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Isn't it also cheaper to build a skyscraper over there?
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Old Posted Jan 2, 2008, 5:20 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if Hong Kong beats New York at #of skyscrapers in 10 or 15 years.
Doesn't it already?
I think it's rather a question of when New York won't be in the #of skyscrapers top 10 anymore, 10-15 years?
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2008, 8:53 AM
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Lol, New York is still the skyscraper capital of the world. For now.

OMG! That's HUGE! And it's not even finished yet! Does the scaly looking facade have anything to do with Dragons?
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Well... that photoshop job (previous page) is kinda misleading. Place it right next to ESB so it has the correct scale. It looks like it's towering over the east side of midtown the way it is here. It's not twice as tall as Chrysler. Still, it is a giant.
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Let us not forget the facts of cheap labour, and how much easier their approval process is.
Exactly. Skyscrapers develop in Asia much faster than they do in the US now - that's an undisputable fact, but let's also not forget the realities that make this fact what it is.
     
     
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the hong kong government is now speeding up the construction planning process of the west kowloon station of canton-shenzhen-hongkong high speed railway. the construction will start next year probably and finish within 4 years. and now they are planning a landmark supertall above the railway terminal that is as great as ICC as mentioned in the news

     
     
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Good !
That'll be the missing link between Union Square and the Vicoria Towers.
     
     
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Aboveday, I presume you're living in HK and you should be aware that in these days, 28 stories is already too tall for HK people standard. So forget about it.
     
     
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Sigh, if only we could use slave labor and regulations to get skyscrapers in America built.

Comparing building growth in some of these countries with the US would be as worthwhile as bragging about how much Americans build sprawl.
     
     
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Let us not forget the facts of cheap labour, and how much easier their approval process is.
Exactly. If the standards in Hong Kong for the construction of a skyscraper were applied in the United States, then New York, Chicago, L.A., Houston, etc... would have much different skylines.
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Sigh, if only we could use slave labor and regulations to get skyscrapers in America built.
Slave labour? Are you joking?
There are more people willing to work for lower wages in China than in the US. Just like there are more people willing to work for lower wages in the US than in Western Europe. Very simple.

It is always entertaining to here lame explanations to why the US is getting completely sodomized by Asian countries when it comes to skyscraper construction.
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Exactly. If the standards in Hong Kong for the construction of a skyscraper were applied in the United States, then New York, Chicago, L.A., Houston, etc... would have much different skylines.
I agree with Staff...this is complete BS. Skyscrapers in the US are built by market conditions and only New York City has the density to build them out of necessity.

HK on the other hand is on an entirely different plane.
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plinko-Dac was talking about the lower wages and faster approvals and staff was talking about Capsule F who didn't think enough to realize that slavery is illegal in Hong Kong and it doesn't have anything to do with the construction of it's current skyscrapers.

And yes, if the U.S. labor wages we're lowered then we might have many more skyscrapers. But I doubt it since lowering wages usually means bad economy. I don't think any slaves work on skyscrapers anywhere in the world. You can't just be told to do something since you have to be trained, and have skills in working in skyscraper construction.

I don't think a skyscraper as tall as the ICC would look good next to the Victoria Towers but maybe in a more visible location near the waterfront or in a large park.

Anyways, nobody has answered my question: What was the main inspiration source for this building? Does the scaly looking facade have anything to do with dragons?
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2008, 2:14 AM
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The main point here is, like plinko stated, that skyscrapers in the US (except for on Manhattan) aren't built out of necessity. Land prices are generally really low, and if all skyscrapers in the world would be built out of necessity, then Europe (where land is scarce) would have way more tall buildings than the US.

The closest thing to slave labour when it comes to skyscrapers would be the situation in Dubai - but it is hardly slaves as the workers are there by free will.
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Let us not forget the facts of cheap labour, and how much easier their approval process is.
Or, more importantly, the fact that the government owns all the land, and it leases it out; no rent-seeking slumlords in HK.
     
     
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What was the main inspiration source for this building? Does the scaly looking facade have anything to do with dragons?

"Square in plan, the tower’s re-entrant corners taper to create a graceful profile against the sky. At its base, the tower splays out, creating an impression of a plant emerging from the ground. The walls of the tower peel away at the base, creating canopies on three sides, and a dramatic atrium on the north side. The atrium gestures towards the rest of the development and serves as a public linkage space to the retail and rail station functions. The four façade elements extend up beyond the roof and slope back to create the building’s profile. During the day, the transparent crown dissolves against the sky; at night this volume will appear as a glowing beacon."

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Isn't it also cheaper to build a skyscraper over there?
For your reference:The construction cost of 2IFC was 2.5 billion USD at 2003(Wiki) ,the land prices of ICC & Phase 6 were 2.5 billion USD in total at 2000.
     
     
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Those views from the air are amazing.
US looks like a fortress.
     
     
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