He discussed the idea during this week’s city Housing Board meeting. Gawf said the city would start to work on the project in the spring, and he estimated it would take six to nine months to get zoning approved.

The plan is similar to one approved by the city in 2003, which allowed for residential units to be built throughout downtown. The city hoped the zoning would promote reinvestment and encourage more housing.

The idea could have the same effect in south Scottsdale, said Scottsdale Area Chamber of Commerce president Rick Kidder. New zoning probably would spark immediate reinvestment by some property holders and possibly an increase in property value, he said.

But it also might solve another issue — the shortage of rental properties.

“Adding to the housing mix would do a really good thing for the community,” Kidder said.

During the last two years, the number of apartments has decreased by nearly 35 percent, from 20,466 to 13,353 units. That change is mostly due to the number of condo conversions, which took off in 2004 and 2005.

According to city records, two years ago there were 887 apartment units that had converted to condos, or about 4.3 percent of available multifamily housing.

Now, converted units make up 61.4 percent.

“The relative shortage is something that does hurt the business community,” Kidder said.

“Scottsdale imports about half its labor force, and a lot of people might have entered the rental market in Scottsdale only to discover a significant number of condo conversions.”

Kidder also pointed out that the 325 residential units planned for SkySong at Mc-Dowell and Scottsdale roads would eventually build out, and the area would need more housing options.

The only foreseeable challenge might be homeowners who object to multifamily housing in the neighborhood, so the city has to be careful, Kidder said.

“Good neighborhoods offer a mix of housing types and incomes,” Gawf said. “We have to be smart about our new housing stock.”

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I'm very excited about this!
Very cool.... I hope to see some interesting projects come out of the woodwork.
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Barneys at Scottsdale Fashion Square?

Erica Sagon
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 6, 2006 06:48 PM


Luxury department store Barneys New York could open at Scottsdale Fashion Square, according to the buzz going around at a giant retail industry convention in New York City this week.

Attendees said representatives from the exclusive department store chain were openly discussing plans to open a flagship store at the mall.

Stephen Bartha, a East Coast-based retail consultant whose clients include Barneys, would not confirm the store's opening.

"We're not prepared to (make) any comments, yet," he said from New York City on Wednesday night.

Yet.

Barneys would reportedly go on the east end of the Scottsdale Fashion Square, where it would partially replace an empty anchor space that was recently vacated by Robinsons-May.

The mall, located at Scottsdale and Camelback roads, is already home to high-end department stores Neiman Marcus and Nordstrom and to many other ritzy retailers including Gucci and Louis Vuitton.

Westcor, the Phoenix-based mall developer that partially owns and leases Scottsdale Fashion Square, did not return calls for comment on Wednesday night.

Several developers of high-end retail projects around the Valley are rumored to be courting Barneys.

In March, Bartha told The Republic that Barneys had been scouting sites in Phoenix and that a store could open as soon as 2008. He said Barneys has spoken with several developers in the Valley, but he declined to name them.

Barneys has eight namesake department stores, 12 CO-OP stores and 12 outlet stores, according to its Web site.
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Historic label might save 5th Ave shops
Carol Sowers
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 4, 2006 12:00 AM


Two years ago, David Kish moved his tea and accessories shop from Albuquerque, N.M., to Scottsdale's Fifth Avenue.

"I didn't think I would be lost here," he said.

He said his shop, Entertaining the Idea of Tea, fits better in the intimate setting of the Fifth Avenue shops.

Kish, like other shop owners, likes the idea of adding Fifth Avenue to the city's historic register, a proposal that could be completed within the year, if the Scottsdale City Council signs on.

The designation could mean signs and pamphlets advertising the area as a historic part of Scottsdale, financial help with fire sprinklers and money for upgrading the facades of the aging shops to preserve their midcentury character, said Debbie Abele, Scottsdale's preservation officer.

But Fifth Avenue's curvy swath of shops are poised just south of the Scottsdale Waterfront, a 1.1-million-square-foot development of stylish condominiums, shops, office space and restaurants along the Arizona Canal at Scottsdale and Camelback Roads.

Developers eager to be linked to the Waterfront are already moving into Fifth Avenue.

Waterfront-style condos with living quarters on top and shops below are planned on the north side of Fifth Avenue, just east of Goldwater Boulevard, and two doors from Kish's shop.

Kish said he and other tenants fear other Fifth Avenue landlords will sell out to take advantage of the neighboring Waterfront.

"If they get a good enough price, someone will come tear these buildings down," he said.

Even if Fifth Avenue is added to the city's historic register, owners could sell their property for development, but the process is more tedious.

Margaret West is a land-use consultant for Fred Unger, who owns about a third of the Fifth Avenue property, and is developing the $41 million Southbridge at the foot of the Arizona Canal southwest of the Waterfront. The project will feature unusual restaurants, fashion retailers and shops.

Still, West says, Unger supports historic designation for Fifth Avenue.

"He believes that this is a part of Scottsdale that needs to be preserved," she said.

Marina Solakian, who owns Marina Jewelers on Fifth Avenue, also wants the street added to the city's historic register.

"I want to keep it the old way," she said.

So does Nanci Atwood, who grew up in Scottsdale. She owns Creative Mind and Body, also on the north side of Fifth Avenue.

"I specifically came here for the energy and the charm of the street," she said.

Atwood said Fifth Avenue symbolizes Scottsdale's disappearing reputation for small-town charm.

If that is lost to huge development on Fifth Avenue, "it would be a disgrace," she said. She believes historic designation may be the only way to save Fifth Avenue, one of Scottsdale's enduring downtown post World War II landmarks.

"If we don't become historic," she said, "we'll be bulldozed."
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Barneys, Bottega Veneta set for Scottsdale mall

Erica Sagon
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 11, 2006 01:38 PM

Luxury department store Barneys New York and high-end handbag retailer Bottega Veneta will join the lineup of stores at Scottsdale Fashion Square.

The stores will be the first in the state for both retailers.

Barneys plans a two-story, 65,000-square-foot flagship store for the east end of the mall at northwest corner of Scottsdale and Camelback roads, the mall's Phoenix-based manager and co-owner, Westcor, said Monday. The anchor will open in fall 2009 and partially replace the vacant Robinsons-May building that is slated to be torn down.
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Meanwhile, Bottega Veneta will make its entrance in Arizona with a 2,100-square-foot store in the Neiman-Marcus wing at Scottsdale Fashion Square. It will open on the first floor in spring 2008, Westcor said.

Both retailers are big names in fashion and huge coups for the Valley's luxury retail scene, which is growing thanks to affluent residents and tourists.

Westcor, the Valley's largest shopping mall developer, has been aggressively recruiting exclusive retailers to open at the already luxurious Scottsdale Fashion Square and Biltmore Fashion Park.

"Phoenix is one of those markets that has come into its own and for Barneys to have Scottsdale, Arizona, on its expansion list I think says it all," said David Scholl, senior vice president of development for Westcor.

And even more luxury stores are on the way. Barneys has triggered a redevelopment project on the east end of Scottsdale Fashion Square. Developers intend to knock down the empty Robinsons-May building and parking garage and build in its place a two-story extension that could house 25 to 30 additional retailers, some of which could be luxury tenants that are new to Arizona. Barneys will anchor the new wing.

At a retail industry convention in New York City last week, representatives from Barneys had openly discussed plans for a store at Scottsdale Fashion Square, according to those in attendance. Neither Barneys nor Westcor would confirm a deal until a letter of intent was signed, which happened Friday.

"We think there's an opportunity to have customers there," Dawn Brown, a Barneys spokeswoman, said Monday. "We have every intention of opening."

She declined to comment further, saying the deal is too far in the future.
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Developer pulls request to allow taller buildings
Lesley Wright
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 16, 2006

SCOTTSDALE - DMB Associates Inc. pulled on Friday its request for a height variance for the luxurious One Scottsdale development.

DMB had wanted to build as high as 89 feet, nearly three stories above the existing 60-foot limit in an area dominated by low-profile homes and businesses.

The move thwarted a referendum threat by opponents and closed weeks of controversy over an issue that has divided the Scottsdale City Council and polarized residents across the city.

Advocates on both sides said they believe the broader issue of height and growth in Scottsdale will not die with DMB's withdrawal.

Drew Brown, DMB's managing director, agreed that the debate became less about planning principles than politics.

"What became clear to me was that the variance had taken on a life of its own," Brown said.

Brown said that that DMB could have won a referendum, but the company did not want to get off-schedule with the project, which is set to open in 2009.

DMB unveiled detailed plans for the $1.5 billion One Scottsdale in May. The mini-city of offices, hotels, restaurant and homes would be set off by an haute couture shopping district that the developer said would rival Rodeo Drive and Manhattan's Fifth Avenue.

Supporters dubbed the 120-acre center at Loop 101 and Scottsdale Road an "economic engine" that would compete with massive planned retail centers in nearby Phoenix.

DMB executives said the extra height would have accommodated a slope in the ground and lent architectural variety to avoid a monolithic look.

Opponents in wealthy north Scottsdale, who zealously guard the area's low-rise profile, said that granting extra height would set a dangerous precedent for future development.

The Coalition of Pinnacle Peak, one of Scottsdale's most influential homeowners groups, quickly organized opposition and threatened a ballot referendum if the additional height was approved by the City Council.

At the same time DMB asked for the height variance, it announced that it would ask Scottsdale to contribute $50 million for infrastructure.

The developer withdrew the financial request during a council meeting in November when a firestorm of protest erupted over the issue of height.

DMB then asked the council to continue the hearing until Jan. 16 but finally gave up on Friday.

Brown, the DMB executive, said it is unclear who will pay for public infrastructure improvements tied to One Scottsdale and development of adjacent land.

Littlefield, one of the most vocal opponents of the variance, said Friday that DMB did the right thing. "People from all over the city said this is a bad idea. It was a grass-roots groundswell of opposition."
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Urban inn planned for Scottsdale canal banks
By Donna Hogan, Tribune
January 13, 2007
Developers are planning a 200-room, six-story, luxury hotel on 10-plus acres along the Arizona Canal banks in downtown Scottsdale. The five-star urban inn would stretch for a halfmile along the diagonal canal alignment, on the south bank, northeast of the intersection of Scottsdale and Camelback roads, said Scottsdale zoning attorney John Berry.

The hotel doesn’t have a name yet, Berry said, but it will be a posh brand not yet in the Valley.

“A half-dozen five-star flags are actively looking to be in downtown Scottsdale,” he said. “We are in active negotiations and have letters of intent from three of them. We have not yet selected a brand.”

Berry, who represents the Scottsdale Canal Development, said the developers expect to file plans with the city next week.

The plans include requests for Scottsdale to up the building height limit for the site and to help financially in the relocation of a Salt River Project substation that currently occupies a prime chunk of the property, Berry said.

The proposed height of the hotel and 200 luxury residential condos that also are part of the project’s plans are within the allowable limits for neighboring properties, Berry said.

“We’re not asking for any height or density not allowed under the downtown zoning,” he said.

The big bonus is the removal of old and rundown apartments and the relocation of an ugly mishmash of electrical wires and poles that currently dominate the landscape, Berry said.

“This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to relocate the substation and remove an eyesore at the gateway to downtown Scottsdale,” he said.

SRP has already signed on to move the substation if the developers pay the tab, said Dick Hayslip, SRP assistant general manager.

The utility is studying the situation now to determine what would be involved and how much it would cost, he said.

“We understand it is a premier intersection, and the city has asked us to be open about it,” Hayslip said.

“We‘re willing to do it, but we will need to be compensated by the developers. They don’t expect us to get out of their way at the expense of our customers,” Hayslip added.

If the city OKs the project, work on clearing the site could begin as soon as first quarter 2008, and the hotel could be welcoming guests within two to two and a half years from then, Berry said.

It would be built across the street from the under-construction “W” and less than a block from the planned “1,” both Starwood hotel mogul Barry Sternlicht’s pet projects.

The three new hotels would add hundreds of new rooms to the already bustling boutique hotel cluster in downtown Scottsdale.

The Hotel Indigo, Mondrian, Hotel Valley Ho and Caleo all are aimed at attracting the hip, trendy travelers who prefer downtown stays to getaways at north Scottsdale’s sprawling resorts.

But having one more urban hotel isn’t worrying Scottsdale economic vitality general manager David Roderique.

“The downtown Scottsdale market is very strong,” Roderique said. “And typically there is a great synergy with this type of property.”
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Gawd, a city of around a quarter million people with a 60!? foot height limit?
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Gawd, a city of around a quarter million people with a 60!? foot height limit?
Scottsdale is still a suburb of Phoenix and has developed with single-family homes near the downtown area. Because of this there is some NIMBY presence that the city is sensitive to in regard to height restrictions. There are actually two large, 13-story condominium towers topped off across Scottsdale Road, directly west of this project. Downtown Scottsdale is actually becoming quite dense for a suburban city. It is a renown arts and tourist center and has a wide variety of restaurants and night clubs as well as world-class shopping. You should visit.
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Scottsdale is still a suburb of Phoenix and has developed with single-family homes near the downtown area. Because of this there is some NIMBY presence that the city is sensitive to in regard to height restrictions. There are actually two large, 13-story condominium towers topped off across Scottsdale Road, directly west of this project. Downtown Scottsdale is actually becoming quite dense for a suburban city. It is a renown arts and tourist center and has a wide variety of restaurants and night clubs as well as world-class shopping. You should visit.
it still sucks. You have no idea how tired I am of tourists asking me "whats there to do in scottsdale." I always reply with "well it's a suburb so there is a bit, but not as much as Phoenix." and when I tell them Kierland Commons is in Phoenix, they go from cant wait to be there to not wanting to go in a matter of seconds.
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Scottsdale has more nightlife in that little Downtown grid than Downtown Phx will in a long time... I long for the day when Downtown Phx can compete...
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You should visit.

Oh, I have visited many times. I was just suprised at a limit that low. There is a tall but older office tower near the mall that seemed higher than 60ft.

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its a suburb, theres no necessity for heaven-reaching high-rises

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it still sucks. You have no idea how tired I am of tourists asking me "whats there to do in scottsdale." I always reply with "well it's a suburb so there is a bit, but not as much as Phoenix." and when I tell them Kierland Commons is in Phoenix, they go from cant wait to be there to not wanting to go in a matter of seconds.
Kierland uses a Scottsdale address.
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Urban homes (and flats) on 78th st and Camelback... I think they'll be more like townhomes.
I like the park themes.... this one is an overhaul of 6 city blocks.
-I'm gonna drive by tomorrow to see what is there now.

-There's also a smaller future project in the Biltmore area from this developer...
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 1:51 AM
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Actually an existing older apartment complex is what is there now-
Bye Bye older apartment complex (so long as the numbers are there I suppose)
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2007, 3:58 AM
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its a suburb, theres no necessity for heaven-reaching high-rises


Kierland uses a Scottsdale address.
the post office is in scottsdale is why. It is within the city of Phoenix' boundaries.
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