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Originally Posted by A325
Originally I thought Groupe Germain were in on this so I was kinda of hoping the hotel would look like their hotel in Quebec City but with some modern elements:
Maybe that is not really "Colonial" but I like the concept of "old meets new" for St. John's.
I'm not sure who is doing Philip Pratt's renders these days cause I think he's retired (especially jusging by his gmail business account on the bottom of every page). Given his age he's probably not in tune with the latest architectural software packages. At this very preliminary concept stage they are good enough to get the idea across. I'm sure they'll improve as the project progresses.
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I totally agree. I am infatuated with contemporary architectural design exploring the idea of old meets new. With that said, I want something old in the equation, instead of faux-old. haha
And you're right about Pratt - haha, he's a pretty old guy and surely not up-to-date on all of the tech. We will just hope the quality of the renderings improve (for credibilities sake).
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Originally Posted by Architype
As for the treatment of the façade, it also reminds me of throwing a multi coloured table cloth over an ugly table. Maybe it will be curiously odd or even ugly, but not worse than what already exists.
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I agree. Maybe it will be ugly. But I would prefer something more experimental and funky that is ugly than something that is just ugly... I think 'curiously odd' would be great though! I think any attempt at reinventing something defunct should be embraced for creativity's sake!
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Originally Posted by Horsell
The bottom line here is that no matter what this addition will ultimately look, like the reality is that it will extend an 11 story wall along the waterfront and set a precedent that could lead to that wall being further extended. Remember the Fortis proposal, hmmm, perhaps they should come back to the table with a revised 11 story “block” instead of the 15 story tower, and the hotel at 123 Water, didn’t they scale back from 11 stories to 8? Where has that left them?
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Ahhh - I'm going to have to call
fear-mongering on you. Yes, they are circumventing current regulations, but they are also doing a service to the City by reinventing one of the ugliest structures in the downtown district.
These 3 stories can't really be compared with the Fortis proposal for the DT-Eastend...
Also - indeed they are twisting current regulations, but have you ever considered that the regulations in place are out-dated and ineffective?
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Originally Posted by Townie709
Very clever...
Haha I disagree with this point though, I have a feeling this proposal will see very little opposition. It virtually destroys nobodies view of the harbour and sadly that is all that our selfish citizens care about. Everyone else is in support of it because it takes an old eyesore that everyone hates and turns it into a different kind of an eyesore that we'll hate in another 40 years
Seriously though, I think this will turn out alright and will see very little opposition.
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There will be mixed support. But I'm sure there will be lots of opposition. Any development in this part of Water Street will cause a fight. But I trust the opposition will lose on this one.
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Originally Posted by ajcoffey
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Originally Posted by Marty_Mcfly
"Do we really need another hotel downtown. People keep complaining about parking."
Oh boy...
And I also challenge you to find a mid-sized to large city that doesn't have a parking problem downtown. People have to get over the idea that there's going to be one parking spot downtown for every individual in the city, it isn't possible. It can be somewhat of a challenge in St. John's from time to time, but I've never actually had to turn around and drive away from downtown because I couldn't find a spot.
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Wow - that was a frustrating video. The first 2 were pretty middle-of-the-road and if they had any negative comments, they were a product of the journalist's manipulative wording - "but we're going to lose parking actually..." he'll say trying to instigate some emotional reaction.
The last guy is just annoying. Do people not realize that hotels are built when there is a demand for hotel rooms? haha It's not at random. It's called micro-economics. Demand leads to supply. And maybe the developer doesn't want to build parking! haha too often does the "public" confuse public and private business when talking about development.
But perfect point re downtown parking. It can be annoying. But it's annoying in every City. With that said, I always find a spot sooner or later.