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Old Posted Dec 22, 2010, 8:18 PM
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UDOT hopes U-turn plan will ease Draper intersection congestion

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ongestion.html

DRAPER — Can U-turns cure severe congestion at one of the busiest intersections in the Salt Lake Valley? The Utah Department of Transportation thinks so.

It's planning an innovative overhaul at the intersection of 12300 South and State Street/Minuteman Drive in Draper...


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I laughed so hard when I saw this story on KSL. They were interviewing people about this change and one guy was like, "Oh no, I do that already; I hope that doesn't mean I was breaking the law!"
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UDOT hopes U-turn plan will ease Draper intersection congestion

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ongestion.html

DRAPER — Can U-turns cure severe congestion at one of the busiest intersections in the Salt Lake Valley? The Utah Department of Transportation thinks so.

It's planning an innovative overhaul at the intersection of 12300 South and State Street/Minuteman Drive in Draper...


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This will just move the congestion/accidents from the intersection further east to the U-turn.
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Having a Public Market and a Stadium in the Granary District would be awesome.

Future Mayor, what kind of stadium do you predict will be erected there?
I wouldn't be surprised to see a baseball stadium, MLB, or possibly more likely a new NBA arena. ESA has done a great job in remodeling and adding amenities and as was mentioned on another thread, they still have the ability to add another level of suites if need be, but I would expect that in the next 10 - 15 years the Jazz and the Miller family will be looking to build a new arena. ESA turns 20 in 2011, and I would consider a 30-35 year run a VERY good run for an arena.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see a baseball stadium, MLB, or possibly more likely a new NBA arena. ESA has done a great job in remodeling and adding amenities and as was mentioned on another thread, they still have the ability to add another level of suites if need be, but I would expect that in the next 10 - 15 years the Jazz and the Miller family will be looking to build a new arena. ESA turns 20 in 2011, and I would consider a 30-35 year run a VERY good run for an arena.
If at all possible, I would like to have ESA in whatever new form it may take, stay in its down town location. It does so much to help the businesses that already exist in that area. The dynamic of having the City Creek Center, Temple Square, The Convention Center, Abravanel Hall, The Gateway Mall and ESA all strung together is really incredible. The downtown TRAX line gets a lot of work because of the ESA.

So I guess I would be rooting for an MLB stadium to be built along the new south streetcar line instead.
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I think it will be quite some time before the ESA Arena has outlived it's usefullness. It's still one of the nicer NBA arenas on the continent, especially now. As mentioned, it is more than capable of handleing any future upgrades, and it's exterior design is going to hold it's appeal for an indefinite period of time. Many arenas are firmly grounded in that ugly 60's-70's look, but not the ESA.

We'll see a NFL stadium before the ESA's demise.
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Delts I hope you are right because I love that place and I would love it better if they would rename it The Delta Center.

This is probably out of date by now the situation being that it was put together in 2007, but it certainly still holds some value in understanding the future phases of road construction into the year 2030.




For a High Def. version (with clear street names) click on the WFRC pdf link.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2010, 10:24 PM
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The Western High Speed Rail Alliance (WHSRA) had a very informative and promising conference in late October (in Las Vegas) of this year where many different specialists came and spoke on what would be needed for Denver, Salt Lake City, Reno, Las Vegas and Phoenix to begin a regional high speed rail system. You can see all the different Power Point Presentations by clicking the link below and scrolling down.
http://www.whsra.com/railahead/

I think many here would find the CEO of UTA John Inglish's presentation really interesting.
http://www.whsra.com/sites/all/files...ation%20hj.pdf

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I think it will be quite some time before the ESA Arena has outlived it's usefullness. It's still one of the nicer NBA arenas on the continent, especially now. As mentioned, it is more than capable of handleing any future upgrades, and it's exterior design is going to hold it's appeal for an indefinite period of time. Many arenas are firmly grounded in that ugly 60's-70's look, but not the ESA.

We'll see a NFL stadium before the ESA's demise.
There are actually only Six arena's in the league that are older than ESA:
and only two of them were built in the 60's:
Oracle Arena (1966)
Madison Square Garden (1968)
Palace at Auburn Hills (1988)
Bradley Center (1988)
ARCO Arena (1988)
Target Center (1990)

I have disagree on the NFL stadium before the demise of ESA, I would say a MLB stadium before, but NFL is many many years down the road, if ever. IMO
The owner of the Broncos, currently and will continue to fight SLC getting a team.
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The owner of the Broncos, currently and will continue to fight SLC getting a team.

Is he fighting for SLC to get a team or is he fighting for SLC not to get a team.
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Is he fighting for SLC to get a team or is he fighting for SLC not to get a team.
To not get a team.
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To not get a team.

Ok, then in that case the guy's a jack ass.
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He's simply trying to protect his market share. Whether any of us here are Broncos fan's or not, we are in his geographic market area, and I'm sure he does his research and I'm guessing that the Broncos have a strong draw along the Wasatch Front, he's protecting his investment. So if protecting an investment makes him a jack-ass then I guess we are all jack-asses in our own way.

Not only that, but and NFL franchise is the most expensive franchise of all major sports to own and operate and requires a substantial population and corporate sponsorships, which we simply don't have.
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2010, 4:41 PM
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He's simply trying to protect his market share. Whether any of us here are Broncos fan's or not, we are in his geographic market area, and I'm sure he does his research and I'm guessing that the Broncos have a strong draw along the Wasatch Front, he's protecting his investment. So if protecting an investment makes him a jack-ass then I guess we are all jack-asses in our own way.

Not only that, but and NFL franchise is the most expensive franchise of all major sports to own and operate and requires a substantial population and corporate sponsorships, which we simply don't have.

No, that's just him being greedy. Broncos have a big enough fan base without having to branch out here also. Who is he to say what we have HERE in SLC. I don't really get why people here are Broncos fans, just because they just so happens to be the closest NFL team to us. I've never jumped on their bandwagon. I support my local teams, and if we don't have that team then I don't jump on the bandwagon to whatever team is closest to us. I'm sure the owner of the Broncos is using the old BS that everybody in Utah are LDS and that everybody in Utah goes to church on Sundays. I'm tired of people thinking that of Utah. I wish somebody here would step up and try to get a NFL team here. We don't need Denver to have a Monopoly over us. IMHO.
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No, that's just him being greedy. Broncos have a big enough fan base without having to branch out here also. Who is he to say what we have HERE in SLC. I don't really get why people here are Broncos fans, just because they just so happens to be the closest NFL team to us. I've never jumped on their bandwagon. I support my local teams, and if we don't have that team then I don't jump on the bandwagon to whatever team is closest to us. I'm sure the owner of the Broncos is using the old BS that everybody in Utah are LDS and that everybody in Utah goes to church on Sundays. I'm tired of people thinking that of Utah. I wish somebody here would step up and try to get a NFL team here. We don't need Denver to have a monogamy over us. IMHO.
Monogamy: "having only one spouse at a time"
Monopoly: "To have a monopoly on something; To dominate something by excluding everyone else"

I am guessing you meant the later.

I agree with Mayor. If that is what he does, he is doing exactly what any good owner would do who has invested hundreds of millions of dollars. Don't fool yourself that the Jazz don't ever want an NBA team in Idaho.
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Monogamy: "having only one spouse at a time"
Monopoly: "To have a monopoly on something; To dominate something by excluding everyone else"

I am guessing you meant the later.

I agree with Mayor. If that is what he does, he is doing exactly what any good owner would do who has invested hundreds of millions of dollars. Don't fool yourself that the Jazz don't ever want an NBA team in Idaho.

I can't believe you guys are all ok with this. I for one would like to have our own team here one day and I'm not ok with somebody trying to stop that. Sure there's Jazz fans in Idaho, but I can also see Boise getting their own NBA team one day and I'm sure we as a community as well as the Miller family will support that. It's not like the Jazz will lose all their fans to Bosie's NBA team if they get one and the same would go with us having a NFL team here in SLC. My point is Denver will be just fine. They will still have their fan base. They just don't want the competition.

Also, yes know the meaning of "Monogamy" and "Monopoly" I'm not stupid. I just clicked on the wrong word. ANYBODY could make that same mistake.

Also Future Mayor isn't Mayor yet and I for one don't think I will vote for him come 2019. Why do I want a Mayor who allows Monopoly ( there I got it this time ) in our community from business owners out of state that don't want us to grow in any way. If he's ok with that then that just shows that he isn't going to stand up for our community and allows business owner from out of state to walk all over us. Screw that.
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I'm not saying I would allow and want monopolies. I didn't say it was a monopoly that the Broncos have, you did. I was simply saying that he is protecting his geographic turf as far as sales for merchandise and an expanded fan base. I for one am not a Broncos fan but I know many people locally that are, they are fans because they love the NFL and they want to cheer for a team that is geographically relevant. Thus they choose the Broncos.

Don't think for one second that Greg Miller along with the owner of the Blazers wouldn't fight a team locating to Boise. If Boise had a team that would cut into both fan bases. The Jazz have a HUGE fan base in Idaho, with ticket sales, merchandise sales and TV reach. I am assuming that the western part of Idaho may lean towards the Blazers, again a geographical familiarity and wanting to have a team to cheer for.

An NFL team in Utah would hit the Broncos bottom line, and an NBA team in Boise would hit the Jazz bottom line. Again it's not about being a monopoly, it's about protecting revenues and market share in order to stay viable, competitive and profitable.
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I think you have misunderstood our explanation for what happens in competitive markets for what we would like. Of course, I want an NFL or MLB team, but that doesn't change the fact that I am okay with allowing people to seek their own self interest. I think it is also an exaggeration to assume the Broncos owner has significant sway on that decision. If Utah was ready in all other facets (corporate base, median income and population) then he wouldn't be much of a factor. Remember that the NFL IS a monopoly (monogamy ). They decide what is best for their business model and if they decide that having two teams that close was a bad idea, then that is what will happen. Do you want to force the NFL to locate stadiums in certain areas? I guess right now they are in a monogamous relationship in the Mountain West. They don't want to have multiple partners, because it sounds like Denver isn't okay with a threesome.
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I think you have misunderstood our explanation for what happens in competitive markets for what we would like. Of course, I want an NFL or MLB team, but that doesn't change the fact that I am okay with allowing people to seek their own self interest. I think it is also an exaggeration to assume the Broncos owner has significant sway on that decision. If Utah was ready in all other facets (corporate base, median income and population) then he wouldn't be much of a factor. Remember that the NFL IS a monopoly (monogamy ). They decide what is best for their business model and if they decide that having two teams that close was a bad idea, then that is what will happen. Do you want to force the NFL to locate stadiums in certain areas? I guess right now they are in a monogamous relationship in the Mountain West. They don't want to have multiple partners, because it sounds like Denver isn't okay with a threesome.
Ha ha ha ha hah ha .

And here I was thinking in a comparison of Salt Lake City and Denver, we were supposed to be the more prudish one.

Though I find it very silly to think that anyone could make a distance argument between Denver and SLC or SLC and Boise, especially Denver and SLC. Not only are they far away but the terrain has placed enmity between us that is almost irreconcilable (though I'm very hopeful for a High-Speed Rail project to help break down that barrier. As I kid I knew way more kids that were 49ers fans because of Steve Young (UTE and BYU families alike) than Broncos fans.

I'm rooting for an MLB stadium. Hey, it will cost about the same to build as the Airport TRAX line extension (around $350,000,000). That's not too bad. Once we get bigger than Oregon, which will be soon, I have a feeling we may just have a good shot at it. Not to mention the Bees (in their various reincarnations since the mid 90's) have lured in over 11 million people to Franklin Covey Field (now Spring Mobile Ballpark).

The 11 million figure is one I remember from somewhere, but can't remember the source, so take it with a grain of salt. In 1992-1995 $300,000,000 was spent in the construction of Coors Field in Denver.

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Ha ha ha ha hah ha .


I'm rooting for an MLB stadium. Hey, it will cost about the same to build as the Airport TRAX line extension (around $350,000,000). That's not too bad. Once we get bigger than Oregon, which will be soon, I have a feeling we may just have a good shot at it. Not to mention the Bees (in their various reincarnations since the mid 90's) have lured in over 11 million people to Franklin Covey Field (now Spring Mobile Ballpark).

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How big is Oregon anyways? I know we ( Utah ) has around 2.8 Million.
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My parents are from Denver. Although they are Jazz fans, not Nuggets fans, my family would still be die-hard Broncos fans if Salt Lake City got an NFL team.

P.S., I don't know if you guys have already seen this, but here's a map showing the geographical locations of fans of each NFL team:

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