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Old Posted Jul 2, 2009, 1:43 AM
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Shanghai currently has 8 metro lines operational, with a total length of 232km. There are several extensions and new lines under construction, most opening before the start of the World Expo next May. They are:

Line 8 (extension) - Yaohua Road-Airport Museum, 14km, opening next week
Line 7 (new line) - Qihua Road - Huamu Road, 35km, opening by end of December; (extension), Qihua Road-Meilanhu, 10km, opening by May 2010.
Line 9 (extension) - Yishan Road - Central Yanggao Road, 14.5km, opening by end of December
Line 10 (new line) - New Jiangwan City - Hongqiao Railway Station, 36km, opening by May 1st, 2010.
Line 11 (new line) - Branched line, total 45km, opening by end of December
Line 2 (2 extensions) - extension west from Songhong Road to Xujing, including Hongqiao Airport, 8km; extension east from Zhangjiang Hi-Tech park to Pudong Airport, 30km, both open by May 2010.

A map of the Shanghai Metro by next year, when the total length of the system will be over 400km. It also shows lines that will be built by the end of 2012, when the system length will reach over 500km.
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All very interesting pictures...
Can someone explain why very few rail lines in the US are powered via an overhead wire/catenary? It seems like the majority are just plain tracks and that's it. Only the NEC (Northeastern Corridor) seems to be fully powered in this country. Even looking at the Toronto pictures, the long-distance VIA train seems to not be powered overhead.
The Metra Electric District (formerly Illinois Central) and NICTD South Shore commuter rail services are both powered by overhead catenary. Of course much/most of the New York and Philadelphia commuter rail networks are also electric-powered, though some by third rail.

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One more thing. The horizontal planks that run perpendicular to the rail, are made out of wood in the US. In contrast, in Europe and Russia they're made out of concrete or steel, providing more robustness/reliability. Just wondering why America goes with wood.
As previously stated, freight railroads (who own most trackage in the intercity context and a substantial portion of trackage in commuter rail contexts) generally find that wooden ties are the most cost effective for their needs. Urban mass transit and passenger-only commuter rail trackage increasingly use plastic composite ties, though there is still plenty of wood out there on many systems as it was all that was available at reasonable cost for most of the past century.

Concrete ties aren't too common - by the time reinforced concrete reached a point where it could be cost-effectively poured to withstand the required temperature range in most US cities (our continental climate tends to be much more extreme than most of Europe), plastic composite had been developed which is generally better for most applications from a cost/benefit/maintenance standpoint. When Chicago built new rapid transit lines in the late 1960s, they were built with concrete ties, but these were replaced within 10 years with creosote-treated wood because the concrete couldn't handle the harsh environment. These are all gradually being replaced with plastic composite.
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So I'm just wondering, if it's so expensive to install, why do Europeans have them all over the place? Did the Europeans also install them in the 30s? If not, then why can't we do what they did recently, are we less rich?
Several reasons why there are differences between American and European railroads. First, one has to realize that historically American freight and passenger railroads have "almost" always been owned by private corporations. Government agencies regulated them. About the only areas Government agencies have historically owned and operated railroads have been by city owned transit agencies. It shouldn't be surprising to find most electric powered trains in Amercia are owned and operated by local transit agencies.
The Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) is the only freight railroad corporation I'm aware that hung electric catenary wires above it's mainline between New York City and Washington D.C. in the 1930s. Earlier in the 1910s and 1920s New York City experienced train disasters in the tunnels leading into the city, that the city passed laws banning steam trains in tunnels. That's why the PRR went ahead and hung electric wires above its mainline tracks leading to New York City. They did so because they had to, or leave town.
Note, the PRR only did so as far as most of their trains traveled to and from New York City.

The history of locomotives comes into play too. Both Europe and America had plenty of coal to feed steam locomotives. America had plenty of oil to feed steam and diesel locomotives cheaply too. Europe did not have an abundant supply of cheap oil. Fuel has always been heavily taxed in Europe. That's why Europe hung far more electric wires over their tracks. Also bringing in the subject of my first paragraph, European governments are far more financially supportive of their railroads.

Therefore, basic economics is the reason why you see more catenary wires over European railroads. Privately owned railroad corporations, little to no government financial support, an cheap fuel prices have discourage railroads in America from hanging electric wires over their tracks.

Last year was the first, and so far the only time America has seen $5 per gallon for fuel. Europeans have seen fuel prices that high for decades. America has far more miles of tracks than Europe. The United States had approximately 270,000 miles of railroad by 1929. In comparison, Europe had approximately 217,000; Asia 69,000; and Africa 29,000. Today, the United States has 140,000 miles of railroads left, Europe has 97,000 miles (156,000 kilometers). I know not all of the 156,000 kilometers have electric wires.

All told, nine E.U. nations operating high-speed rail are set to spend a total of some $200 billion in the next decade to triple their combined "high speed" track length from 3,100 miles (5,000 km) to 9,300 miles (15,000 km). Obama plans to spend $15 billion for faster speed passenger trains over the next 5 years. Your answer should be obvious from the facts in that last sentence.

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http://www.oldandsold.com/articles25/railroads-33.shtml
http://www.aar.org/PubCommon/Documen...y/Overview.pdf
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...901431,00.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=hxI...esult&resnum=4

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One more thing. The horizontal planks that run perpendicular to the rail, are made out of wood in the US. In contrast, in Europe and Russia they're made out of concrete or steel, providing more robustness/reliability. Just wondering why America goes with wood.
They're concrete everywhere I've paid attention to them in Dallas. They just started construction on the A-Train from Denton County to Dallas County and they're tearing up all the existing track and replacing it with concrete ties.

This is track that was laid for the TRE...


http://www.alltexcoring.com/projects.html


http://www.herzogcompanies.com/photo...nstruction.php


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On the new commuter rail here they used all concrete ties, except at the switches. At all of the switches, they used wood ties. Any reason why?
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That's odd arkhitektor, where I am they've been doing the opposite, concreting the switches and then the straights.

Anyways, I ride the LIRR daily, then hop on the Subway. Someone already posted the maps on page 1 of both systems, but here's some pictures.

LIRR:

M3 series MU Train

M7 series MU Train

EMD DM30AC pulling C3 passenger cars

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R142 2 Train

R62 3 Train
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Which LIRR lines are 3rd rail and which are diesel?
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To quote Dave Keller on a different website
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Atlantic Branch: Flatbush Avenue to Jamaica and on to Rosedale

Belmont Park Spur (not an actual branch): East of Queens Village to Belmont Park Racetrack (in racing season)

Far Rockaway Branch: Jamaica to Valley Stream and Far Rockaway

Hempstead Branch: Jamaica to Floral Park and Hempstead

Long Beach Branch: Jamaica to Lynbrook and Long Beach

Main Line: Penn Station to Jamaica, Hicksville and Ronkonkoma

Montauk Branch: Jamaica to St. Albans, Rockville Centre and Babylon

Oyster Bay Branch: Jamaica to Mineola and East Williston (1st stop on the branch)

Port Jefferson Branch: Jamaica to Hicksville and Huntington

Port Washington Branch: Penn Station to Woodside and Port Washington (skips the Jamaica hub altogether)

West Hempstead: Jamaica to Valley Stream and West Hempstead
Are all electrified. Everything else is diesel Territory (so for example, the Port Jefferson branch is electrified to Huntington, then Diesel east of that).

Some diesels run all the way to Penn Station though, those are the dual-modes, designated by the name DM (instead of DE) and wear the number 500-512 (the diesel's are numbered 400-412)
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Several reasons why there are differences between American and European railroads. First, one has to realize that historically American freight and passenger railroads have "almost" always been owned by private corporations. Government agencies regulated them. About the only areas Government agencies have historically owned and operated railroads have been by city owned transit agencies. It shouldn't be surprising to find most electric powered trains in Amercia are owned and operated by local transit agencies.
The Pennsylvania Railroad (PRR) is the only freight railroad corporation I'm aware that hung electric catenary wires above it's mainline between New York City and Washington D.C. in the 1930s. Earlier in the 1910s and 1920s New York City experienced train disasters in the tunnels leading into the city, that the city passed laws banning steam trains in tunnels. That's why the PRR went ahead and hung electric wires above its mainline tracks leading to New York City. They did so because they had to, or leave town.
Note, the PRR only did so as far as most of their trains traveled to and from New York City.
The Milwaukee Road also experimented with electrification on parts of their transcontinental route:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/classic/MILWdata5.html

It's unfortunate that such short-sighted concerns scrapped this project.
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This is the latest version of the Shanghai metro map that is currently being installed at all the stations system-wide. It includes all the lines and stretches that will be opened before the Expo next year.

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Old Posted Jul 9, 2009, 5:06 AM
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That map is seriously cool! I saw it at Shanghai Indoor Stadium (where they are renovating the Line 1 part of the station) last weekend, and I was very impressed.

I have one question about the map, though, and maybe someone knows more about the plans than I do: The (Chinese-only) notice on the map on the Line 2 extension at Guanglan Road says that 4 car trains will run between Guanglan Road and Pudong Airport - will there ONLY be 4 car trains on that section of Line 2, or will some of the 8 car trains make the entire run from Xujing to Pudong Airport?
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The London rail network is probably the second largest network on the planet after that of Tokyo's; encompassing some 1,200 heavy rail stations (600 in the city, 600 in the metro area), and a crazy 5,938 route km (not to be confused with track km).

Breakdown of Route km
400km - London Underground
818km - London National Rail
4,720km - London Metro National Rail
5,938km - TOTAL

Not included in the above, but the other rail networks of London:
31km - DLR
28km - Croydon Tramlink

There are some 20+ different rail operators managing the vast rail network, with thousands of trains entering Central London delivering millions of commuters to their desks. Most of the commuter and intercity rail operators terminate at one (or several) termini dotted around the central core:
- London St Pancras (Eurostar, East Midland Trains, First Capital Connect, Southeastern)
- London King's Cross (East Coast Main Line, First Capital Connect, Hull Trains)
- London Moorgate (First Capital Connect)
- London Liverpool Street (National Express East Anglia, London Stansted Airport Express)
- London Fenchurch Street (c2c)
- London Bridge (First Capital Connect, Southeastern, Southern)
- London Cannon Street (Southeastern)
- London Charing Cross (Southeastern, Southern)
- London Waterloo (South West Trains)
- London Victoria (London Gatwick Airport Express, Southeastern, Southern)
- London Paddington (Heathrow Connect, London Heathrow Airport Express, First Great Western)
- London Marylebone (Chiltern Railways)
- London Euston (London Midland)

Due to the nature of the network it would be futile to try and count the number of lines due to bundling and overlapping of train operators and services.




London Rail Maps

London Connections



London Metro





Commuter Rail Operators

Major National Rail development projects that are currently being undertaken include a massive expansion of one of the central rail routes (First Capital Connect), the construction of another (Crossrail), and planning for further lines. Several termini are either in the process of being given major overhauls (London King's Cross, London Bridge & London Cannon Street), or are due one in the next five years (London Euston, London Victoria & London Waterloo).

All stations across the network now have electronic platform display boards, and major on-going works include providing step-free access, longer and more numerous platforms and modern, longer, and faster trains. The latest addition being Europe's first Shinkansen. It is also hoped that the Oyster (contactless) card or another ITSO compatible card will be unveiled across the entire transport network allowing for greater accessibilty and convenience.

In the metro area, work continues to open former-mothballed lines, and open up more of the metro to London and surrounding settlements. Over the next 10 years, the likes of the Varsity Line (which once connected the university cities of Cambridge and Oxford) could be open - creating a new orbital railway around London. Stations on current lines are also opening to provide greater accessibility.

c2c



Chiltern Railways



First Capital Connect



First Great Western



Heathrow Connect



London Midland



National Express East Anglia



South West Trains



Southeastern



Southern





Airport Express Services

London Heathrow Airport Express



London Gatwick Airport Express



London Stansted Airport Express





Intercity Rail

East Coast Main Line



East Midland Trains



Eurostar



First Great Western



Hull Trains



National Express East Anglia



Southeastern Intercity



Virgin Trains





Transport for London Services

Croydon Tramlink

London used to have a vast tram network that spanned the entire city - including possibly the world's only underground double decker tram route. The advert of the double decker bus however led to its decline, and today it is the bus that rules supreme (10,000 buses and 6mn daily ridership). Today while there are several lines planned or on-hold, the only physical network (3 lines) is that in Croydon (south London). The Croydon network itself has a few extensions planned, but nothing is likely to go ahead in the immediate future.






DLR

By itself, the DLR would be suitable for most reasonable city's mass transit system; being easily comparable to Copenhagens' Metro and Skytrain in Vancouver (all three are fully automated metros). An extension via London City Airport to Woolwich opened less than a year ago, and an extension to Stratford International is due to open in 2010. Additional extensions to Dagenham Dock, and another to London Victoria or London Euston are in the pipeline, but most future work will probably extend the network further eastwards as part of the Thames Gateway project.






London Overground





London Underground

The London Underground which itself is the oldest and largest network on the planet is also undergoing several significant projects. The world's largest rail system modernisation scheme is being undertaken, with stations being redeveloped, and several thousand new carriages (the largest order of its set to make an entrance from this December onwards.

An extension to Heathrow Terminal 5 opened in 2008, but the majority of work on the Underground is to provide greater access from the surface and at interchanges, and less congestion and delays.

That said, work continues to progress on Phase I of the East London Line Extension, with Phase II to be complete in 2011 creating a second circle line around Central London. The London Overground lines will add 80km to the London Underground/Overground total. The LO trains were officially unveiviled yesterday and are the first trully walkthrough trains in Britain.

There are also plans at various stages of development to extend the Metropolitan Line to Watford Junction (4 stations - 5.5km), a northern extension to the Bakerloo to Watford Junction (6 stations), and a southern/south-eastern extension to the Bakerloo.




















Other Tain Services

In addition to the normal day-to-day heavy and light rail operations across London and its metro, there are special services that run frequently from London across the UK, one being the Cathedral Express. In addition to services that run on National Rail track, there are dedicated routes and lines (not for commuter or intercity operations) for railway enthusiasts and tourists. London and its environs counts 24 such (standard gauge) railways, including the world's oldest preserved railway the Bluebell Railway.



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God damn.

Still, I've heard Moscow's rail system is equally expansive, if not more so.
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Wood actually can last for a very long time if properly treated before being layed. While maybe not as durable, it's much more cost effective, and easily replaced.
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I happen to know that the railyard for the Coors plant in Golden, Colorado is well over 100 years old and in good operating condition. So, wood, even if not treated properly can last.
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Currently, Honolulu is one of the only large cities in America where there isn't any sort of rail transit system. However, on November of last year, a new rail network has been voted for and approved.
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Tucson, Arizona has a heritage line which is actually really convenient. It's a little over a mile long.





In August, the 4th Ave underpass will open which will bring the trolley into downtown Tucson.



But later this year, a modern streetcar will start construction that will link the Mercado District (across the 10 freeway) to the University Medical Center.


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London has some of the coolest looking trains I've ever been on.
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God damn.

Still, I've heard Moscow's rail system is equally expansive, if not more so.
Moscow has a reasonablely extensive rail network, but I believe the networks of Paris and Berlin are more extensive.
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Nick Taylor, are you trying to make us deprived Midwesterners jealous?
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