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Where are they going to stick the dumpsters?
That’s the thing, nowhere!

For example, here in Japan there are no dumpsters! Just some recycling bins for pedestrians.

Stores keep their garbage inside, which is then picked up nightly by the city.

Then of course there are other private removal services available.

This is a key reason why entertainment areas in Japan can utilize their alleyways so well. Similar in many parts of Europe as well. The dumpsters in commercial / residential areas feels very North American, and it sucks. Industrial areas? Sure. Elsewhere, no.
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That’s the thing, nowhere!

For example, here in Japan there are no dumpsters! Just some recycling bins for pedestrians.

Stores keep their garbage inside, which is then picked up nightly by the city.

Then of course there are other private removal services available.

This is a key reason why entertainment areas in Japan can utilize their alleyways so well. Similar in many parts of Europe as well. The dumpsters in commercial / residential areas feels very North American, and it sucks. Industrial areas? Sure. Elsewhere, no.
That might work in Japan, because that's the system that's been around for many years, presumably. Here, we don't have built-in spaces to store garbage, or City collection of commercial garbage, or employees, vehicles and facilities to provide that sort of service. So your idea isn't realistic.

The Water Street re-working was discussed a few weeks ago on another thread. I pointed out there that paved streets aren't a good idea because they gradually look messy, and then terrible, as it's not practical to expect repairs or new service connections to water, sewer and fibre optic cables (all buried in the street), to return the look of the street. It's better to have a design that is easily replicated, like asphalt, with a few granite sett or red brick accents that can be put back successfully after work has been completed.
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Pretty sure council/BIA are too attached to the brick/stone pavers in any revitalization.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2023, 4:26 AM
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as they should be. the brick/stone needs to be a must-have in any future. it really does add to the area.

its not that hard to work around. i have had to deal with special paving on street in some of my work. the hardest part was getting CoV Streets to take their special stones back. they said they had no space to store them. only after i told them i would keep them for my own yard landscaping did they finally find some space to store them.
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Where are they going to stick the dumpsters?
I bet some space for a few Moloks could be found.
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Old Posted Nov 7, 2023, 4:34 AM
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That might work in Japan, because that's the system that's been around for many years, presumably. Here, we don't have built-in spaces to store garbage, or City collection of commercial garbage, or employees, vehicles and facilities to provide that sort of service. So your idea isn't realistic.

The Water Street re-working was discussed a few weeks ago on another thread. I pointed out there that paved streets aren't a good idea because they gradually look messy, and then terrible, as it's not practical to expect repairs or new service connections to water, sewer and fibre optic cables (all buried in the street), to return the look of the street. It's better to have a design that is easily replicated, like asphalt, with a few granite sett or red brick accents that can be put back successfully after work has been completed.
Well, how does any system start? better today than later. Maybe there should be city collection of commercial garbage in certain areas. And if the tiny tiny commercial spaces crowded in super dense Japanese cities can find space to store their garbage, I'm sure businesses in Vancouver can figure it out. Maybe that would also be a good way to encourage businesses to produce less waste too. How green is that!?

Start on a couple select areas, and expand from there. The alleyways in Gastown have commercial potential, no better place to have a pilot project.
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Maybe there should be city collection of commercial garbage in certain areas.
CoV used to collect commercial bins back in the day. was privatized sometime in the 1990s. they used smaller trucks than the new ones, on purpose, as they fit better, and wouldnt damage the hydro poles, etc. they gave a better service at a lower price. the city recently privatized their pick up of recycling. its been a mess ever since. i doubt the city will go back into these fields.
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I think centralized locations for collection came up in the last Gastown street design (the Complete Streets program, which it looks like they ditched all the previous engagement?). They ran into the same issue of where, what, and how (and how much).
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I think centralized locations for collection came up in the last Gastown street design (the Complete Streets program, which it looks like they ditched all the previous engagement?). They ran into the same issue of where, what, and how (and how much).
From the Gastown Business Improvement Society study?

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From the Gastown Business Improvement Society study?

https://www.canadianarchitect.com/ph...uvers-gastown/
I'm always getting the BIA design / concept confused with the City's! Thanks.
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That might work in Japan, because that's the system that's been around for many years, presumably. Here, we don't have built-in spaces to store garbage, or City collection of commercial garbage, or employees, vehicles and facilities to provide that sort of service. So your idea isn't realistic.

The Water Street re-working was discussed a few weeks ago on another thread. I pointed out there that paved streets aren't a good idea because they gradually look messy, and then terrible, as it's not practical to expect repairs or new service connections to water, sewer and fibre optic cables (all buried in the street), to return the look of the street. It's better to have a design that is easily replicated, like asphalt, with a few granite sett or red brick accents that can be put back successfully after work has been completed.
Looks like Vancouver can't get anything to work. According to you, it looks like the City can't even implement a system to remove all dumpsters in alleys over time, and that the city's paver streets are somehow inferior and always result in looking "messy" while other places somehow make them work so well. Great faith you got there in our City Hall, but then again why am I not surprised. I suppose you are acknowledging that we are always inferior.

FYI, if turned into a low-traffic or purely pedestrian street, pavers or cobblestones can last forever.
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Looks like Vancouver can't get anything to work. According to you, it looks like the City can't even implement a system to remove all dumpsters in alleys over time, and that the city's paver streets are somehow inferior and always result in looking "messy" while other places somehow make them work so well. Great faith you got there in our City Hall, but then again why am I not surprised. I suppose you are acknowledging that we are always inferior.

FYI, if turned into a low-traffic or purely pedestrian street, pavers or cobblestones can last forever.
It's not the traffic that puts asphalt holes in the pavers, it's broken water mains and new sewer connections. Even when they're replaced after being dug up (which doesn't always happen), they don't match, and it's almost impossible to relay them level without lifting a much larger area, and using equipment to level and firm the base. That's expensive and disruptive. The cortyard in front of the Chinese Cutural Centre is another area of terrible paving, with a serious flooding problem. That's supposed to be replaced sometime as well.

If the response to the City survey agrees that 1970's paving is the way for Gastown to remain, then maybe that's the way it'll stay. No doubt the fake names like Blood Alley will stick too.
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It's not the traffic that puts asphalt holes in the pavers, it's broken water mains and new sewer connections.
You're correct in saying that utility cuts aren't caused by motor vehicle traffic. But the extra weight of vehicles does cause the pavers to breakdown faster than they would otherwise.
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They've torn down that boarded up building on Thurlow for 1065 Harwood/1332 Thurlow

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1065-ha...thurlow-street

And I'm not 100% sure but I think 1066/1078 Harwood was also demolished

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1066-1078-harwood-st
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They've torn down that boarded up building on Thurlow for 1065 Harwood/1332 Thurlow

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1065-ha...thurlow-street

And I'm not 100% sure but I think 1066/1078 Harwood was also demolished

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1066-1078-harwood-st
For some reason whatnext mentioned them earlier on a thread for a Barclay street development. I noted there that the site for 1065 Harwood is completely clear (was The Shelly, 1955). The Development Permit was only issued on 28 September - so they're moving at breakneck speed.

The site for 1066 Harwood (was Bay Vista, 1957) is in process of being demolished - all the stucco has been removed (which has to be handled carefully as it may have had asbestos included in the mix). The building should be cleared very soon.
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They've torn down that boarded up building on Thurlow for 1065 Harwood/1332 Thurlow

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1065-ha...thurlow-street

And I'm not 100% sure but I think 1066/1078 Harwood was also demolished

https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/1066-1078-harwood-st
Most of the info you posted is already on page 1 post 4, mere hours before Changing City(#6) and you(#7) posted other info on the same page. The city link on page 1 is more current, both in regard to final look but also status.
The two buildings on the southside of Harwood have now both been knocked down though.
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Cohen Block flythrough video

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzHIPoMRgoW/

Wishful thinking on their video with the reality of the area.

Seems like 1700 Alberni/Heatherwick is still progressing:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzWoAJJpaIZ/
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