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Old Posted Oct 30, 2019, 6:41 PM
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Havana also has a significant collection of Art Deco & Moderne. Alas, much of it is in dire shape.
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Rio de Janeiro- this barely scratches the surface.

Centro-Cinelandia https://goo.gl/maps/hYUfndCkxXwduhva9
Centro-Praça Mauá https://goo.gl/maps/XNssMWCdAvssxtQz5
Centro- Central do Brasil https://goo.gl/maps/2bDcjKsdMTWuXemH7
Flamengo I- https://goo.gl/maps/uAEqud48rH58tmXB6
Flamengo II- https://goo.gl/maps/u3ZdfuGFMjG1o8mo8
Flamengo III- https://goo.gl/maps/ujkCFAb2opwwAqAW7
Copacabana- https://goo.gl/maps/zy3x9RehAAhcwU5p6
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Oh, yeah, that reminds me. BA has to have a huge collection; albeit much of it semi-dilapidated.
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Union Terminal
That's not really Union Terminal. It's the Justice League's secret headquarters.
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^ the resemblance is not a coincidence:

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The Hall appeared in the very first episode of the Super Friends series, which premiered on September 8, 1973. It was originally drawn by Al Gmuer, background supervisor for Hanna-Barbera for more than 30 years. Gmuer modeled the fortress after the art deco Union Terminal in Cincinnati, Ohio, a train station turned museum. Cincinnati was also where Hanna-Barbera's corporate parent of the time, Taft Broadcasting, happened to be based.
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Miami (Especially South Beach)
LA
Shanghai
Mumbai
Asheville
Havana

Any other city that had its heyday in the 1920s-1940s.
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Oh, yeah, that reminds me. BA has to have a huge collection; albeit much of it semi-dilapidated.
Buenos Aires? I don't think it has a lot. I think it's more dominated by neoclassical, which is why it looks to me more like a European capital than a city in the Americas. I've seen old photos of Rio that seemed to more resemble present day BsAs than it does to current day Rio, but I think a lot of the old architecture in the former was destroyed in favor of urban renewal projects.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2019, 7:59 PM
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I toured Grand Concourse for about 30 blocks on Streetview, and the deco didn't really jump out at me. It's a very impressive street due to the continuous, unbroken street wall, but it doesn't scream art deco like I was expecting it to based on some of the replies in this thread.

This building is pretty clearly art deco inspired:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8366...7i16384!8i8192

But if you turn the camera around, basically everything else you can see is not done in the deco style. That said, I'm sure NYC has the most art deco buildings, because they have the most buildings period- especially buildings from the 1920s-40s.

I think Los Angeles has some really great art deco structures. The city was really in its first big boom period in the height of art deco's popularity as a style. From the iconic blue Eastern Columbia building (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0425...7i16384!8i8192) to this stunner in the Jewelry District )https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0466...7i13312!8i6656) to the Bullocks Wilshire in Westlake/K-Town (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0617...7i16384!8i8192), LA has some really stunning examples of the style.
If you continue in either direction on the GC, there is quite a bit of budget deco or "moderne" inspired architecture lining the street. Seems to me that most of the buildings from the 1930s, especially the late 30s, are more moderne than deco. Of course, there is a fair amount of overlap between the two styles.
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Buenos Aires? I don't think it has a lot. I think it's more dominated by neoclassical, which is why it looks to me more like a European capital than a city in the Americas. I've seen old photos of Rio that seemed to more resemble present day BsAs than it does to current day Rio, but I think a lot of the old architecture in the former was destroyed in favor of urban renewal projects.
A big chunk of Rio's neoclassical was in fact destroyed, but this happened mainly in Centro.

If you go into other neighborhoods like Santa Teresa and Laranjeiras, those neighborhoods are still dominated by this architecture type. Very lovely neighborhoods that are seeing lots of conscious revitalization.

Rio is underestimated by many, but it's not a surprise to me that it's been named the first ''World Capital of Architecture'' by UNESCO.
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re: Mumbai and Shanghai, there's no way they can compete with American cities in raw numbers. There are some prominent colonial buildings but common people in those cities weren't building art deco donut shops and doctor's offices in the 30s. I bet there are so few art deco buildings in those cities that it is possible to catalog every single last one of them (Which, paradoxically, is probably the reason why they are able to claim that they have the 2nd most art deco buildings in the world).
Actually its precisely that which makes those cities claim the most art deco buildings in the world, not just their grand hotels, apartment complexes and offices. Bear in mind a large chunk of the central city was built in that era, before the wartime moratorium:

Shanghai for example built thousands of shikumen housing in art deco style - check the link:

https://www.google.com/search?client...4dUDCAY&uact=5



https://cdn.citylab.com



www.shanghaiartdeco.net


https://img.theculturetrip.com

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An article on Shanghai as the world's largest collection of art deco:

https://www.mandarinoriental.com/mo-...-tour-shanghai

"But the faded glamour of Shanghai in the 1930s – when it was the world’s fifth largest city and Asia’s most vibrant modern metropolis – is best embodied in the buildings found on the other side of the river, that were designed in one particular style: Art Deco. Several thousand examples are believed to still stand – making Shanghai the city with the highest number of Art Deco buildings in the world."
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Los Angeles has many as well, just not necessarily in the form of highrises or skyscrapers.
Eastern Columbia building is once of the best still around. The old Richfield Tower was a nice art deco, but unfortunately was torn down in 1968-69 to make way for the 52 story ARCO twins.
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Actually its precisely that which makes those cities claim the most art deco buildings in the world, not just their grand hotels, apartment complexes and offices. Bear in mind a large chunk of the central city was built in that era, before the wartime moratorium:

Shanghai for example built thousands of shikumen housing in art deco style - check the link:

https://www.google.com/search?client...4dUDCAY&uact=5
Maybe there's more than is commonly thought, but then again, if you're counting individual residences with art deco elements as art deco buildings, and you're still only at a few thousand samples, that's not gonna cut it for #2 in the world .

Many American SFHs from that time period could be counted as well. Even if they weren't explicitly built as art deco residences, they integrated many of the decorative elements and motifs into their designs. Something like a 1930s Spanish colonial with vintage art deco lighting fixtures and leaded glass - very common around here.

Here's my ranking, considering both quality and quantity:

NYC
LA
Chicago
Detroit
Miami

If we include the rest the world, the ranking does not change.
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Maybe there's more than is commonly thought, but then again, if you're counting individual residences with art deco elements as art deco buildings, and you're still only at a few thousand samples, that's not gonna cut it for #2 in the world .

Many American SFHs from that time period could be counted as well. Even if they weren't explicitly built as art deco residences, they integrated many of the decorative elements and motifs into their designs. Something like a 1930s Spanish colonial with vintage art deco lighting fixtures and leaded glass - very common around here.

Here's my ranking, considering both quality and quantity:

NYC
LA
Chicago
Detroit
Miami

If we include the rest the world, the ranking does not change.
Have you researched this topic? Your list looks awfully American-centric, and doesn't seem to be rooted in any data, as far as I can tell. Just a hunch or what?
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How big is the French Concession in Shanghai? It's seems like a pretty limited area behind the Bund unless there are more Art Deco in other parts of town.
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Have you researched this topic? Your list looks awfully American-centric, and doesn't seem to be rooted in any data, as far as I can tell. Just a hunch or what?
That's a bit like asking why your list of cities with the best Craftsman style architecture is American centric...

The list is American centric because art deco is largely American centric. It was popular around the world, but no other country has embraced the style to the extant that America has. Nobody has done more with the style. You ever wonder why there are no great art deco towers in the birthplace of art deco?

I would easily put Detroit's best against the best of Shanghai and Mumbai.
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That's a bit like asking why your list of cities with the best Craftsman style architecture is American centric...

The list is American centric because art deco is largely American centric. It was popular around the world, but no other country has embraced the style to the extant that America has. Nobody has done more with the style. You ever wonder why there are no great art deco towers in the birthplace of art deco?

I would easily put Detroit's best against the best of Shanghai and Mumbai.
Rio, to pick one example, has a huge collection of Art Deco, including towers. It is a global style, with representation in China, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico...all over. Now, best and biggest collections are also different conversations, which I mentioned in an earlier post. Skyscrapers and big train stations, government buildings, civic institutions, etc. make a big impression when it comes to these things, and I think they should be weighed more heavily than simple commercial structures that contain trace elements of art deco styling. In this sense, American cities probably do rise to the top. Surely the most iconic deco structures are buildings like the Chrystler, Empire State, etc. I've enjoyed reading about the prevalence of the style in Mumbai and Shanghai, though.
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Eastern Columbia building is once of the best still around. The old Richfield Tower was a nice art deco, but unfortunately was torn down in 1968-69 to make way for the 52 story ARCO twins.
This streetview that sopas ej posted was vaguely reminiscent of the richfield tower. Black Gold:

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I'm old enough to remember when this was a Crocker Bank:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0690...7i16384!8i8192
Some old timers tell me that if the Richfield tower still stood today it would be the most beautiful building in the city. Another underrated gem is the county USC medical center: https://goo.gl/maps/4oMX9b78y8AbTxxN6 Gotta love that postwar Berlin brutalist aesthetic. This might actually be the largest art deco building in the country. I think it just edges out Buffalo city hall.
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Having the most impressive art deco towers doesn't necessarily mean the most art deco buildings. I'd agree with NYC at number 1 and Miami being in the mix, but other than that it's up in the air.

Lots of colonial countries embraced the style just as much as the US just tended not to build massive towers, though there are iconic train stations and the like. Not experiencing the effects of Depression to the same degree certainly helped with proliferation of the style. For instance I'd put money on Johannesburg having more deco structures than Detroit, even though latter may have more iconic deco buildings (the gap isn't as large as one may assume though). Certain streets are lined with the style, but many of the buildings are in rough shape. Colonial interpretations of deco do tend to be more subdued than the US, which again may not be surprising.

Canada's actually a bit of an outlier compared to other commonwealth nations in that deco isn't nearly as prevalent. Toronto does have a number of interesting late deco structures that were delayed by the depression / WWII and ended up being built with modernist influences, but that's an aside.
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