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Old Posted Aug 3, 2018, 8:51 PM
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Meanwhile, the Ford government plans on fighting Trudeau over the imposition of a carbon tax which they're basically guaranteed to lose. While Ford is very likely to get his way, opponents of his changes have a stronger case than Ford does vis-a-vis the feds, albeit an uphill battle.
Ford's advisors know the Province would loose a court challenge. ON finances are likely far worse than the previous Liberal government acknowledged and the new government needs a convenient scapegoat. Blaming the harsh decisions required to avert a fiscal disaster on previous management and more specifically on its failed green energy policies is an obvious strategy. Attributing the Trudeau government's carbon taxation and maybe even trying to link the federal Liberals to the wildly unpopular provincial Liberals extends that strategy (ex.Butts and Telfer were advisors to the provincial Liberals and Wynne campaigned for Trudeau). Since the federal Liberals need support in ON, they will do what it takes to keep Ford off the attack. The Feds have already reduced the level of the proposed carbon tax, so the ON PC tactic is working.
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You seem to be operating on the assumption that there are "adults in the room" keeping Ford in line.
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2018, 9:42 PM
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Ironically Calgary has more MLAs than city councillors.
So do most cities in smaller provinces. In Winnipeg, it’s 2:1. The sizes of these bodies should be determined by the number required for them to function effectively, not by an attempt to ensure that politicians “represent” a certain number of voters. So provincial legislatures obviously need to be big enough to ensure that a cabinet can be formed and that there will generally be enough opposition members to do that job effectively. City governments are more like corporate boards of directors, and don’t need to be as big. Apple or General Electric don’t have boards 1000 times the size of those of a small company, or even of 47, because they know they’d never get anything done with such a large number of voices at the table.
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Toronto used to be known as the "city that worked" and the old metro system had more municipal officials than it does today. In addition it was further cut down when Harris forced Toronto to split the federal/provincial ridings in two. To add insult to injury Harris downloaded many services to Toronto.

The years of the worst paralysis were during the Ford years and it had far more to with their antics than with the size of council.

But I suppose cutting council "hasn't really been tried" or something.
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One thing that holds Toronto (much more than "too many politicians") back is the lack of a party system (which isn't allowed in Ontario). There's this silly idea that "political parties don't belong at City Hall." The result is a bunch of ward-healers and the re-election of incumbents being basically guaranteed.

Now I'm not in favor of simply having the NDP, Liberals and Conservatives running openly in Toronto or the hyper-partisan politics of our legislatures, but it would reduce incumbency advantage and allow for a greater vision for the city to take hold.
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Considering that Toronto does have extra rights and responsibilities compared to other municipalities, there should be an exception made.

Partisan politics do kind of play a role in Thunder Bay (similar to Winnipeg) in that almost all of the candidates' provincial and federal affiliations are known and talked about, and many people (especially older ones) vote based on those known affiliations. A couple of them only get in because they're either NDP or Conservative, and not necessarily because they're effective representatives.

An organization that has its own version of the Leap Manifesto tried to create an actual municipal political party and run a slate of candidates but it fizzled out because they were too extreme even for left-wingers.
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Winnipeg had a municipal NDP for quite a long time but it never did very well because few issues at the municipal level are really partisan in that sense and the message being conveyed to voters by the "NDP" label was that they were voting for politicians who would favour the demands of municipal unions.
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Yeah that's why Montreal and Vancouver have completely different parties than we see at higher levels.

I do think it would help a little bit to have some kind of party organization municipally though. My city votes for councillors at-large, so we've got to pick 5 out of 26 people this year (11 running for mayor in a city of 100,000), and each one has their own campaign and platform, which makes the decision incredibly difficult. Most will just vote for the names they recognize, so I always joke that people walk into the polling station and treat their ballot like a multiple choice test asking if they know who is on the present council, and most of them walk out feeling like they've aced the test.
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Yes, some councillors are hollow shirts and time-servers. (For evidence, look no further than Premier Ford’s dismal term as councillor for Etobicoke North.) But that will also be true if their ranks are thinned to 25. And even a lazy incumbent pays more deference to the needs of her constituents than a bright young mandarin would.

The city probably won’t be run any better, may be run worse and will for sure be run less democratically in Mr. Ford’s scheme. In any case, it will need just as much running. Only now, more of the people doing the running will sit in dusty city hall offices and never face a vote.

Empowering bureaucrats and isolating frustrated citizens is an odd legacy for a purported enemy of big government and advocate “for the people.” But then, sometimes funny things happen when you govern by slogan.
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