PARIS | Full Summary of Projects

[flight_from_kamakura]

i wonder how much booze this guy had to feed sarkozy for him to be allowed to build his museum in the bois de boulogne, but what a beautiful structure.

you know, sometimes all it takes is a little browsing through the various french and german fora (and sometimes spanish) to really remember what beautiful structures human beings can develop. sf is a dump full of bumbling phillistines, by contrast with what you folks have over there. not sure if it makes me despair at our lot over here, or utterly inspired by the fact that, at least somewhere, humans enjoy the radiance of the fruits of their most beautiful labors.

[Lear]

I guess this is the right thread to post Paris projects

Maybe a moderator or admin could move the thread here into the main thread.

[mousquet]

^ There are 2 threads for Paris's general developments. This in the Europe section and another in the City Compilations that has a link to it in Europe/Paris P&C.
I'll use the other one next time.

[mousquet]

Icade promoting their renovation of Eqho (formerly Descartes) in la Défense.

• Video Link





Glass canopy, that's the ceiling of the lobby I guess.

All pictures, (c) Javier Urquijo, Icade's flickr.

Tour Eqho, Paris/Courbevoie - district of la Défense:

• 80,000 m² (860,000 sq ft) of office space - 5,000 employees
• 40 stories - 140-metre (459 ft) tall
• 1,090 parking spaces

www.icade-eqho.com

[mousquet]

Estimated averages of residential real estate in Paris proper, March 2012.
Today, €1 = US$1.32

Overall average: €8,370/m² ($1,027/sq ft)

Arrondissement              € / m²        US$ / sq ft

1st                         10,379        1,273
2nd                         9,147         1,122
3rd                         9,645         1,183
4th                         10,811        1,326
5th                         10,877        1,334
6th                         12,904        1,583
7th                         12,658        1,553
8th                         10,164        1,247
9th                         8,542         1,048
10th                        7,264         891
11th                        7,993         981
12th                        7,899         969
13th                        7,882         967
14th                        8,514         1,044
15th                        8,888         1,090
16th                        10,028        1,230
17th                        8,573         1,052
18th                        7,200         883
19th                        6,502         798
20th                        6,760         829

Source: meilleursagents.com

Again, there they're not talking about the upscale/luxury housing market, these are the average prices of regular things. That means you may have to pay that kind of prices even for a shithole full of cockroaches. But if you can afford it, then you should be able to fix it decently.

[Minato Ku]

And it is the price for old building.
A new building cost much more.
Easily over €10,000/m² in the edge 13th arrondissement.
Price over 8,000/m² in the edge of the 18th/19th arrondissement between a busy highway and train tracks, in the cheapest area of inner Paris.

To live in inner Paris, you need to be rich or single/in couple without kids (living in a tiny apartment) or very lucky (social housing).

[Minato Ku]

Duo, 175m and 115m high-rises in the 13th arrondissement.
Architect: Jean Nouvel
2018
Offices and hotel






http://www.lemoniteur.fr/155-projets...gauche-en-2018

[Minato Ku]

SoOuest mall in Levallois (western inner suburb)
53,000m²
Opening in late 2012

[flight_from_kamakura]

the nouvel one has a rock solid team behind it - quebec pension giant ivanhoe cambridge and texas super-builder hines, doesn't get more secure than that. they've also got a sizable portion leased already.

[Minato Ku]

Beaugrenelle mall, 15th arrondissement
45,000m²

[colemonkee]

Wow, Duo looks amazing! What's the feasibility of that actually being built?

[easy as pie]

wow, i can't believe the prices in paris there, back when i was in the market in 2003, apartments in the 18th around métro jules joffrin were going for under €4000/m² (sometimes much lower) in quality old buildings. and even then, people were raving about how expensive it had become. actually sort of depressing - i blame the foreigners!

[Minato Ku]

While foreign buyers drive the price up in some price location like Saint-Germains des Pres, le Marais and etc...
They have almost no responsability about the price in the 15th arrondissement and most parts of the city.
The main culprit is the lack of residential buildings under in construction.

Today to have prices under €4,000/m² in a quite centraly area (metro) you need to go in northeastern inner suburbs.

[mousquet]

Originally Posted by colemonkee

Wow, Duo looks amazing! What's the feasibility of that actually being built?

Guess no one here can answer at this early point...

I think I read somewhere that the investors want to make sure that at least 50% of the office surface area is leased before starting anything.

Also, any location outside la Défense is obviously unusual to build some tall things, thus a little riskier I guess, although the current mayor is in favor of highrises at the edges of the city proper.

There is yet a cluster of residential towers of the early 70s in the 13th arrondissement. You must get almost the entire fugly thing on that tiny picture.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A larger definition is needed to admire their designs. This district is widely responsible for the hatred that Parisians devote to towers. Once in an article, I saw it called a scar on the city.

And there is the national library built in the mid-90s, still in that same arrondissement.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

It's far from seen as a urban planning success, but at least its contemporary facades are much easier than the sorry 60s-70s above.

So since there are already some rather tall things in the arrondissement and there is absolutely nothing yet on the site proper, nor anything exciting around it, people may end up approving it like an improvement somehow.

[stormkingfan]

Originally Posted by Minato Ku

Duo, 175m and 115m high-rises in the 13th arrondissement.
Architect: Jean Nouvel
2018
Offices and hotel

This looks like crap. Don't know what this is supposed to be. I think Paris' image would be better off without them.

In fact, a taller version of these bldgs would fit in Dubai! Sure! We know how hot it is down there, and, why not? These bldgs look like they've been in the sun too long.

[mousquet]

Mah! bon, you're actually not the only one to have that kind of feelings at those renderings. I'm seeing a comment in French saying it looks like a windstorm has unstuck and crumpled the cladding, except that Dubai never came to the guy's mind...

I remember reading that renderings of Jean Nouvel's firm are usually accurate, so if that thing is ever built... well, that should pretty much be it.
As a starchitect, Nouvel is likely of guys who like trying hard to be outstanding somehow, but it's not necessarily wrong, is it?

Here's the best alternate design for the same project, but this is a loser of Christian de Portzamparc.

Originally Posted by lemoniteur.fr

lemoniteur.fr

Heck, I should finally take a closer look at Dubai. Is it so bad like exclusively made of crap? nah, it must rather feel factitious cause it's all too recent. I swear I don't even care about it, focusing on my good old Paris and the West.

[mousquet]

Wondering if this in Issy-les-Moulineaux, a suburb neighboring central Paris, has been mentioned anywhere.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

One of the most densely populated municipalities in Europe, Issy-les-Moulineaux has successfully moved its economy from an old manufacturing base to high value-added service sectors and is now located at the heart of the Val de Seine business district, the largest cluster of telecommunication and media businesses in France hosting the headquarters of most major French TV networks.

Since 2005, they've been planning to redevelop 2 large lots along the Seine river, on either side of pont d'Issy, a bridge that connects Issy-les-Moulineaux to Boulogne-Billancourt. They want to demolish all the 80's abandonned low-rise offices on those lots poorly connected to their surroundings because of roads and railways, then completely redevelop them.

In all, the project would include:

• 230,000 m² (2 million sq ft) of offices at most.
• 13,500 m² (120,000 sq ft) of housing at least, too few given the needs of the metro area, especially of that part of the inner suburbs.
• 3,500 m² (31,500 sq ft) of retail at least.
• 1,200 m² (10,800 sq ft) of public facilities.

These are the office towers to sit on the site in a dense cluster fashion.


imageshack.us

Each is roughly 600 ft tall, 180 m. They'll be surrounded by the residential and retail facilities. The project creates the needed pedestrian areas and connections to seriously improve the site, including along the local quay of the Seine river.

Better description in French and more renderings: http://www.issy.com/UserFiles/ILM_pa...2011_light.pdf

The work is planned to begin next year but delays are likely because of opponents.
We'll append a thread for it when it's under construction.

[mousquet]

Athéna's getting renovated in la Défense...

http://tourathena.fr/index_uk.html

The original glass curtain is not even really old yet (1984) and looks okay:


pss-archi.eu

Work on it is beginning right now.

There's a war on energy consumption in la Défense, the local market is getting harsh in that respect. Hope they don't change what's getting a little old but still looks really good. That'd be nuts!

[mousquet]

Meliá hotel U/C in la Défense.




La Défense Seine Arche


Could be nice...
They've been working on the foundation for a while.
Today by Milo on pss-archi.eu:

[Chicago Shawn]

Originally Posted by mousquet

Estimated averages of residential real estate in Paris proper, March 2012.
Today, €1 = US$1.32

Overall average: €8,370/m² ($1,027/sq ft)

Arrondissement              € / m²        US$ / sq ft

1st                         10,379        1,273
2nd                         9,147         1,122
3rd                         9,645         1,183
4th                         10,811        1,326
5th                         10,877        1,334
6th                         12,904        1,583
7th                         12,658        1,553
8th                         10,164        1,247
9th                         8,542         1,048
10th                        7,264         891
11th                        7,993         981
12th                        7,899         969
13th                        7,882         967
14th                        8,514         1,044
15th                        8,888         1,090
16th                        10,028        1,230
17th                        8,573         1,052
18th                        7,200         883
19th                        6,502         798
20th                        6,760         829

Source: meilleursagents.com

Again, there they're not talking about the upscale/luxury housing market, these are the average prices of regular things. That means you may have to pay that kind of prices even for a shithole full of cockroaches. But if you can afford it, then you should be able to fix it decently.

These are averages? That is insane. For $800 per square foot you can live in any of the highest end buildings in the center of Chicago, which is very cheap compared any other global city.

If anyone needs more proof Paris is in need of more housing on the market, these price points should do it. Granted, Paris is a special place that commands a high demand for good reasons, but that's where the developers need to be able to step in and fulfill the demand. No metropolitan area can continue to thrive if a large portion of it's center is only accessible to the wealthy or the very poor who have access to social housing.

How far out does one have to travel to rent a 90 sq meter apartment for say 1000 euros per month?