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Old Posted Sep 19, 2012, 2:34 AM
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Here's one of my favourite lesser known threads. It's about a two hour walk around gritty east-central Hamilton:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=158495
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Great tour of Hamilton flar (as usual)
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Maybe Detroit can rename itself Delta City, and go find this guy:

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some Winnipeg shots

Manitoba Ave


Boyle St


Magnus Ave


Dufferin Ave


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Ah, the 70s.When US cities actually had the realest ghettos in North America. Today, we're still in top, but it isn't as profound as before. All the Canadian "ghettos" I've seen here are basically rehashes of the areas I see around West Palm Beach and the rest of South Florida every day.
Do you have pics of these areas? I'm curious to see how other cities (besides Detroit or NYC in the '70s) in the US compare to Vancouver's downtown eastside...
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Maybe Detroit can rename itself Delta City, and go find this guy:

Well they're apparently filming the remake in Hamilton, so I guess that at least shows that Canadian rund down areas can look as bad as parts of Detroit.
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Old Posted Sep 19, 2012, 12:37 PM
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Hamilton stands in for a lot of gritty American cities in movies, e.g. for Baltimore in Hairspray, Detroit in Four Brothers, Harlem in the Incredible Hulk, NYC in Max Payne. Sometimes Hamilton stars as itself, e.g. Defendor (Woody Harrelson) and Real Time (Randy Quaid and Jay Baruchel). In Real Time, they spend half the movie driving around Hamilton.

One of the scenes in "Four Brothers" was shot at this old variety store:



Anyway, probably the most classic of my grit threads, Twilight of the Industrial Age: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=186681
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This thread makes me want to go watch The Wire.
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Do you have pics of these areas? I'm curious to see how other cities (besides Detroit or NYC in the '70s) in the US compare to Vancouver's downtown eastside...
http://theredphoenixapl.org/2010/05/...ve-rights-too/


http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/academicreading/2009/02/



A picture inside one of them.



I'll find more.
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You could have told me those Winnipeg shots were taken in Detroit and I would have believed you. Ouch.
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Yeah, in terms of pics showing neighbourhoods as opposed to poor bits and pieces, I think Winnipeg wins so far.
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Yeah, in terms of pics showing neighbourhoods as opposed to poor bits and pieces, I think Winnipeg wins so far.
Winnipeg's North End is probably the worst for crime and poverty.

Here are some tours of poor neighbourhoods in Hamilton (ie, not cherry picked shots of grit). Beasley is the poorest neighbourhood in Hamilton, with an average per capita income of just over $6000 per year.

Beasley: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=159968
Keith: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=166096
North Stipley: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=166988

And of course the tours of Barton Street and Kenilworth Ave I've already posted. There are other very poor areas too, like McAnulty and the Cannon/Wilson corridor through Landsdale and Gibson.
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New York never lost over half its population and most of its key industries.
True, but it was facing declining revenues, a shrinking population (lost about 800,000 people between 1970 and 1980), a spike in crime rates, all while having to deal with good old deindustrialization. If it wasn't for the rebirth of the financial industry, the city would have been trapped in a death spiral.

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You could have told me those Winnipeg shots were taken in Detroit and I would have believed you. Ouch.
You don't even know, man. North Winnipeg is downright healthy compared to Detroit. People may poke fun at it all the time because it's just such an easy target, but there is something about scenes like this that I find just absolutely soul-crushing. It's painful to watch a city slowly die:

(http://zfein.blogspot.ca/2009/08/loc...o-detroit.html)

It's not just one street either; it's row after row of city blocks. And the land itself is so utterly worthless that houses are being sold for the value of their copper pipes.

Being Detroit is suffering.

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Maybe Detroit can rename itself Delta City, and go find this guy:

And behold, his mighty police cruiser lives on, in about the same state of health as Detroit:


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Winnipeg's North End is probably the worst for crime and poverty.

Here are some tours of poor neighbourhoods in Hamilton (ie, not cherry picked shots of grit). Beasley is the poorest neighbourhood in Hamilton, with an average per capita income of just over $6000 per year.

I just took a trip for you guys the other day and took pictures. I put the location of each picture on Google maps so you can see that the images aren't cherry picked. It is taking a while because I am OCD when it comes to pictures, but they will be up within the next couple of days.

Hamilton is really gritty looking. Winnipeg's North End doesn't really have a problem with decrepit buildings because they get burned down as soon as they are vacated. So the problem as of late is the amount of vacant lots that are all over the North End.

I am not sure how it is in Hamilton, but here people love to burn houses, garages, and - before they were all removed and destroyed - dumpsters. A lot of commercial buildings have been burned down as of late as well.
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I don't think there's a lot of arson in Hamilton,obviously there is some,a few of the shots above show burnt buildings. Hamilton is mostly brick, so it might not be as exciting as burning a hundred year old wood frame house in Winnipeg.
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these are about as wretched as anything I have seen in Canada. Truly a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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I've lived in both Hamilton and Winnipeg. Hamilton grit appeals to urban aficionados in a picturesque way, and there are good bones in the brick.

Winnipeg...is just bleak. So bleak.
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