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Old Posted Jul 23, 2015, 8:23 PM
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301 Capitol Mall--Construction at last?

After years of watching two pile driven holes in the ground from out the window, the site appears to be seeing activity. For the last week, a horde of goats was eating away all the dry grass and smaller growth, and today tree cutters are chopping down, chipping up and hauling away the smaller trees that began to grow on the site over the last decade.


Does anyone know if any real construction is afoot?

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2015, 9:19 PM
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Wow goats are out? Must be getting ready for something serious.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2015, 10:13 PM
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Wow goats are out? Must be getting ready for something serious.
OK, OK. Maybe they are just clearing out the homeless campsites and knocking down the small grove of trees that grew up over the last decade or so and sheltered said homeless. But I would like to think this was a sign of something actually happening...
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2015, 10:38 PM
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BillSimmons...I tend to agree with you, in that there are times where "preservation" is unnecessary. But, those preservationists definitely need/deserve to have a voice and a place at the table. Remember the Alhambra?

I have lived in a few cities now and I feel like I have seen some amazing examples of adaptive re-use! Milwaukee has a HUGE historic housing stock and also a HUGE selection of historic buildings in their downtown. There are very few 50s/60s urban renewal shitholes like in Sacramento. They have held tightly on to their history and it has proven to be a great thing. There is a whole neighborhood/district (the 3rd ward) that was, literally, ALL abandoned warehouses and factories when I first moved to Milwaukee in 2004. 10 years later, the neighborhood is thriving and teeming with condos, apartments, shops, restaurants, and lots and lots of people! Tearing down too much and getting rid of "the past" can leave any city bland and lacking culture. I know you're not advocating for something like this. But, pragmatic compromise can lead to major success for both sides and a thriving urban community that celebrates it's past and it's culture. I know Sacramento is not Milwaukee (thankfully). But, I also know that there are lessons to be learned from the preservationists and the new urbanists in both cities.
Wow just now getting to this 15 months later...

Unfortunately I wasn't alive when the Alhambra Theater was still in existence, but I've heard much about it. My grandfather has ranted to me many times about how tearing that down was one of the dumbest things this city has ever done. He said it was the most beautiful theater he ever had the pleasure of visiting, and that they tore it down to build a goddam Safeway! That's just ridiculous.

However, there's a BIG difference between a historic cultural center like the Alhambra Theater vs an abandoned, run-down fire hazard like the Biltmore Hotel, or any of those other abandoned shacks that line J Street in the heart of the city. There's also a big difference in the historic value of, say, the Tower Theater vs Capitol Towers. Tower Theater is a beautiful iconic building that most Sacramentans adore. People would be furious if they tried to tear Tower down. Capitol Towers, on the other hand, is an old, suburban apartment complex in the middle of downtown Sacramento. That is not "Historic." That does not need to be "saved" from the big greedy developers.

That's the kind of thing I was talking about. Too often I see people rallying against any plans that call for tearing down an old building to build a new building, and the argument against doing so typically amounts to "you can't tear this down because it's old." Obviously there are many buildings that should not be torn down, but that doesn't mean NONE of them should be torn down.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 12:52 AM
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The real question is will any of us still be alive when something actually does get built on this site?
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 3:08 PM
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The real question is will any of us still be alive when something actually does get built on this site?
Say, should the website sponsor a contest? Who can predict when a building, or given the foundations pile-driven, two buildings, get finished at the 301 Capitol Mall (3rd / Capitol / 4th / L Street) block?

Winner gets--well, the admiration of readers. Or I will buy them a beer at the Rubicon Brewing Company, if it is still there, or some other local brewery by then.

I say in the year 2023.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 3:16 PM
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Say, should the website sponsor a contest? Who can predict when a building, or given the foundations pile-driven, two buildings, get finished at the 301 Capitol Mall (3rd / Capitol / 4th / L Street) block?

Winner gets--well, the admiration of readers. Or I will buy them a beer at the Rubicon Brewing Company.

I say in the year 2023.
My prediction is that in a year and a half they will announce a mostly commercial building of minimal architectural value, that is shorter than the Wells Fargo Building.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 8:37 PM
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You guys are making me sad. Unfortunately you're probably right.

Twin 4 story Office Buildings. June 2036.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 8:42 PM
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We'll probably end up with something like this.

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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 9:50 PM
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With a WalMart SuperCenter on the ground floor.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2015, 11:50 PM
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We'll probably end up with something like this.

Now that's funny
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2015, 7:12 AM
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Man, seeing this thread with new comments had me believing this project had been revived
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2015, 5:36 AM
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Now that's funny
What's even funnier is that if it were proposed to be torn down today, SacMod would be all up in arms to save it for its historical value.




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I think Saca blew 301CM's chances by introducing the Metropolitan too soon. Also there was Aura and Epic also taking some buyers away.
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2015, 5:23 AM
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Anyone know whether any of the piles driven can even be used at this point?
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2015, 6:06 PM
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Anyone know whether any of the piles driven can even be used at this point?
I would be shocked if they couldn't. Surely whatever gets built there will follow the foundations already established?
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CalPERS plans 30-story tower on infamous Capitol Mall site
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CalPERS plans 30-story tower on infamous Capitol Mall site
A tower or shipping containers with trees?
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