Northeast False Creek | Proposed - Page 3

fever · #41 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 6:10 AM**

The job space figure includes institutional uses, so the actual office space is going to be much less than the 1.8 msf stated. I think it's deceptive, but it is clear what is meant if you read the panels.

Another issue is that art galleries usually prefer artificial or diffuse light, and it would be silly for any building on this site not to take advantage of its views. I think it needs to be taken into consideration when designing the building. For example, it could have an interior area with traditional display space and an exterior area, especially on the south side, with event space and large lobby.

On the Leidseplein example, traffic may technically be allowed there (I don't remember cars there) but mostly it's streetcars, bikes, and pedestrians. It's a beautiful square, a very good model for Robson square, being bisected by a narrow streetcar/pedestrian street. http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&q=L...04828&t=k&z=18

Yeah, I think they are focusing too much on pedestrian connections to Georgia and Smithe. They could make excellent connections to both streets, but then they'd be left with the far more difficult problem of getting people to like walking beside expressways (or redesigning those streets). Those connections won't solve the problem of connecting this area to the existing area of busy pedestrian activity. There needs to be a good connection to Robson.

twoNeurons · #42 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 7:33 AM**

Although the gallery itself would be a black box inside, there's no reason why the outside has to be.

There's still an opportunity to have the gallery cafeterias, for example, with the view. Also, a public plaza on the outside. The building's water face doesn't necessarily have to be a blank wall. It could be a grand glass entrance.

A roof-top terrace would work well as well.

I'm not saying it's a good location for it.. but it's better than another condo. At least it's a public building.

duener · #43 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 9:20 AM**

Thank goodness the art gallery can't be another glass tower; I think that alone will make it interesting and stick out from the surrounding forrest of towers.

So maybe in keeping with the west coast theme, the art gallery could be designed as a giant rock covered in moss. I'm thinking toned down Gehry style with added vegetation.

Or if it were a large glowing pink blob, that might brighten up all those dark drizzly days and provide a beacon hope.

Locked In · #44 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by fever

Another issue is that art galleries usually prefer artificial or diffuse light, and it would be silly for any building on this site not to take advantage of its views. I think it needs to be taken into consideration when designing the building. For example, it could have an interior area with traditional display space and an exterior area, especially on the south side, with event space and large lobby.

I think the newly renovated AGO provides a nice example of an exhibition space that is open to the light (north-facing, albeit). Of course, there isn't much of a view from there, and the proposed location of a new VAG is much more prominent, so I think we can aim even higher. I'd love to see the art gallery really interact with the waterfront... cafes, shops, maybe gallery space that could open to the outdoors...
I also agree that vibrant connections to busy pedestrian corridors (such as Robson) are important.
Anyways, here are a couple pictures of the AGO (my pics). Thoughts?

officedweller · #45 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 6:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by cornholio

^Yeah I kind of understood that but how often do they overflow. I was under the impression that it was not very common.
Any idea how often it does overflow?

Recently due to the snow melt. Otherwise, just after heavy rains.

WRT the AGO, the atrium on the north side looks great (though it does overpower the streetscape), but the new galleries in the tower are practically a windowless box (south and west sides):

Pic posted by BobBob on UrbanTO Forum:

Extensive use of louvres (posted by Interchange42 at UrbanTO Forum):

jlousa · #46 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 7:20 PM**

Think they are going more for a Tate Modern concept, both in look and feel.

djmk · #47 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 7:37 PM**

really tate modern? wouldn't a art deco massive brick factory just look a tad out of place on the waterfront? maybe in yaletown....

i'm betting gordo will insist plenty of BC wood to be used, highlighted and show pieced to the world.

metroXpress · #48 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 8:35 PM**

^^underwater development sounds great! Better than putting a ferris wheel.

metroXpress · #49 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 8:40 PM**

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Dive in your Hotel Bed
A new type of hotel resort will start populating our oceans in the near futur : the Underwater Hotels

Once again Jules Vernes vision comes true

The first 220-suite hotel , Hydropolis is due to open in Dubai at the end of 2007. Currently under construction (it started in 2005) Hydropolis is the world's first luxury underwater hotel.
A vast land station welcome guests , a tunnel Hall transport people by train to the main area of the hotel, and the 220 bubble-shaped suites in a submarine leisure area.Each room will have bathtub and clear glass.

Guest will sleep with the fishes 20m below the surface of the Arabian Gulf.Two translucent domes will house a concert auditorium and a ballroom that break the water s surface, three bars, a cosmetic surgery clinic, a marine biology research institute, a library, a museum, prayer rooms, a private cinema, a retail area selling ocean-related wares, and three 150-seat restaurants.

The investement is Euros 550 million worth.It will benefit construction technologies employed in submarines and offshore platforms. It is supported by the Dubai Development and Investment Authority.

Next to come Hydropalace will be near Quingdao in China.I is expected to be ready for the Olympic Games.

But numerous projects now take place. Monaco in Europe could be one location.

In Fidji Islands, at a smlaller scale the Poseidon project features a 5 stars Hotel, with 20 suites of 51 M², and 2 larger ones.
Opening in December 2007

French Sea Explorer and film maker
Commandant Jacques Yves Cousteau who made millions people discover the beauty of the oceans would be amazed to see this.

Do you book a room ?

Source: http://via-venture.over-blog.com/

cornholio · #50 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 10:37 PM**

Jlousa it sounds like your trying to say the old expo glass building(Edewater Casino) will stay and house the art gallery. I suppose its a alright plan though im not sure if the building has enough space. Maybe a addition to the north. In any case it leaves tons of space between the glass wall and the building inside which would definitely allow for a nice public space that takes full advantage of the southern exposure. Plus I suppose there is some history in that building already.

Personally I hope they would take on more of a aboriginal art theme to the work in side and and the design outside. Its something thats local and would help the art gallery stand out be unique and attract tourists. Something like 25%aboriginal art mostly from BC and some from Canada 25%local art 50%open to any art. The gallery can than try and market its self as maybe the largest collection of aboriginal art from the PNW, or something like that.
What ever is being used to house it could use design and outside art inspired from a type of fusion of aboriginal art and the regular every art gallery in the world art.

officedweller · #51 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 11:01 PM**

The only problem with that is it would overlap with the Museum of Antropology at UBC and also a proposed Aboriginal Museum for the Larwill Park site (or elsewhere).

djmk · #52 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 11:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by cornholio

Personally I hope they would take on more of a aboriginal art theme to the work in side and and the design outside. Its something thats local and would help the art gallery stand out be unique and attract tourists. Something like 25%aboriginal art mostly from BC and some from Canada 25%local art 50%open to any art. The gallery can than try and market its self as maybe the largest collection of aboriginal art from the PNW, or something like that.
What ever is being used to house it could use design and outside art inspired from a type of fusion of aboriginal art and the regular every art gallery in the world art.

the Royal BC museum and the Museum of Anthropology has lots of Native stuff, plus i heard that there might be a dedicated Native art museum in the works for Vancouver that might house more contemporary works.

edit: same answer as officedweller

cornholio · #53 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 11:21 PM**

I see...Though I was thinking more of modern/new native art not what you would get in the Museum of Anthropology or Victoria.
I guess I wanted the art gallery to be a bit unique to our corner o the world, plus native art is different, interesting and is a tourist magnet.
Guess I have to go check out what this Larwille gallery/museum will be.

edit: would that Larwill park site not have been in the proposed cultural district next to the art gallery?
If the art gallery wont be located there than they should move it to false creek where the new gallery will be and incorporate them together as one gallery or two joined galleries. By the sounds of it the proposed Larwille gallery wouldent be big enough to really attract too many people(yet another undersized attraction that doesnt get any attention), it would benefit a great deal if it were joined with the Vancouver art gallery to get more exposure and create a greater critical mass to draw in people. Their both related in who they try to attract so why not work together and feed of each other.

edit: I cant seem to find much info on this proposed aboriginal art museum...doen anyone have any info?

Canadian Mind · #54 Posted **Jan 30, 2009, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Allen

Source: http://via-venture.over-blog.com/

nifty, but even that doesn't look to be fully underwater.

Overground · #55 Posted **Jan 31, 2009, 1:04 AM**

Speaking of the Tate Modern and brick. Here is the revised Herzog & de Meuron design for the extension on the Southwark side. I liked the previous glass pyramid/step thing they had but people didn't like the design. I could see something like this in Yaletown or Gastown but not by the stadium. What caught my eye is the planned size of the museum in comparison to what VAG might be and the similar planned space around it and new density.

model photos showing the density - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=317

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officedweller · #56 Posted **Jan 31, 2009, 1:15 AM**

Reminds me of Ryerson's Library in Toronto (and not in a good way):

Overground · #57 Posted **Jan 31, 2009, 1:30 AM**

yip...I knew there was something it reminded me of. To me, it's also got that 70s/early 80s brick look to it. Not a good thing.

I don't know if anyone saw it but here is the previous design they dumped.

officedweller · #58 Posted **Jan 31, 2009, 7:35 AM**

I like the previous design better - but in BC it would be a leaky mess with all of those joints to seal up.

deasine · #59 Posted **Jan 31, 2009, 9:48 AM**

Something transparent and round will be perfect imo

dreambrother808 · #60 Posted **Jan 31, 2009, 12:52 PM**

sad... that looks a lot better