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Old Posted Dec 27, 2006, 11:09 AM
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It is still very much alive. It was just recently refurbished.
Such a beautiful building. I was wondering the same thing as muppet..(I hope that it still there!!!) .I guess this one still standing proud and refurbished makes up for the loss of the beautiful Pabst building.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2006, 4:13 PM
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This is the correct population for US cities in 1930.


| | | | Density
| | | Land | (average
| | | area | popula-
| | | (sq. | tion per
Rank | Place 1/ |Population| miles) |sq. mile)
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1 New York city, NY *...... 6,930,446 299.0 23,179
2 Chicago city, IL......... 3,376,438 201.9 16,723
3 Philadelphia city, PA.... 1,950,961 128.0 15,242
4 Detroit city, MI......... 1,568,662 137.9 11,375
5 Los Angeles city, CA..... 1,238,048 440.3 2,812
6 Cleveland city, OH....... 900,429 70.8 12,718
7 St. Louis city, MO....... 821,960 61.0 13,475
8 Baltimore city, MD....... 804,874 78.7 10,227
9 Boston city, MA.......... 781,188 43.9 17,795
10 Pittsburgh city, PA...... 669,817 51.3 13,057

11 San Francisco city, CA... 634,394 42.0 15,105
12 Milwaukee city, WI....... 578,249 41.1 14,069
13 Buffalo city, NY......... 573,076 38.9 14,732
14 Washington city, DC...... 486,869 62.0 7,853
15 Minneapolis city, MN..... 464,356 55.4 8,382
16 New Orleans city, LA..... 458,762 196.0 2,341
17 Cincinnati city, OH...... 451,160 71.4 6,319
18 Newark city, NJ.......... 442,337 23.6 18,743
19 Kansas City city, MO..... 399,746 58.6 6,822
20 Seattle city, WA......... 365,583 68.5 5,337
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I believe my hometown was still a village at that time
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Buffalo waterfront 1936

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Old Posted Feb 26, 2007, 4:53 AM
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Bump.

I cannot believe the beauty of old Milwaukee. What the hell happened to Milwaukee?

What the hell happened to America?
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2007, 8:58 PM
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What the hell happened to America?
The Automobile!

Before you heap all the blame on Detroit, remember that people from New York to Los Angeles bought these machines of their own free will even though mass transit was available at the time in most cities (even Detroit).
Besides, as Detroit lived by the car it has (almost) died by the car. Starting around the 1950s about 50% of the population and 67% of the tax base left Detroit for the suburbs.

Here are a few more shots of Detroit before the destruction of so many of the buildings for parking lots.

The old Russell House hotel:

(note the horses - soon to be replaced by the car)

Campus Martius area on Nov. 11, 1918:

(note the streetcars that were later made "obsolete" by the car)

Fort Street railroad station (rendered "obsolete" by the car):

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Old Posted Feb 26, 2007, 9:23 PM
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I wish cities would have held on to their railcars.
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The Automobile!

Before you heap all the blame on Detroit, remember that people from New York to Los Angeles bought these machines of their own free will even though mass transit was available at the time in most cities (even Detroit).
Besides, as Detroit lived by the car it has (almost) died by the car. Starting around the 1950s about 50% of the population and 67% of the tax base left Detroit for the suburbs.
I'd actually blame the Great Depression and World War II, moreso than the automobile.
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Milwaukee looked positively amazing back then...how much of what we see in those pictures still exists today? (forgive my ignorance)
Very very little, lamentably. What wasn't lost to fire was demolished for parking/freeways or new highrise construction. Virtually all of the residential areas in my posts are now considered 'downtown' and far larger in scale today.

However, outside of the core the city is astonishingly well preserved, save perhaps the Gold Coast. But a lot of what's preseved isn't exactly lost, per say, as much as it's simply changed. For example take a look at this lakefront photo.



Sometime later tons of dirt led to acres of infill East of the train tracks into the lake. Later still the tracks were removed in anticipation of a Lakefront freeway project that never took off (the remnants of which became Lincoln Memorial Drive). The area to the right of this photo, then lake, is where the current War Memorial and Art Museum/Calatrava stand.

Ironically enough the area in the photo where the ravine and bridge stand is now a parking garage with parked rooftop.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2007, 11:22 PM
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I'd actually blame the Great Depression and World War II, moreso than the automobile.
I can't speak for all cities in the USA but the Depression more or less put Detroit in stasis from 1930 until 1940. By preventing new development, it actually somewhat preserved the old urban density. WWII, while putting an end to civilian automobile production for the duration, actually provided more jobs in Detroit factories building war material. Photos of Detroit's downtown from 1930 to 1950 look about the same in terms of buildings and streets. Starting in the 1950s a lot of old buildings were torn down to make way for modern buildings, freeways, parking lots, the civic center and Cobo hall, etc.

The Depression and WWII, temporarily put the brakes on the inevitable sprawl which the automobile made possible.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2007, 1:04 AM
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More milwaukee

Here's some more photos I found, these are more around the 20's-50's.





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Old Posted Feb 27, 2007, 1:35 AM
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Damn I miss the streetcars. I also miss the original facade on that building at the NE corner of Water and Wisconsin.
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milwaukee actually has a remarkably intact, or at least seemingly healthy downtown for a large midwestern city, in my opinion.
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Old Posted Feb 27, 2007, 1:47 AM
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Assuming you don't leave Wisconsin Avenue, there is only one parking lot or garage from the Lakefront to the Western edge of downtown and there are plans to build on that right now. On Michigan Street, however, it seems every building on the North is a garage and ever space to the South is surface lots. I made a map of parking and vacant space downtown in Milwaukee, I'll have to dig it up...

Found it:
Recent Buildings/Under Construction
Proposed Buildings
Parking Garages
Buildings Above Parking Garages
Surface Parking
Park East Land
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Victoria, represent:







and 1862:


Credit goes to the crew at Vibrant Victoria... where I stole all these images
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I can't wait to see Phoenix and Windsor next!!!
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Oh, and this is East St Louis. I think this was during the riot, which is why people are looking toward one direction. East St. Louis use to be a pretty happening place, until capitalism (greed, racism, and all of that stuff that comes with it... like denial) killed it.

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Very Cool thread
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we need to dig up some more old shots
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we've lost something huge in our "progress" -- we've lost the satisfaction that comes from being a thread in the fabric of humanity
very well said!

and as a professional urban planner I can tell you without an ounce of doubt that it was the automobile that has ruined the intirict fabric of cities.. and the face to face interaction that created community... you don't have to look any further than europe for proof!
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