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Old Posted Aug 6, 2019, 5:34 AM
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When it comes to the safety of drivers and moving goods efficiently to port B.C. obviously doesn't care. What are they going to do next to save a few bucks? Stop putting lane markers on roads?
Well, they kind of already do. So many city roads and highways have crappy water-based paint on the lane lines that wash away really fast and are damn near impossible to see at night. Lots of roads also have missing or non-existent cat's eyes lane reflectors too.
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I just google earth’d it and yes it’s that same as it’s been since the 90’s

There were always a lot of wrecks at that exit because people would be hauling down that big hill into Merritt, take the exit but be unprepared for the sharp curve, especially in winter time. They obviously have room for a proper interchange there, I wonder why it hasn’t been done yet.
Merritt, Merritt... Will the people there ever think there’s merit in making that interchange free flowing... Will they ever think there’s no merit in stopping the traffic...
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Well, they kind of already do. So many city roads and highways have crappy water-based paint on the lane lines that wash away really fast and are damn near impossible to see at night. Lots of roads also have missing or non-existent cat's eyes lane reflectors too.
B.C. really wants people to teleport huh.
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Well, they kind of already do. So many city roads and highways have crappy water-based paint on the lane lines that wash away really fast and are damn near impossible to see at night. Lots of roads also have missing or non-existent cat's eyes lane reflectors too.
I always wondered why they don't use the plastic line like they do here in Edmonton. Makes much more sense there than here.
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Well, they kind of already do. So many city roads and highways have crappy water-based paint on the lane lines that wash away really fast and are damn near impossible to see at night. Lots of roads also have missing or non-existent cat's eyes lane reflectors too.
You beat me to the punch. The Lower Mainland and Sea-to-Sky are near-deathtraps during the wet winter season, especially. It verges on criminal negligence on the bureaucrats part.
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You beat me to the punch. The Lower Mainland and Sea-to-Sky are near-deathtraps during the wet winter season, especially. It verges on criminal negligence on the bureaucrats part.
Speaking on that, here in Ontario, the ministry of transportation was almost held criminal responsible for all the mayhem on our Highway 3 (between Essex and Leamington along Lake Erie shore).
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You beat me to the punch. The Lower Mainland and Sea-to-Sky are near-deathtraps during the wet winter season, especially. It verges on criminal negligence on the bureaucrats part.
Maybe if people learned to use winter tires and drive for the conditions, it wouldn't be so bad. Not just Vancouver, same thing happens in Kelowna, Edmonton, and Calgary.
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When I lived in Vancouver I had Nokians on steelies for my Volvo, as I drove up to the Okanagan a lot over the Coquihalla. Everyone down there was surprised that I'd swap over to winters. Then I'd pass those people in their BMW's and Audi's piled into the snowbanks, so I guess I got the last laugh

Speaking of lack of lines, Coming out of Jasper park towards Hinton there are no lines on the highway at all, and there are even signs that say "no lines on roadway". Someone figured it would be better to put up a sign than actually putting lines down.
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When I lived in Vancouver I had Nokians on steelies for my Volvo, as I drove up to the Okanagan a lot over the Coquihalla. Everyone down there was surprised that I'd swap over to winters. Then I'd pass those people in their BMW's and Audi's piled into the snowbanks, so I guess I got the last laugh

Speaking of lack of lines, Coming out of Jasper park towards Hinton there are no lines on the highway at all, and there are even signs that say "no lines on roadway". Someone figured it would be better to put up a sign than actually putting lines down.
they were doing road repairs along that section when I was out there last week. I guess waiting for the work to be done before scheduling the line painters.
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^ No sign of any construction when we went through late last week. You know how silly things can get when huge long lines of backed-up traffic break out of the park and hit that passing lane up the hill... it was a free-for-all, no one seemed to have a clue where to be on the road. They should have at least put temporary markers down if they were waiting for construction to be complete.
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Maybe if people learned to use winter tires and drive for the conditions, it wouldn't be so bad. Not just Vancouver, same thing happens in Kelowna, Edmonton, and Calgary.
No amount of tires (and yes I run with winter Nokians) and due attention can overcome poor visibility. A wet Vancouver road at nighttime might as well be a black hole.
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Maybe if people learned to use winter tires and drive for the conditions, it wouldn't be so bad. Not just Vancouver, same thing happens in Kelowna, Edmonton, and Calgary.
Winter tires don't do anything for the abysmal lane markings in this country. It's like they just rub it on with chalk, it's gone within a few months.
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Maybe if people learned to use winter tires and drive for the conditions, it wouldn't be so bad. Not just Vancouver, same thing happens in Kelowna, Edmonton, and Calgary.
Maybe you should take a drive on that road on even a clear summer night and see how crappy the visibility is on essentially a still new highway. Even though there's still the original section just north of Porteau Cove. Which stupidly still has nothing done in that section for improvements.
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Maybe you should take a drive on that road on even a clear summer night and see how crappy the visibility is on essentially a still new highway. Even though there's still the original section just north of Porteau Cove. Which stupidly still has nothing done in that section for improvements.
Bbbbbbbut we're saving the environment! Greenest city in the world! And other empty platitudes.
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Well, they kind of already do. So many city roads and highways have crappy water-based paint on the lane lines that wash away really fast and are damn near impossible to see at night. Lots of roads also have missing or non-existent cat's eyes lane reflectors too.
Reflectors are pretty much pointless anywhere that gets regular winter plowing operation. Even recessed ones are destroyed within a season. You can get away with it in the Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island because they don't plow often.
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Maybe you should take a drive on that road on even a clear summer night and see how crappy the visibility is on essentially a still new highway. Even though there's still the original section just north of Porteau Cove. Which stupidly still has nothing done in that section for improvements.
I've already dealt with commuting from Mission to Vancouver every day for 5 years, no thanks. I thought s211 was talking about snow clearing.
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This doc explains the various forms of line marking and what is more durable.

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...n/pavemark.pdf
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Tired of this thread just being bitching, so here are some pics I took on my trip through BC the other week.

A couple night shots of the #1 from the Brunette Interchange.

Highway 1 Night by Ian, on Flickr

A couple shots of the Crowsnest climbing out of Osoyoos. My favorite descent into a valley ever.

Highway Switchbacks by Ian, on Flickr

Tight Curve! by Ian, on Flickr

Okanagan Welcome by Ian, on Flickr

And the Okanagan Connector heading west. The wind turbines were a surprise to me. Not there last time I took the Connector.

Okanagan Connector; Leaving Kelowna by Ian, on Flickr

Okanagan Connector; On Top of the World by Ian, on Flickr

Okanagan Connector by Ian, on Flickr

Always enjoy a good road trip through BC in the summer!
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Great shots, Ian!
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Yeah that drop down into Osoyoos from the Boundary country has some dramatic scenery.

Cool to see the wind turbines up there. Those must be fairly recent
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