NEW YORK | The Spiral (509 W. 34th) | 1,041 FT | 66 FLOORS

[chris08876]

Demo is the precursor to happiness. I believe Phase II renderings (HY) will come out sometime later this year.

Looking at that aerial, still lots to be developed. The area is rising, but still barren for Manhattan standards.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by dumbo

this one looks great in the renders and architectural models, but gut tells me it won't look as classy IRL.
Fingers crossed they prove me wrong!

I'm not sure what you mean by classy. But it doesn't have many architectural features other than the "spiral". Buildings like that tend to come out better than expected.
I think that'll be the case with 1 Manhattan West, and the case here as well.

[citybooster]

It will look really nice. Just the potential though of the soaring "Hudson Spire" type, even if it went 1,400-1,500 ft realistically instead of the 1,800 of the original vision would have really stood out and become iconic. Now it's a nice office building within proximity of similar sized ones or in 30 Hudson one really standout tower significantly taller. It blends in when the bold thing would have been to stand out and make for great contrast in the skyline. I can't say it's a bad building, it looks fine. But should have been more than that. Hopefully something will come along to surprise, amaze and enchant us.... til then though the West Side cluster as being developed still will make for an impressive set.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by citybooster

It will look really nice. Just the potential though of the soaring "Hudson Spire" type, even if it went 1,400-1,500 ft realistically instead of the 1,800 of the original vision would have really stood out and become iconic. Now it's a nice office building within proximity of similar sized ones or in 30 Hudson one really standout tower significantly taller. It blends in when the bold thing would have been to stand out and make for great contrast in the skyline. I can't say it's a bad building, it looks fine. But should have been more than that. Hopefully something will come along to surprise, amaze and enchant us.... til then though the West Side cluster as being developed still will make for an impressive set.

It is what it is because that's the way the city drew it up to be - a large office building with large floorplates. This building is nearly twice the size of One Vanderbilt, but the larger lot sizes on the westside allow for the larger floorplates. As such, you are going to see wider (fatter) buildings. Even with that, this building reaches 1,000 ft. Related already has a signature tower in 30 Hudson which is practically next door. That tower was altered specifically to be something of a signature tower, same as One Vanderbilt. But the real meat of the skyline is the larger towers such as this, with the large floorplates the big signature tenants are looking for. But the city is not without the taller, smaller floorplate towers. Just look around and you will see multiple, thin supertall towers going up with smaller floorplates. The concept of the "Hudson Spire" was a residential/hotel tower with small floorplates. That could be built anywhere in Manhattan.

[citybooster]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It is what it is because that's the way the city drew it up to be - a large office building with large floorplates. This building is nearly twice the size of One Vanderbilt, but the larger lot sizes on the westside allow for the larger floorplates. As such, you are going to see wider (fatter) buildings. Even with that, this building reaches 1,000 ft. Related already has a signature tower in 30 Hudson which is practically next door. That tower was altered specifically to be something of a signature tower, same as One Vanderbilt. But the real meat of the skyline is the larger towers such as this, with the large floorplates the big signature tenants are looking for. But the city is not without the taller, smaller floorplate towers. Just look around and you will see multiple, thin supertall towers going up with smaller floorplates. The concept of the "Hudson Spire" was a residential/hotel tower with small floorplates. That could be built anywhere in Manhattan.

Thanks for the explanation, NYguy... do you know btw if Frank Mc Court still has plans for a possible supertall residential in that area, think it's a 10th Avenue location? If we get another one in the Hudson Yards/ Midtown West area, perhaps that will be it.

[chris08876]

Credit: Walpole

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by citybooster

Thanks for the explanation, NYguy... do you know btw if Frank Mc Court still has plans for a possible supertall residential in that area, think it's a 10th Avenue location? If we get another one in the Hudson Yards/ Midtown West area, perhaps that will be it.

That's in the 360 10th Avenue thread.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...iV5Cz5Pqme9kaQ

[NYguy]

JUNE 11, 2017


Site prep/demolition gets set to move full speed ahead on this massive site.


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[Submariner]

Garbage buildings being prepped for the chopping block...beautiful.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Submariner

Garbage buildings being prepped for the chopping block...beautiful.

The only better site in New York is a new building going up. (As long as its not Kaufman).

[mrnyc]

[NYguy]

JUNE 27, 2017









Demo for 50 Hudson taking shape across the street...

[Submariner]

Very exciting to see these buildings come down.

[Submariner]

Does the Spiral have financing yet or is this site prep only?

[NYguy]

Site prep for now.



https://therealdeal.com/2017/07/05/c...outdoor-space/

City is waging a campaign against office buildings with outdoor space
DOB now claiming rooftops and setbacks can only be used for plants and trees

July 05, 2017

The city’s Department of Buildings is clamping down on proposed office buildings that feature outdoor space, in a campaign that has already delayed dozens of projects.

The DOB examiners are claiming that rooftops and setback can only be used for plants, and often challenge whether or not a roof can support a certain weight, sources told the New York Post.

First Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fariello is spearheading the campaign, and the Real Estate Board of New York has contacted the Department of City Planning asking it to “convince the DOB that what we’re asking is well within scope of what zoning allows,” REBNY’s Michael Slattery told the newspaper.

According to Slattery, some property owners who have already had their terrace plans approved by the DOB have now been told the approval could be withdrawn.

“They take forever to approve anything, cranes collapse on their watch — but their priority now is to make up reasons not to allow terraces in office buildings,” an unidentified real estate executive said of the DOB, according to the Post.

One of the buildings that may be affected is Durst Organization’s 1155 Sixth Avenue, which is set to get new terraces as part of a $110 million renovation.

A spokesperson for Durst would not discuss the specifics but said, “this is a problem. Access to outdoor space is a critical component of a healthy work environment and a vital part of sustainable development as well as a major recruitment tool for New York’s businesses.”

The DOB and DCP said in a joint statement that they are “aware of the questions that have been raised regarding roof terraces” and will be “working together to arrive at a solution that supports both safety and clarity.”

[Skyguy_7]

^Add to the absurd, never-ending list of things the Government needs to step in and save us from: Outdoor rooftop terraces. I have no words.

[Submariner]

Originally Posted by Skyguy_7

^Add to the absurd, never-ending list of things the Government needs to step in and save us from: Outdoor rooftop terraces. I have no words.

A branch may fall on someone.

Think of the children!

[NYguy]

http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/city-of...ace-crackdown/

City officials meet over bizarre roof terrace crackdown

By Steve Cuozzo
July 11, 2017

Officials of the Department of City Planning (DCP) and the Department of Buildings (DOB) sat down for a powwow last Thursday — one day after The Post reported on the DOB’s baffling crackdown on office building roof terraces.

In case you are wondering why the under-staffed DOB is giving landlords a hard time about roof terraces for office tenants, you are not alone.

The DOB is supposed to “interpret” zoning rules. In this case, developers and landlords say it’s willfully misinterpreting a 1961 provision that “all uses must be contained within enclosed buildings.”

That language was aimed at curbing an abuse of the time — when some landlords used outdoor space for flea markets, which the city wished to discourage.

Now, DOB is giving building owners a hard time over terraces, which have become an important and popular tenants’ amenity in hundreds of office buildings — especially new ones.

A source told us that at last week’s meeting, DOB officials “dug in their heels” over the matter. A rep for the DCP told us only on Monday, “Discussions regarding rooftop terraces are ongoing.”

[10023]

Originally Posted by NYguy

http://nypost.com/2017/07/11/city-of...ace-crackdown/

City officials meet over bizarre roof terrace crackdown

By Steve Cuozzo
July 11, 2017

Sounds like they just need to change the rules and take it out of the DOB's hands.

[chris08876]

There are the minimum standards with regards to building codes that must be met, and developers shouldn't be forced to go beyond the minimum. DOB should remain neutral, as so long as the bare minimum in the code is being followed, let it be. No more, no less. Looks like someone at the DOB is ego-tripping.