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Old Posted Jul 20, 2018, 5:59 PM
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If the streetcar line ran up side streets following the North Branch, it seems like you could install diverters at major intersections to make the street useless for cut-through traffic (you wouldn’t be able to travel more than a block or two before a forced left/right turn). Right now many of these streets are sleepy but a full build out of Lincoln Yards would spill gridlock onto many side streets, so it’s important to preserve the transit advantage.

So, yeah, basically what they did for King St in Toronto. Except it should (hopefully) be less controversial, since the streets up the North Branch are not currently main thoroughfares.

I would like to see it connect to Fullerton on the north end... that way it can serve Brown, Red and Purple Lines with one stop instead of having to awkwardly serve both North/Clybourn and Armitage. Basically one branch going to Fullerton and another going west down Armitage to the Western Blue Line.
My first inclination would probably be to replace the North Ave bus with street cars and divert traffic much as outlined above for a substantial portion of the route. Would be a major benefit to existing residents as well as new developments. Still hits CTA heavy rail at Damen, Clybourn, and Sedgwick.
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Unfortunately, North Ave appears to be a state highway. IDOT is unlikely to be on board with that suggestion.
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Unfortunately, North Ave appears to be a state highway. IDOT is unlikely to be on board with that suggestion.
It is however we're probably getting us a new governor soon...
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It is however we're probably getting us a new governor soon...
True, one who lives a stone's throw from North Ave.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2018, 12:03 AM
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You never drive those bridges do you.
Yeah...this vision won't become reality if people think we can rely on a bus to get people to and fro. The North Ave bridge even after reconstruction sucks.
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2018, 1:41 PM
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Elston - kingsbury lightrail loop is the way to go. To cortland on the north and Chicago ave to the south. That gets you connected to the metra, blue line, and red line. No north ave nonsense...
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Old Posted Jul 21, 2018, 2:19 PM
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Why light rail instead of a busway? And what route could avoid the Cortland bridge?
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How exspensive would a blue line to red line connector tunnel be, say north and clybourn to the yards to the blue line subway? It could allow some cool new route configurations and it's a short distance
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How exspensive would a blue line to red line connector tunnel be, say north and clybourn to the yards to the blue line subway? It could allow some cool new route configurations and it's a short distance
I’ve heard/read that new subway lines cost about $1 Billion per mile all in.... no idea if that’s true or if it applies to this situation.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 3:48 PM
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I’ve heard/read that new subway lines cost about $1 Billion per mile all in.... no idea if that’s true or if it applies to this situation.
Something like a North Ave Subway would be perfect to provide the heavy rail they need to do this. Just think if they could open the connection at B37 and simply alternate Red and Blue trains down each other's subway at North and switch them back at B37. It would open up all sorts of new routes for commuters.
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I’ve heard/read that new subway lines cost about $1 Billion per mile all in.... no idea if that’s true or if it applies to this situation.

As little as $500M per mile to as much as $2 Billion per mile. Depends on how complicated the project is, what you're trying to tunnel through, and how deep the tunnel is. Shouldn't be as costly as tunneling in New York City since you're not tunneling through solid rock. The rock under Manhattan is particularly difficult (schist with some spots sporting other metamorphic rock that's three or four times harder than concrete) to tunnel through.
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^Uh, not really. Can't tell if you're being sincere or not

Also, fuck Ben Joravsky, the festering boil of Chicago journalism. Mike Royko he ain't.
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I'd bet on the side of him being sarcastic there. I highly doubt anyone here is a fan of Ben Joravsky's garbage. That article doesn't exist in the real world.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2018, 8:55 PM
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As little as $500M per mile to as much as $2 Billion per mile. Depends on how complicated the project is, what you're trying to tunnel through, and how deep the tunnel is. Shouldn't be as costly as tunneling in New York City since you're not tunneling through solid rock. The rock under Manhattan is particularly difficult (schist with some spots sporting other metamorphic rock that's three or four times harder than concrete) to tunnel through.
Thats not right. Underground could be as little as $200 million a mile if you include reasonable non-US examples. Above ground could be as low as $50-80 million a mile. Thats all excluding right of ways.

One point to note is that the fee structure for the North Branch Corridor Fund (to pay for zoning change / density boost) is more localized than the NOF. Its something like 40% towards local infrastructure. So if Sterling is paying something like $100-$150 million, $60 million could be going straight back to a transit system.

Now the trick is the city shouldnt let them claim that as "their contribution;" thats their fee to the city and therefore the city's contribution. Their contribution, since the primary beneficiary is them, should be in addition.
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Thats not right. Underground could be as little as $200 million a mile if you include reasonable non-US examples.
but this is the US
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Thats not right. Underground could be as little as $200 million a mile if you include reasonable non-US examples. Above ground could be as low as $50-80 million a mile. Thats all excluding right of ways.
it could cost as little as one bitcoin per mile....
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In current goings on Sterling Bay filed their PD applications with the city yesterday. Which seems out of order if the Alderman isn't officially on board yet. Though given the size of this I assume the mayor is actually behind the wheel foot poised over the gas pedal willing to run over aldermanic prerogative and provide cover.

Also the Stanley's market site is now for sale. Potential LY neighbors already looking to cash in.

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In current goings on Sterling Bay filed their PD applications with the city yesterday. Which seems out of order if the Alderman isn't officially on board yet. Though given the size of this I assume the mayor is actually behind the wheel foot poised over the gas pedal willing to run over aldermanic prerogative and provide cover.

Also the Stanley's market site is now for sale. Potential LY neighbors already looking to cash in.
Yeah, Hopkins ego is clearly taking a hit for this as Sterling Bay is just going over his head right now, but if SB is serious about the project and the Mayor believes in them, then Hopkins will have to accept the fact that he's a pawn that needs to play along. I doubt he wants to get dropped over petty squabbles. Still far from a fan of the project, and I'm definitely on board with some of Hopkins' ideas for improving the site, but we'll see if SB listens at all
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