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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 7:20 PM
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Ah yes, the freedom afforded to post inflammatory racist garbage such as this:
https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sho...54#post8689454

If there was any indication that the purpose of this thread has been co-opted by whatnext into a let's bitch about the Chinese thread is based on racial animosity then look no further than the above. Also, see the ratio of his posts on this thread to responses and you'll see it's just best to leave him be in this echo chamber he's made for himself.

And cue the obligatory response for him accusing me being a Spy/wumao/sellout for pointing out the obvious.
There is no such thing as racism against the Chinese because Chinese is not a race.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 7:31 PM
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Whoa, record screeches to a halt..."blowing things out of proportion"? Crikey, did you just defend the fascist-Orwellian dictatorship that is China?

That foreigners are currently able to live expat lives of relative ease in China is irrelevant to the surreal and intrusive authoritarian nature of the government there, to how utterly corrupt it is at every level, from the local to the national.

The accusation that you're choosing cash over freedom is harsh, judgmental and dogmatic, and yet...it's not wrong.
Hey give the guy a break, he's just trying to make sure his Social Credit score doesn't slip too low.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 7:57 PM
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Whoa, record screeches to a halt..."blowing things out of proportion"? Crikey, did you just defend the fascist-Orwellian dictatorship that is China?

That foreigners are currently able to live expat lives of relative ease in China is irrelevant to the surreal and intrusive authoritarian nature of the government there, to how utterly corrupt it is at every level, from the local to the national.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4ryYokLzU
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 8:16 PM
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There is no such thing as racism against the Chinese because Chinese is not a race.
Of course, how could I forget you ssiguy? The only person on here that shares whatnext's convictions only in a less refined manner speckled with 1950s-style bigotry.

Ah, Yes the old bigot's adage that I can't be racist if I only target a particular ethno-national group. It doesn't work when the vast majority of one race is from one ethnicity in the locale you reside in. Oh if only Goebbels had you on his team.

Remember that the next time you're cursing under your breath at all the yellow faces you see on the streets of Vancouver. You're somehow an expert on telling us all apart right with this little gem of an observation

Who are you trying to kid? We're all just fu*#*@ Ch**ks to you.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 8:46 PM
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If there was any indication that the purpose of this thread has been co-opted by whatnext into a let's bitch about the Chinese thread is based on racial animosity then look no further than the above. Also, see the ratio of his posts on this thread to responses and you'll see it's just best to leave him be in this echo chamber he's made for himself.
Whatnext is highly supportive of China. He's pushing for all the people taking money out of China to go back which is exactly what the Chinese government wants. He also wants us to give reduce the ability for democratically inclined Chinese to flee here. He's also pushing to increase unaffordability in Canada while striving to kill our economy and investments. He's also pushing for us to go far left closer to communism and socialism.
If I didn't know better I'd say he's a Chinese bot.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 10:33 PM
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Of course, how could I forget you ssiguy? The only person on here that shares whatnext's convictions only in a less refined manner speckled with 1950s-style bigotry.

Ah, Yes the old bigot's adage that I can't be racist if I only target a particular ethno-national group. It doesn't work when the vast majority of one race is from one ethnicity in the locale you reside in. Oh if only Goebbels had you on his team.

Remember that the next time you're cursing under your breath at all the yellow faces you see on the streets of Vancouver. You're somehow an expert on telling us all apart right with this little gem of an observation

Who are you trying to kid? We're all just fu*#*@ Ch**ks to you.
Oh dear, reduced to defending the Party Line on Huawei now? Tsk-tsk.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2019, 10:49 PM
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Oh dear, reduced to defending the Party Line on Huawei now? Tsk-tsk.
Try again. Nothing to do with Huawei. Everything to do with his absurd assertion that there's some sort of civil war going on in Canada between regular people originally from China and regular people originally from Hong Kong.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2019, 12:27 AM
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Whoa, record screeches to a halt..."blowing things out of proportion"? Crikey, did you just defend the fascist-Orwellian dictatorship that is China?

That foreigners are currently able to live expat lives of relative ease in China is irrelevant to the surreal and intrusive authoritarian nature of the government there, to how utterly corrupt it is at every level, from the local to the national.

The accusation that you're choosing cash over freedom is harsh, judgmental and dogmatic, and yet...it's not wrong.
What whatnext said was indeed harsh. There are a bevy of other reasons to stay somewhere that may or may not align with your personal views than just cash. Family usually plays a big part.

I stayed in Shanghai for so long because I loved the place. I had a job that I loved, and an amazing group of friends, but China is changing, and for me, not in a way I'm personally comfortable with.

I feel for all of my Chinese friends who hate the direction the country is going in, but like all Chinese, are powerless to speak out. It started to get really dark, and when some real heavy-handed tactics started to be implemented (we all saw it coming, but it was still a wake-up call when things started to ramp up), that's when I saw the mood of everyone turn, and the massive exodus (whether voluntary or involuntary) started to happen. It was eye-opening to see how quickly everything could change, which is silly on my part because China's biggest positive was how quickly everything from transit, infrastructure and business could change, but now it was more of a social change towards the "new" party line.

I love China. There's nowhere outside of Canada that has had such a profound affect on my life. I just hope......, I don't even know what I can realistically hope for China that would make me feel comfortable. I just hope not too much damage is done to the Chinese people.
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What whatnext said was indeed harsh. There are a bevy of other reasons to stay somewhere that may or may not align with your personal views than just cash. Family usually plays a big part.
Family is my main reason for staying. If I were single I'd probably move to Taipei at this point, since I love that city and it's nowhere near as expensive as HK or Singapore. But Shanghai is still great and I can't see myself leaving anytime soon.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2019, 1:16 AM
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Family is my main reason for staying. If I were single I'd probably move to Taipei at this point, since I love that city and it's nowhere near as expensive as HK or Singapore. But Shanghai is still great and I can't see myself leaving anytime soon.
Taipei is awesome, and it's where my wife and I will move to if things don't feel right in Vancouver. After Seoul, we'll head to Vancouver next year, and see how things play out. If we're not feeling it, Taipei will absolutely be our next destination.
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A bit of a headscratcher from Global Affairs Canada as the Trudeau government approved a close ally of Bashar Assad regime as Syria's Honorary Consul:

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...n-in-montreal/

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Waseem Ramli is a well-to-do Montreal businessman who harbours an infamously unapologetic loyalty to the blood-soaked Baathist regime in Damascus. He’s often seen driving the streets of the city in his bright red Humvee, with its 1SYRIA custom licence plates, and its rear window emblazoned with the flag of the Syrian Arab Republic and the country’s Hawk of Quraish coat of arms. A side window is obscured with a portrait of Syrian mass murderer Bashar Assad.

Among the thousands of Syrian refugees who have settled in Montreal since 2015, the Kuwaiti-born Ramli is a notorious character. To many, his Humvee is an unsettling, menacing sight. Even so, Ramli, the director of his own management consultancy and proprietor of the popular Cocktail Hawaii restaurant on Rue Maisonneuve, has held little sway over Montreal’s Syrian community.

Until now.

On October 1, with Ottawa’s blessing, Ramli will become perhaps the most powerful Baathist regime official in North America. As Montreal’s “honorary consul,” Ramli will control the consular affairs of tens of thousands of people in the Syrian diaspora in Eastern Canada and much of the United States. The only other Syrian honorary consul in North America operates out of an office in Vancouver.

All this came to pass in a manner that you could call sketchy in the extreme. And it all happened quickly and quietly.
He's apparently been photographed at various Liberal Party events, and there's even a photo of him with Justin Trudeau and another senior Liberal MP.



Also, there's a photo of him standing smiling with Bashar Assad:



Serious WTF moment.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2019, 2:56 AM
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Would be interesting to know if the Minister was made aware of the appointment request, or whether it was dealt with by the bureaucrats.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2019, 3:16 AM
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Would be interesting to know if the Minister was made aware of the appointment request, or whether it was dealt with by the bureaucrats.
Well, Chrystia Freeland put out a statement that she and her staff are looking into it...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...amli-1.5294897
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2019, 3:21 AM
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Well, Chrystia Freeland put out a statement that she and her staff are looking into it...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montr...amli-1.5294897
From the report: She says neither she nor her team were aware that Global Affairs officials had approved his appointment and has asked the department to look into it right away. So, as I suspected.
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Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou returns to Vancouver court for document hearing

Alyse Kotyk, CTV News Vancouver
Published Monday, September 23, 2019 7:13AM PDT
Last Updated Monday, September 23, 2019 2:49PM PDT


Huawei's CFO, Meng Wanzhou, returned to court in Vancouver Monday, as her lawyers are arguing for the release of documents related to her initial arrest.

Meng was arrested at Vancouver International Airport at the request of U.S. authorities last December. They wanted to extradite her as part of an investigation into alleged Iran sanction violations.

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https://bc.ctvnews.ca/huawei-cfo-men...ring-1.4605815
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This morning, Minister Freeland revoked the status of the recently appointed honorary consul of Syria. She's asked for a review of how he was approved in the first place.
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Delegates to the Union of BC Municipalities voted to ban sponsorship by foreign governments of convention events, in response to China's sponsorship of one of the receptions:

...Elected officials don’t want to see foreign government sponsorship at the annual Union of B.C. Municipalities convention, although they are in favour of sponsorship from corporations and unions.

The union, which struck a panel this summer to review sponsorship and financing of the conference, surveyed delegates who gathered at the convention in Vancouver on Wednesday.

The review was prompted by concern from some municipal politicians about a reception sponsored by the consulate general of China. The Chinese consulate, which hosts its reception on Wednesday evening, pays about $6,000 to be a sponsor.

Sixty-five per cent of delegates who voted either disagreed or strongly disagreed with foreign governments being allowed to sponsor the convention...


https://theprovince.com/news/local-n...6-da49e74c08c5
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2019, 11:07 PM
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What whatnext said was indeed harsh. There are a bevy of other reasons to stay somewhere that may or may not align with your personal views than just cash. Family usually plays a big part.

I stayed in Shanghai for so long because I loved the place. I had a job that I loved, and an amazing group of friends, but China is changing, and for me, not in a way I'm personally comfortable with.

I feel for all of my Chinese friends who hate the direction the country is going in, but like all Chinese, are powerless to speak out. It started to get really dark, and when some real heavy-handed tactics started to be implemented (we all saw it coming, but it was still a wake-up call when things started to ramp up), that's when I saw the mood of everyone turn, and the massive exodus (whether voluntary or involuntary) started to happen. It was eye-opening to see how quickly everything could change, which is silly on my part because China's biggest positive was how quickly everything from transit, infrastructure and business could change, but now it was more of a social change towards the "new" party line.

I love China. There's nowhere outside of Canada that has had such a profound affect on my life. I just hope......, I don't even know what I can realistically hope for China that would make me feel comfortable. I just hope not too much damage is done to the Chinese people.
I'm glad we have a couple of members on the ground in China to give some perspective.

The lens of the media makes it hard to judge the accuracy of real life on the ground.

I'm most certainly not a fan of the government of the PRC, but don't mistake my disdain for the Communist Party as a blanket incrimination of all the citizens of China. I want the best for its citizens and I believe the best involves letting the people into the decision-making process of government.
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I'm glad we have a couple of members on the ground in China to give some perspective.

The lens of the media makes it hard to judge the accuracy of real life on the ground.

I'm most certainly not a fan of the government of the PRC, but don't mistake my disdain for the Communist Party as a blanket incrimination of all the citizens of China. I want the best for its citizens and I believe the best involves letting the people into the decision-making process of government.


Unfortunately your nuanced approach is not shared by many members of this online community - some of whom actually equated a cultural celebration in Vancouver with said actions of the CCP government and mused about it's untimely destruction. To them all Chinese are money laundering speculators at best and a potential 5th column at worst

https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sho...7358&post17599
https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sho...44#post8697444

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Unfortunately your nuanced approach is not shared by many members of this online community - some of whom actually equated a cultural celebration in Vancouver with said actions of the CCP government and mused about it's untimely destruction. To them all Chinese are money laundering speculators at best and a potential 5th column at worst

https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sho...7358&post17599
https://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sho...44#post8697444
LOL, right out of the United Front playbook. The disingenuous comments about an innocent cultural celebration, and the praise for "nuanced" discussion which convniently isn't critical of China.

Why don't you give us your "nuanced" comments about this?

...Drone footage has emerged showing police leading hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men from a train in what is believed to be a transfer of inmates in Xinjiang.

The video, posted anonymously on YouTube last week, shows what appear to be Uighur or other minorities wearing blue and yellow uniforms, with cleanly shaven heads, their eyes covered, sitting in rows on the ground and later being led away by police. Prisoners in China are often transferred with handcuffs and masks covering their faces.

Nathan Ruser, a researcher with the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s international cyber policy centre, used clues in the footage, including landmarks and the position of the sun, to verify the video, which he believes was shot at a train station west of Korla in south-east Xinjiang in August last year.

Much of the focus of international criticism of China’s far-reaching anti-terrorism campaign in Xinjiang has centred on the extrajudicial detentions of more than 1 million ethnic Uighurs and other Muslim minorities in internment and political re-education camps...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...isoners-uighur
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