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Old Posted Jul 16, 2018, 4:54 PM
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Facts behind the south Phoenix light-rail rhetoric

Great article up on AZ Central. And I really despise Michael Nowakowski...

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...sit/723115002/
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2018, 6:55 PM
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Great article up on AZ Central. And I really despise Michael Nowakowski...

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...sit/723115002/
I was reading that this morning. Very good article that clears up a lot of the confusion and what not. Also, the first article I have actually seen that addresses the fact that most of the LTR has required lane decreases...and mentions Mesa and it's 2 lanes of roadway.

Hopefully they get the 4 Lane or No Train movement to think about this a little bit differently and start getting a little more support.

Edit: Yea, Nowakowski. Trying his hand at the "I didn't say it or know about it", but yet he is on video when they brought up the project being 2 lanes and he still voted on it. Jerk. SMH
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2018, 9:43 PM
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And I really despise Michael Nowakowski...
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Edit: Yea, Nowakowski. Trying his hand at "I didn't say it or no about it", but yet he is on video when they brought up the project being 2 lanes and he still voted on it. Jerk. SMH
He's trying to convey two messages to two different audiences, just like he did with gay / transgender anti-discrimination issues. Getting caught doing this on the latter issue ruled out any possibility he'll ever become mayor. Now, he's term-limited as a city councilman, so he could just do the right thing and press ahead with the current design. Instead, he's still trying to please everyone and pleasing no one in the process.

Boehm's article was quite good, although I do wish she had added some detail on the role played by Sal DiCiccio and his chief of staff Sam Stone. They've also been involved in some of the 4-lanes-or-no-train-but-really-no-train-at-all activism.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2018, 11:58 AM
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He's trying to convey two messages to two different audiences, just like he did with gay / transgender anti-discrimination issues. Getting caught doing this on the latter issue ruled out any possibility he'll ever become mayor. Now, he's term-limited as a city councilman, so he could just do the right thing and press ahead with the current design. Instead, he's still trying to please everyone and pleasing no one in the process.
Yup. He's been busted. This is a great article, and shows how meticulous the city has been. Just build it, and keep talking to the community. It's neither the doom machine, nor the cure-all for the city. It's progress, and it's not a very good political football. Build it and pick some other nit to pick.
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Yup. He's been busted.
BOOM

FWIW, Angie has a (better than average) piece that's a bit discouraging with respect to potential funding.
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Old Posted Jul 18, 2018, 9:54 PM
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 2:39 AM
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BOOM

FWIW, Angie has a (better than average) piece that's a bit discouraging with respect to potential funding.
Yes, and I wonder if that's part of the strategy for the 4-lanes-or-no-train-but-really-no-train-at-all crew. Create enough uncertainty about local support to give the FTA an excuse to slow down the funding process, and maybe the project never gets built.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 3:05 AM
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Yes, and I wonder if that's part of the strategy for the 4-lanes-or-no-train-but-really-no-train-at-all crew. Create enough uncertainty about local support to give the FTA an excuse to slow down the funding process, and maybe the project never gets built.
Not sure about any 'collusion' efforts with FTA and as muertecaza has pointed out this line is not highly rated, so there's that too.

Congress actually appropriated more funding not less but it also feels like they're still working with the overhang left by Obama.

Speaking of everybody's favorite collusion I'm beginning to wonder if Trump can hold his popularity for two more years. The dedicated core are still mesmerized but it's the moderates, women and independents where I think he'll be in trouble. Maybe it will just be a matter of needing extended patience??
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 3:15 AM
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Not sure about any 'collusion' efforts with FTA and as muertecaza has pointed out this line is not highly rated, so there's that too.

Congress actually appropriated more funding not less but it also feels like they're still working with the overhang left by Obama.

Speaking of everybody's favorite collusion I'm beginning to wonder if Trump can hold his popularity for two more years. The dedicated core are still mesmerized but it's the moderates, women and independents where I think he'll be in trouble. Maybe it will just be a matter of needing extended patience??
I don't think there's actual collusion, but I do think there's a convergence of interests between local transit opponents and the Trump administration. The former may be playing to an anticipated reaction from the latter. And, to be clear, by "FTA" I mean politically appointed leadership and not career civil servants, most of whom would not work at the FTA if they didn't believe in its mission.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 7:33 PM
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A little off mainstreet, but...

Anyone familiar with this heart-warming story?

Birmingham college student walked 20 miles to 1st day of work so his boss gave him his car

How 'bout taking that story, turning it on its head, into a transit-agenda piece written by a true SJW (Social Justice Warrior)?

Stories About Marathon Walking Commuters Receiving Benevolent Donations of Cars Are Actually Terrible
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 7:46 PM
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[QUOTE=TakeFive;8255912]A little off mainstreet, but...

Anyone familiar with this heart-warming story?

Birmingham college student walked 20 miles to 1st day of work so his boss gave him his car

Like I said on Twitter when I first saw this story, lazy millenials!
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 8:53 PM
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Like I said on Twitter when I first saw this story, lazy millenials!
Sounds appropriate but I'm unsure of your context/meaning?


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6 BIKE LANE PROJECTS COMING TO A DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU
JULY 28, 2017 BY FARA ILLICH/DTPHX
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Right now, Phoenix lacks a comprehensive bicycle network connecting the downtown business district with surrounding neighborhoods.

But a number of improvement projects aim to change that. From road “diets” to restriping, the City of Phoenix is not only focusing on making downtown more bikeable, but more walkable and livable too.
While many of these projects are still in design/review, I see where First Street Pedestrian Improvement Project has been completed?
Any positive feedback?

This captures the right spirit of things:
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But according to Dan Klocke, executive director of the Downtown Phoenix Partnership, it’s time to rethink that mentality.

“Cities originally widened roads so people could get to their far-flung neighborhoods faster,” he said. “It’s time to recapture some of the quality of life for those neighborhoods by reducing the impact of wide roads, and offering transportation solutions for local residents and employees.”
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 9:52 PM
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The Roosevelt/Willo discussion is a little bit off. There are solid plans for 3rd and 5th Avenues between Washington and McDowell. The car part of the story is that south of Roosevelt they will become two way, and between Roosevelt and McDowell they will be one way one lane with protected bike lanes throughout. North of McDowell things are 2-3 years behind. The Willo neighborhood wants a continuation of the one way one lane and bike paths. We also want sidewalks between Encanto and Thomas on Fifth Ave where they currently don't exist. The City doesn't seem to be listening and continues to show us proposals with two traffic lanes. We have Councilwoman Pastor on board and I suspect we will eventually get the desired continuation of the Roosevelt changes but it is going to be a long time before it happens and in the interim the lack of integration is going to cause a mess.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2018, 10:23 PM
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[QUOTE=TakeFive;8256041]Sounds appropriate but I'm unsure of your context/meaning?

It was sarcasm, I think Millenials are just fine. I'm GenX and boomers always called us lazy. Every generation deals with their own issues and turn out fine.
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