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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 3:52 PM
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Maybe not even ex CA board members...
Well that should make for some interesting CA board meetings.
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Well that should make for some interesting CA board meetings.
Stay tuned
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I'm not a fan of the ring road in general, but this is disgusting. An, ugly, massive bowl of gray concrete spaghetti. This might be the most offending piece of public infrastructure I've even seen.


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Even worse than this abomination.

You don’t live near that so mind your own business. Your opinion on the looks of it does not matter.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 5:33 PM
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You don’t live near that so mind your own business. Your opinion on the looks of it does not matter.
This is a discussion forum, so his opinion matters as much as anyone else's. If we all minded our own business, there would be no discussion here.
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This is a discussion forum, so his opinion matters as much as anyone else's. If we all minded our own business, there would be no discussion here.
But bad input breeds bad discussion. Toyboys post was unnecessary and just an other example of trolling.
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Find some other forum to troll at.

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I'm not a fan of the ring road in general, but this is disgusting. An, ugly, massive bowl of gray concrete spaghetti. This might be the most offending piece of public infrastructure I've even seen.


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Even worse than this abomination.

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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 6:59 PM
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Are you guys serious?? I'm allowed my opinion, as a tax payer and as someone living in a democratic society with a democratic internet.
I will tone down my ranting next time, but no amount of calming down will hide the fact that the proposed interchange is a total cluster fuck of ugliness.

As I mentioned before, I'm not a fan of the ring road, but unfortunately it's necessary. A necessary evil more or less.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 7:30 PM
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Are you guys serious?? I'm allowed my opinion, as a tax payer and as someone living in a democratic society with a democratic internet.
I will tone down my ranting next time, but no amount of calming down will hide the fact that the proposed interchange is a total cluster fuck of ugliness.

As I mentioned before, I'm not a fan of the ring road, but unfortunately it's necessary. A necessary evil more or less.
So how would you propose that that ring road/highway 8/Glenmore Trail/Sarcee Trail exchange be built?
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They should make Lakeview residents take the long way around to access all the stores and services this area will provide, just to spite this group lol.

In all honesty though, I think some of her concerns are valid as this will burden 37St quite a bit. Are there planned upgrades to 37St as part of this?
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In all honesty though, I think some of her concerns are valid as this will burden 37St quite a bit. Are there planned upgrades to 37St as part of this?
Will it? The developments in that area will be primarily serviced by 3 high-capacity interchanges that were designed with these developments in mind. 37th street access to the community will probably be used by whoever lives in the new developments, and by Lakeview residents, but I'm not sure I see a genuine burden on the road. While there will be some changes and almost certainly some increase in usage, I feel like the concern is overblown. I could be wrong.

No upgrades to 37th street in Lakeview planned to my knowledge, but having spoken with the City in the past, they are always willing to look at how things change and see if there are improvements that are required once access is up and running (traffic calming?)
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Are you kidding?
Nope.
I love it (just a difference of opinion from yours).
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Will it? The developments in that area will be primarily serviced by 3 high-capacity interchanges that were designed with these developments in mind. 37th street access to the community will probably be used by whoever lives in the new developments, and by Lakeview residents, but I'm not sure I see a genuine burden on the road. While there will be some changes and almost certainly some increase in usage, I feel like the concern is overblown. I could be wrong.

No upgrades to 37th street in Lakeview planned to my knowledge, but having spoken with the City in the past, they are always willing to look at how things change and see if there are improvements that are required once access is up and running (traffic calming?)
Sorry, I haven't read the previous pages (and don't really have time to right now) so maybe I'm missing something. Is access to the area in question solely off 37th as the concerned party suggests? if so, even with interchanges designed to handle the volume, 37st is still just a 2 lane road with houses on the east side, so it seems to me that it will very likely become clogged with traffic.
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Sorry, I haven't read the previous pages (and don't really have time to right now) so maybe I'm missing something. Is access to the area in question solely off 37th as the concerned party suggests? if so, even with interchanges designed to handle the volume, 37st is still just a 2 lane road with houses on the east side, so it seems to me that it will very likely become clogged with traffic.
Access to the development area is primarily off of 3 interchanges: at Westhills Way/Glenmore, at Tsuut'ina Trail/Tsuut'ina Parkway, and at Tsuut'ina Parkway/37th Street/Glenmore.

If you were to access the developments at Tsuutina Parkway/37th Street/Glenmore, then you wouldn't even go into Lakeview at all. Access to Lakeview is then a left-turn into the community on a 2-lane road.

There are a further three smaller 2-lane roads off of 37th street SW that are shown to be connecting into the developments from Lakeview; the level of the usage of these minor roads is debatable.
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Access to the development area is primarily off of 3 interchanges: at Westhills Way/Glenmore, at Tsuut'ina Trail/Tsuut'ina Parkway, and at Tsuut'ina Parkway/37th Street/Glenmore.

If you were to access the developments at Tsuutina Parkway/37th Street/Glenmore, then you wouldn't even go into Lakeview at all.
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There are a further four smaller 2-lane roads off of 37th street SW that are shown to be connecting into the developments from Lakeview; the level of the usage of these minor roads is debatable.
These will be where people go if the others are bottlenecked. At the very least a traffic impact assessment should be done to see what impact there will be. If the studies show the effect will be negligible, then that should be enough the shut up the concerned parties (or ignore them if they get like the assclowns in Ready to Engage lol).
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 9:12 PM
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At the very least a traffic impact assessment should be done to see what impact there will be.
Totally agree. Everyone needs to understand the impacts, if any, and then assess any measures that could be implemented if there are any outstanding concerns.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2018, 9:24 PM
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These will be where people go if the others are bottlenecked. At the very least a traffic impact assessment should be done to see what impact there will be. If the studies show the effect will be negligible, then that should be enough the shut up the concerned parties (or ignore them if they get like the assclowns in Ready to Engage lol).
They would have done all that a long time ago. This is all from Alberta Transportation's website for Schedule 18 (aka the plans for the road): http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/6001.htm

Road lanes for 37th south of Glenmore:


It's basically 3 lanes in each direction to access the development from Glenmore. Seems reasonable. Lakeview residents won't have traffic randomly spilling onto their community roads.

Here's everything you could possibly want to know about how they analysed the traffic patterns: http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...ule18-AppJ.pdf
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Are you guys serious?? I'm allowed my opinion, as a tax payer and as someone living in a democratic society with a democratic internet.
I will tone down my ranting next time, but no amount of calming down will hide the fact that the proposed interchange is a total cluster fuck of ugliness.

As I mentioned before, I'm not a fan of the ring road, but unfortunately it's necessary. A necessary evil more or less.
It's interesting that you posted a picture of a concrete jungle and used that as an example of how bad this could be. Why would you do that? If you've seen the big interchanges done for prior Alberta ring road projects, you'd know that the bridges are kept as short as possible, and there's very few bridges that overlap each other.

That picture you posted is a 4-level stack. The ring road design has one short 3-level stack. It's not going be as visually intrusive as the example picture you posted by far. The vertical nature of stack interchanges has a much bigger effect on nearby properties than the amount of lanes does. Essentially, it seems like you're opposed to this design because from overhead view you think it's worse than the concrete jungle you posted as a reference point. I have to disagree completely with you on that subject.
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Yeah the interchange in question will look absolutely nothing like the one in that picture, and have a ramp height of maybe half of what you see there since changes have been made to that design to minimize bridge lengths. Far more care is taken for aesthetics here, and the end result will be something closer to Henday NE and Yellowhead which is increasingly being regarded as one of the most aesthetic 3 level complexes in North America given its constraints.
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I bet that Lakeview residents were fuming this morning when the accident at Crow/Glen required some drivers to enter Lakeview and turn around!
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Anthony Henday Drive at Yellowhead Trail by Acey, on Flickr

Glenmore/TTN will incorporate several of these elements. Compare it to the jungle above.
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