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Do you really want SD turning into another SF or Manhattan, an enclave where only the rich can live? I think communities thrive when you have people at all levels, yet those at the lower level can afford the basics. Manhattan and SF, once the great cultural centers of this country are now walled-off to anyone except wealthy Wall Street executives or dot com moguls. I don't think the answer to a great city is squeezing the lower income people out.
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Not at all but San Diego will never become the next NYC or SF.
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So, who do you want to be the gatekeepers to keep those who "shouldn't be here" out? And what criteria would they use? Personally I'm OK with the USA being free, and citizens being able to move freely within our borders, but I do hear this very strange argument a lot that SD has too many people and should just stop building or try and cut-off anyone moving here. Then you take it to another level and suggest using economic criteria to exclude certain people, if I understand your viewpoint correctly?
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What's the other side of this?
I am not saying to exclude people. What I am saying is to base economic development around inclusion first and foremost and always is
just as unfair.
Do you add some more lanes to the 5 and 15? Do you continue to base all decisions on bringing up the bottom tier? When does it end?
Because everyone wants to live in San Diego. It's an amazing place. But it's a bit unfair to continue to keep asking the people who can live here to subsidize those who can't and then turn around and show complete contempt for something they want.
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Isn't part of living in a free market system that you take risks when you open a business? If someone opens a business and their business model is to profit from a sports stadium and after a decade that sports stadium decides to relocate, isn't that part of how a free market works? It's up to the business owner to make a contingency plan?
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Yes. This is how it is supposed to work and this is how it will work.
But the people that work in these places and the people that own these places matter as well. They have contributed to the economy for years. They are all doing their part.
It's OK to have the opinion that they are expendable. It's OK to say that they are an accepted casualty of this process. But I don't really see that happening here.
I see people showing utter contempt for these people and their patrons because what they do does not matter to them. But they can't come to terms with just how one sided their view is.
Why is it ok to show contempt to this group but not another? Is that just byproduct of our politically correct society?
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And I really don't get your argument about how not retaining an NFL team encourages uneducated/poor families to move to the neighborhood.
I've heard a lot of arguments for keeping the Chargers here but must say this one is among the most bizarre. If I've somehow misunderstood your post, please feel free to correct me.
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That point was a little abstract.
To clarify, some are saying that the Chargers should leave because the region has better things to focus on. But these are just opinions and some are stating them as facts.
The Chargers are a community asset and one not used by all but for sure used by many. The point is there is only so much of the pie but the pie should be shared by everyone. To many in San Diego, the Chargers are a part of their culture. Having an NFL team is important to them like having access to culturals is important to the next person.
When you live in a community you have to have a give and take. What I read here a lot is heck of a lot of taking with zero desire to give. It's a my way or the highway mindset.
Because of this, I shared an abstract version of this line of thinking and it proved my point. To many who read it, they reacted with the distain of how dare he say something so one sided.
It was a mirror and apparently some people don't like the view.
By the way, I am not a fan of the Chargers or the NFL in the slightest.