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Old Posted Nov 30, 2012, 2:49 PM
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The most they could ask for is 33% so that's $333,333,333.33. But I doubt they would ask that much from the city. I'm guessing $100 to $250 million.
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I can't see the city contributing a dime. There are just too many other priorities that need to be taken care of.

The only reason councillors got on board was because they were told that the province would fully fund it. Without full provincial funding the project will not proceed.
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I don't think anyone on Council is naive enough to think they won't have to pay a dime, although I doubt it would be $250 million. Toronto did not have to contribute that much for several LRT lines!

It has been said before, the province will fund a barebones LRT system, the city will fund street improvements to go along with it.
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2012, 7:27 PM
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It's probably going to be about $100 million to upgrade King St and parts of Main St (that hasn't been done since what 1960s?). I'd assume the City will have to pay for the LRT bridge over the 403.
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It's probably going to be about $100 million to upgrade King St and parts of Main St (that hasn't been done since what 1960s?). I'd assume the City will have to pay for the LRT bridge over the 403.
Could the part over the 403 bridge be single track for a stretch to save costs? I'm most familiar with Dresden's system and they have a few small sections that are single track. For example the number 13 between Bautznerstr and Bischofsweg. They run trains every 10 minutes in both directions at peak times.
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AG PR: COST OVERRUNS CHALLENGE METROLINX, AUDITOR GENERAL SAYS

(TORONTO) Several high-priority, multi-million dollar projects of Metrolinx’s Regional Transportation Plan (RTP), including the Presto fare-card system, have proven costly and challenging to implement, Auditor General Jim McCarter says in his 2012 Annual Report.

“By the time it is fully developed, Presto will be among the more expensive fare-card systems in the world, and more than $700 million may have been paid to the contractor for developing it,” McCarter said today after the Report was released. “As well, one of the RTP’s key strategies, and an underlying reason for Presto, was to integrate transit fare systems within the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area, but this has not yet happened.”

In the 905 region, seven of eight municipal transit agencies use Presto, but its overall usage on those systems was only about 6% as of March 31, 2012. These transit systems have not been able to eliminate their old fare systems in favour of Presto because of the fare card’s limitations.

Following are some of the Auditor General’s other significant findings:

• Metrolinx’s initial assumptions about projected annual ridership on the Air Rail Link (ARL) between Union Station and Pearson Airport may well be overly optimistic, according to a market assessment study. If so, operating the ARL on a break-even basis, if that is indeed the intention, may not be feasible.

• The two major projects related to the revitalization of Union Station under the RTP have experienced significant cost increases over their initial estimates. The cost of restoring the train shed could reach $270 million—25% more than Metrolinx’s initial estimate. The cost of replacing switches in the Union Station rail corridor could be more than twice the $38 million on the original purchase order.
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In celebration of the fourth anniversary of the plan's publication, Metrolinx has unveiled The Big Move website.
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I just love how this transportation project went from 2020 to 2031...anyone else slightly dissatisfied?

http://www.bigmove.ca/what-were-buil...-big-move-2031
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Hamilton Fact Sheet

Frustration. Gridlock again. You are going to be late. Getting around doesn’t feel easy. In fact, it feels unnecessarily difficult.

But what if you had choices?

What if there was a light rail line from McMaster University to Eastgate Square? What if Union Station was less hectic to get around? What if the whole system was designed to make your life easier?

The average GTHA commuter spends 82 minutes trying to get to and from work every day. If we don’t take action now against congestion, it could grow to 109 minutes. That’s a Hollywood film! Imagine doing that five times a week.

You are wondering how Hamilton is going to keep up. Hamilton is a bustling city with a thriving core but the major artery, the GO line, was built in 1967. However, the population has almost doubled since then.

Want a solution? You aren’t alone. Over 88 percent of residents in GTHA have said that it’s important to reduce congestion, expand and increase the frequency of transit and get commuters to their destination more quickly.

Metrolinx has a plan—a world class, award-winning plan. It’s called The Big Move, and it has already been approved not only by Hamilton Council but every municipality in the GTHA.

What are some of The Big Move’s new initiatives that will make your life easier?

Get around your city more efficiently with the new Hamilton King-Main LRT, which will run from McMaster University to Eastgate Square.

You’ll get where you’re going faster with enhancement to electric trains on the Lakeshore Express Rail Service.

You won’t have to worry about missing the train to work if you use the GO Two-Way, All-Day Service. This service will be offered on all GO lines, and in Hamilton will be served by a new Hamilton James North Station. No more running to catch the last scheduled train for Hamilton commuters.
http://www.bigmove.ca/what-were-buil...ton-fact-sheet
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Metrolinx PR:

Join the Big Conversation

Attend a Public Roundtable Meeting Near You

The Big Move is Metrolinx’s plan to rebuild transportation in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area.

It’s all about tackling gridlock and improving transportation access, integration and efficiency. And – whether you drive a car, use public transit, cycle or walk – this plan will change how you get around your community.

The first phase of Big Move projects is well underway and $34 billion of local and regional transit projects are proposed for the next phase of development. There’s a lot on the go and a lot to discuss.

We’re hosting a Big Conversation about our plan to get the region moving. It’s a good opportunity to learn about and discuss current and future transportation projects.

Join us at a Public Roundtable Meeting in your area

• January 15 – Oakville: Halton Regional Headquarters, Bronte Room, 6-8pm
• January 19 – Newmarket: Newmarket Community Centre, Room 1, 1-3pm
• January 22 – Mississauga: Erin Meadows Community Centre, 6-8pm
• January 26 – Georgetown: Gellert Community Centre, Kinsmen Hall, 2-4pm
• January 29 – Ajax: Ajax Community Centre, HMS Room, 6-8pm
• February 2 – Brampton: Flower City Seniors Centre Lawn Bowling Club, 1-3pm
• February 5 – North York: North York Central Library, Auditorium, 6-8pm
• February 7 – Oshawa: Jubilee Pavilion Banquet & Conference Centre, 6-8pm
• February 9 – Toronto: Metro Hall, Room 308, 1-3pm
February 12 – Hamilton: Hamilton Art Gallery, 6-8pm
February 16 – Dundas: Dundas Town Hall, 1-3pm
• February 19 – Richmond Hill: Richmond Hill Centre for Performing Arts, Plaza Suite, 6-8pm

Registration is optional. If you would like to register or you have any questions, call 1-888-480-2546.

All meetings are close to public transit. Parking will also be available.

Each meeting location is accessible. If you require accommodation because of a disability or special need, call 1-888-480-2546.

Meetings will be conducted in English. French language services are available upon request. Meetings will begin promptly – please arrive on time.
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Hamilton's skyline is caricatured on page 5 of Metrolinx's Big Move Conversation Kit.

Also included in this PDF are info panels on various area projects, such as

Dundas Street Bus Rapid Transit: page 36
Hamilton Rapid Transit: page 40
GO Rail Service Expansion: More Two-Way All-Day & Rush Hour Service: page 41
GO Lakeshore Express Rail Service – Phase 1 (Including Electrification): page 42
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I like the pie charts starting on page 17 showing the funding makeup of several large transit systems - the GTA of course comparatively lacking in funding sources.

Also interesting is that London and Paris also rely on mainly fare revenue and yet they have vastly better systems. I suppose population and ridership are the main factors there. And perhaps those cities didn't go through the same disinvestment cycle that Toronto and Hamilton did, so they have always expanded to meet growing ridership needs.

Metrolinx needs to make up for a few decades of lost time and there is no way to do that without increasing subsidies and introducing new revenue tools just like every other major North American city has done. I really hope people can understand the facts here and support this much needed infrastructure.
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Metrolinx transit plan needs a miracle: James
(Toronto Star, Royson James, Feb 5 2013)

Do you believe in miracles?

That’s what it will take — a modern day miracle — for the Toronto region to figure out its transportation future in time for the majority of us to reap significant benefits in our lifetime.

The great transit conversation has begun. But consider the odds.

If city council somehow agrees on a plan, and a new mayor doesn’t try to overturn it, and everyone pushes real hard, and all the funding is there, and the environmental assessments and planning yield the most positive results, and we build out as fast as we can, then our children and grandchildren will step onto the first of the many required trains around 2030.

Now, elect a mayor with a divergent transit plan; or engage a city council intent on moving lines around on a map; or elect a federal government which, like the current one, has no interest in financing urban transit; and elect a provincial government with a mandate not to raise taxes; and countenance mischief-making pundits more concerned about political ideology than commuting solutions and what do we have? A trudging around in the wilderness even as the transit Promised Land beckons on the other side of Jordan.

Anyone who is paying attention knows the region is more likely to go slow and flounder around this issue than forge ahead.

The Spadina subway extension into York Region will open in 2016, we are told. Metro council held votes on it 30 years earlier.

There is a reality that must underpin all discussions around Metrolinx’s $50-billion Big Move transportation plan, which triggered the latest round of public debate. The plan is only 20 per cent funded, so a suite of tools is needed to find the missing dollars, about $40 billion. While we dither, commuting frustration mounts. And, most debilitating, is the realization that the Big Move would still leave a big hole in our region’s transportation needs.

Yes, there appears to be a public opinion shift toward a willingness to consider painful options like road tolls and dedicated transit taxes. There is anticipation, not excitement — more an impatience with being stuck in gridlock, literally and figuratively.

There is also this. The average citizen probably believes he will see tangible benefits — subways running in every neighbourhood, for example — if he agrees to tolls or a 1-per-cent sales tax hike.

When a mayor tells its citizens that they can have subways everywhere — and not pay any tax dollars for them — it’s reasonable for the citizens to believe that a few dollars here and there will deliver transit nirvana.

The truth is, we would need to double the $50-billion plan before the GTA and Hamilton have a transit-building program approaching that of Los Angeles or, wash your mouth out, Madrid.”
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Hamiltonians should expect to pay for LRT: GO president

More than 80 people gather for Metrolinx public consultation
By Samantha Craggs, CBC News
http://www.cbc.ca/hamilton/news/stor...-meetings.html


If Hamilton wants light rail transit (LRT), it should prepare to pay for it through methods such as highway tolls, a gas tax or a vehicle licensing fee.

That was the message delivered at a Metrolinx public forum Tuesday night by Gary McNeil, president of GO Transit.

The Golden Horseshoe plan involves $34 billion in transit improvements, which could amount to $130 billion in economic benefits and 900,000 new jobs over the next 20 years, McNeil said.

But residents have to be willing to pay for it.

“The funding at the provincial level is not there,” McNeil said after his presentation.

“We continue to knock at the federal government for additional money. We continue to knock at the doors of municipalities. But everyone is saying they really can't tap into their traditional methods of raising money. We have to look at other ways.”

Some of those other ways could include a parking toll or fuel tax, or some sort of sales tax such as the one implemented in Los Angeles to pay for transit there, he said.

Full provincial funding unlikely

Hamilton councillors are still hoping the province will agree to fund the project 100 per cent, said Coun. Brian McHattie at Tueday's meeting. But that's unlikely.

“I strongly believe that's not going to be the case. I don't think there's any surprise with that,” he said.

City staff will present an LRT plan at a general issues committee meeting on Feb. 25. That plan will be for an LRT system and other transit improvements across the city, he said.

Tuesday's meeting was one of a dozen Metrolinx is holding in Hamilton and Toronto. The goal is to get residents' input on what sort of system they would like to see, what impact it would have on their everyday lives and — perhaps most importantly — how they would be willing to pay for it.

Dawn McIlmoyle of the Stinson neighbourhood said she's prepared to pay.

“Sign me up for a sales tax, or some tax taken out on public transportation,” she said. “Put a tax on my Presto card. I'll pay it if it means the system will be a little better.”

Saving people time

To be successful, Hamilton's rapid transit has to be faster and easier so more people will use it, McIlmoyle said. With the current system, commuters sit in buses that crawl through downtown traffic congestion.

“You can add buses and that's great, but you're not saving people time,” said McIlmoyle, a New York City native who was a daily user of that city's transit system. “In this day and age, when people are working 50 hours a week just to pay the bills, that half hour spent commuting is a half hour they're not spending with their kids.”

Paul Jakubicek, a Locke Street resident, doesn't take public transit but would still be willing to pay towards improving it. If the transit system were faster and more convenient, “I would try to take it more,” he said.

“I'm willing to pay through a gas tax or something like that,” he said. “I recognize the fact that we need increased funds. I'm really interested to see what people who come out to a meeting like this would be interested in paying.”

Tuesday's meeting was at the Art Gallery of Hamilton. The next meetings are Feb. 16 from 1 to 3 p.m. at Dundas Town Hall and March 7 from 10 a.m. to noon at McMaster Innovation Park.
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Rapid Ready – Expanding Mobility Choices in Hamilton

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With implementation of LRT, an increase between $2.9 million (no increased ridership and 6.5 minute LRT headway) and $3.5 million (assumes an 8% city-wide increase in ridership and a four minute LRT headway) in the transit portion of the City operating budget levy can be expected. There may be a need for some reduction in service frequency to fully utilize the available train capacity. This scenario also assumes the LRT system would be operated by the City of Hamilton and eighteen buses would be removed from service. There is expected to be an additional non-transit City operating budget levy impact in the order of $8.7 million, due to costs such as snow removal, street lighting, parking enforcement and loss of parking revenue.

Construction and infrastructure capital requirements for LRT are estimated at approximately $800 million (2011 dollars). It is believed that construction costs could be reduced by value engineering the B-Line.

In terms of financial benefits to the City, Canadian Urban Institute (CUI) estimates that three times the number of development projects are likely to occur along the corridor within the same timeframe with LRT as compared to without LRT (e.g. 108 projects versus 32). If that were to occur, there would be an associated tax benefit from new development estimated at $22 million. Building permit fees and development charges (existing development exemptions removed) are estimated at $30 million. The assessed value of existing properties along the corridor is expected to increase by $29 million over a fifteen year period; however, this is a benefit to the property owner with no direct financial gain to the City.
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Potential exists for 6,000 construction jobs (provincial), 3,500 of which are expected to be in Hamilton. Potential also exists for 1,000 permanent jobs (provincial) with approximately 300 jobs in Hamilton to deliver regular operations and maintenance. BLine LRT investment may result in an estimated increase of more than $443 million in Ontario’s GDP based on construction related jobs, employment related to the supply of goods and materials and induced benefits related to additional spending power.
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The assessed value of existing properties along the corridor is expected to increase by $29 million over a fifteen year period; however, this is a benefit to the property owner with no direct financial gain to the City.
Aren't property taxes based on assessed property value?
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