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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:49 PM
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After going through the threads I feel its time we have a thread dedicated to the Events Centre, especially since we are going to seeing more plans and more happening in the next year on this project.

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All the images are taken out of the Moncton Downtown thread and all photos from the Moncton City Website.

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:55 PM
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You may be right, but this is still nothing more than a proposal at the present time, so if you don't mind, i might request one of our new mods (ahem Myles, Greg) to change the title of the thread to something like:

[Moncton] Downtown Events Centre (proposal)

While you're at it guys, for the sake of maintaining naming conventions, perhaps you could change the Moncton Ideas thread to:

[Moncton] Ideas

Here's the URL for the webcam at the events centre construction site. Enjoy.

http://www.moncton.ca/Visitors/Web_C...own_Centre.htm
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 4:56 PM
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Ahhh! Specific project threads for Moncton, I love it!

Is this the incredible shrinking event centre you joked about, MonctonRad?

MonctonCore, you should dig up whatever information has been posted in other threads and consolidate it here. And get a picture (even just a Google Street View capture) of what the site looks like today.

Here's the thread for ours, just to show you what I mean. And if you have any ideas how we can make ours better, easier to read, whatever, please don't hesitate to comment there.
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Ahhh! Specific project threads for Moncton, I love it!

Is this the incredible shrinking event centre you joked about, MonctonRad?

MonctonCore, you should dig up whatever information has been posted in other threads and consolidate it here. And get a picture (even just a Google Street View capture) of what the site looks like today.
Yes, this is indeed the Incredible Shrinking Events Centre

Probably about 40% of the posts in the [Moncton] Centre (inside Wheeler) thread are about the events centre, so I don't think it is practical to move them all here, but I agree that some of the more important posts should be moved. I will do that tonight or within the next couple of days.

BTW, with this new thread, I am worried about some confusion with the name of the existing [Moncton] Centre thread. I am therefore proposing the following change:

That the [Moncton] Centre (inside Wheeler) Developments thread be renamed to the [Moncton] Downtown (inside Wheeler) Developments thread.

I have already PM'ed Myles about this. Greg handled the other change quite expeditiously....

It's so great having local moderators!

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Old Posted Jan 16, 2013, 7:03 PM
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That is the ever shrinking Event Centre. At this rate, it'll be built sometime in 2120, and it will consist of an unpaved parking lot and a park bench in the middle of it.

Until then though, there was a lot of discussion about it in the Inside Wheeler thread, including the proposals that were made for it.
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As far as i'm concerned if it holds any less than a capacity of 10,000 it's a letdown.
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Removed the (Inside Wheeler) portion of the thread title. I think we all know where Downtown Moncton is.
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Removed the (Inside Wheeler) portion of the thread title. I think we all know where Downtown Moncton is.
When I created the thread, I was trying to divide up Moncton into neighbourhoods so that we could have neighbourhood focussed discussions, I thought we needed some idea as to where the dividing line between "downtown" and the "northwest end" and "Moncton east" was. I arbitrarily used Wheeler Blvd as the dividing line.

I thought a definition was necessary because some people would have a very narrow view of where "downtown" Moncton is. For example, some would claim that downtown is bounded by Vaughan Harvey, Mountain Rd and King St. North of this you would have "north central Moncton" and west of this you would have the "west end". I just didn't want to get too neighbourhood specific.

Still, the original title of the thread was pretty cumbersome, and as long as everyone maintains the understanding that "downtown" means "within the confines of Wheeler Blvd", then I am cool with changing the name of the thread to [Moncton] Downtown Developments
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OK - I will select a few posts from the Moncton Downtown thread dealing with the events centre proposal.

#1 - regarding my impressions from attending the intial presentation at Moncton City Hall chambers nearly a year ago:

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OK - in a nutshell this is what happened.........

Moncton City Council invited four local architectural firms to submit renderings as to what they think the proposed events centre and ancillary developments could look like. There is no guarantee that any of these renderings will reflect what the final project will look like, or even that the events centre will definitely be approved in the first place.

This presentation therefore was made to fire the imagination of those in attendance, and to garner further public support for this project.

The presentation was made in a packed city council chambers. It was standing room only will people spilling out into the lobby outside. The energy in the room was very positive and the atmosphere was charged with excitement. The mayor and a number of city councillors were in attendance as well as Robert Goguen, the federal MP for Moncton.

Personal observations:

- All four presentations referred to the project as the Moncton Centre. I presume that this is the official "placeholder" name for the project until something better comes along.
- All four presentations were good, but I agree with mattyy that two in particular stood out. These were the ones by Architects Four and Architecture 2000. These were the most professional and included CGI flyby animations, but aside from this, they had the most impressive features.
- All four proposals would site the arena where the current Highfield Square is located, with a mixed use development being built on the current parking lot which includes retail, commercial and residential components.
- In all cases, Highfield Street would be extended south to lie between the arena and the mixed use development. In one case, vehicle access would be limited. In another case, Weldon would also be extended south and a roadway would be created encircling the arena.
- In two cases, the proposals included an extension of the project to also include lands on the south side of the railway tracks (as suggested on our forum ), with one of these proposals including mixed use and parking south of the rail lines while the other proposal included an innovative integrated transit facility for Codiac Transo, VIA Rail and possibly Acadian Lines. This would be accomplished by relocating the VIA station to the new transit hub.
- The Architects Four proposal for the arena had the arena oriented along Main St with a strong streetfront presence with retail and restaurants lining the facade. The Architecture 2000 proposal had the arena obliquely oriented, parallelling the rail line rather than Main St. This allowed for a plaza in front of the arena facing Main St. This proposal also envisaged restaurants and pubs lining the streetfront, but the plaza in front allowed for patios in front of the restaurants.
- all four proposals included public spaces but these were in completely different locations depending on the proposal. The concept of an integrated convention facility was brought up a couple of times. One proposal included an art gallery.
- None of the proposals indicated any linkage to the Aquillini block across the street, but this could easily be addressed.

In essence, this is a transformative project that will completely resculpt two or possibly three city blocks (four if you include Aquillini). The downtown will most definitely never be the same if this project moves forward......

It was actually quite emotional watching these presentations in the council chamber. I don't think I was the only person who felt this way.
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#2 - pierremoncton posted this, including a link to a city hall website with numerous architectural renderings for review:


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The city has posted 56 renderings here: http://www.moncton.ca/Moncton__Our_T...Renderings.htm

A couple of interesting ones:

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#3 - mctnguy provided this link to a youtube video of the presentation (very informative, a must see really):


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Here's a video of the presentation:

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Event Centre

The thing I do like Architects 4's idea because its affordable design, but some changes would be, one the plaza, I find its just really bland, it doesn't look like a place people would want to gather around, I would like to see some color, it could use maybe a restaurant area/bar facing the plaza, some more statues and art work. Two The street presence isn't attractive at all needs entrances form Main st.... actually I guess i'm not a fan of it , if we could just incorporate bits of each would be awesome.

Architecture 2000's is by far the best, I think that it would be affordable if it was done in phases ( except the rail ). The whole project wouldn't be exactly the same, change the transit hub to something similar to the go transit rail crossing in Pickering.



Bring that across to a redeveloped lot or parking garage/transit hub Codiac Transpo and it would look great. Basically my point it Architecture 2000's render is affordable especially if its tweaked a bit, but keeping the beautiful colours and art work like in the video.

Photo from the Pickering Go transit site.
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I find the North facing view of the Architects 4 proposal really telling. In the bottom right corner across Highfield you can see stairs leading down (underground parking / tunnel under the tracks?), also there appears to be some sort of patio features included in the design - on the upper level of the arena, on the roof of the convention centre space, and as well in the corner of the large plaza facing Highfield (possibly promoting the concept of a sports bar/restaurant). Overall a very practical concept and fitting to the area. I think I find the others unnecessarily flashy to the point of being unrealistic (but this is coming from a modest SJer). The designer also clearly put their attention on the arena alone, whereas my feeling on the others is that the add-ons (surrounding condos/transit centres/etc) are a bit of a distraction from the central purpose of a downtown events centre.
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I heard news that the City has just put this out as a Design-Build project instead of going with any of the Architect's proposals. Has anyone heard anything about this?
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I heard news that the City has just put this out as a Design-Build project instead of going with any of the Architect's proposals. Has anyone heard anything about this?
The renderings posted here were really nothing more than part of a visioning exercise. The last I heard was that the city had issued a "request for qualifications" from developers and this could have been structured as a design/build type of thing....
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The Events Center ridiculous saga continues...

Moncton's Events Center project has become a complete travesty. This travesty is being fueled by the egoistic untruths of Downtown Moncton Centre-ville Inc. Everyone, over the past several years, has been brainwashed into assuming that the ONLY possible place to build the Events Center was Highfield Square, nobody ever pointed out, until today, that HS is the worst possible place to invest huge amounts of money. The ultimate question is: Should our first priority be to worry about building any project simply because we want to patch-up and replace vacant Highfield Square? Or do we want to find the ideal location for the maximum benefit of the Sports and Entertainment Center itself? Both of these possibilities are mutually exclusive. An ideal location must have on-site parking for 3,500 vehicles and offer in years to come ample space for expansion. Read a truthful analysis at website www.totot.ca
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Lower Coverdale?! Are you serious? One of the major selling points of this whole plan is to help you downtown and make Moncton not so drearily sprawl-dependant, and you're suggesting the events centre be put kilometres away from downtown on the other side of the river?

Not to mention that website has a list of "problems" with the Highfield Sq site that is so full of uneducated logical fallacies, I don't even know where to begin.
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The Events Center doesn’t have to be on Main Street,
Taxpayers need truth-telling from the media but aren’t getting it; all they get is the same old lame story that will never come true. A new location is now available, the land will be owned by City of Moncton and no upfront money is needed. It truly is a signature destination called TROPICAL GARDENS.
Located only 8 km from central downtown Moncton. See it at: www.totot.ca

Downtown will never find investors for such a mega project because anyone managing money knows the facts that you can read here: : http://www.eurasiareview.com/2306201...es-build-oped/

Another ridiculous myth is that a new building downtown will rejuvenate the downtown core. That’s exactly like an old woman buying a new hat thinking that wearing this new hat will turn her into an attractive desirable twenty year old. Unfortunately for her, she will always be an old lady with a new hat. Ask yourself if an aging downtown can regain the blush of youth by adding one new building?

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