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Old Posted Nov 20, 2007, 2:57 AM
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Downtown Alley Dumpsters

Ditch those downtown bins that are giving Vancouver a bad name

Derek Moscato, The Province
Published: Monday, November 19, 2007

D an Rather, the former CBS news anchor, recently finished a whirlwind tour of Canada's poorest postal code to report on the dark side of our urban paradise.

The legendary broadcaster got an eyeful of street life on the Downtown Eastside, which, as most visitors there know, comes complete with strewn garbage and overflowing dumpsters.

Not that Rather needed to head to the corner of Main and Hastings to witness the grungy side of the city.

Throughout the downtown area, back alleys have become this city's unofficial dumping ground.

In the worst cases, they are marred by graffiti-covered walls, discarded needles and even human waste.

The festering of spoiled food and old mattresses in laneways was more noticeable than usual this past summer during the city's notorious garbage strike. But the stench lingers on.

Not surprisingly, dealers and addicts like to set up shop here, taking cover beside garbage containers to buy, sell and inject drugs.

The situation is more than just unsightly, it's a public- health hazard, and a black eye for Metro Vancouver. And it's a crime that we've allowed this to go on for so long.

Now some folks are fighting back, including the Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association (DVBIA), which wants to dump the dumpsters for good.

According to the business group, the oversized trash containers are the reason these laneways are associated with filth, vandalism and public disorder.

Their proposal: Get rid of the 600-plus bins throughout downtown -- and have businesses bag their trash and recyclables so they can be picked up more frequently.

It's a strategy that's already working in Kelowna and Seattle, with more cities getting in on the act.

Last week, Calgary announced that it too will try out the idea.

Eventually, urban areas can move crime and vagrancy out of dark alleys, and make the cleaned-up spaces available for walking, cycling, shopping and, yes, even restaurant patios.

Not that the goal is to whitewash the alleys and rid them of the so-called binners who make a living finding treasures in the trash.

According to Dave Jones, a DVBIA security consultant, dumpster-divers will be able to find new employment with the proposed garbage pick-up program.

Jones, a former Vancouver police inspector, says his group will go to Vancouver city council later this month to firm up plans and win over civic leaders.

If they're successful, the bins could be gone for good as soon as next February.

Local politicians would be wise to take heed and ditch the dumpsters.

After all, this is about more than appeasing out-of-town reporters like the visiting Rather or the tourists showing up for the 2010 Winter Olympics.

Rather, it's about reclaiming public space in our city and giving it back to the folks who live and work here. dmoscato@yahoo.com
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just the other night me and my friend were walking down an alley just off thurlow and nelson and we passed a number of apartment buildings that had there dumpsters in cages - we thought "only in vancouver" haha

but yeah the ones not locked up are a mess
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hmm i thought the city had already accepted this and were getting rid of the dumpsters in jan/08. especially in yaletown. anyone else hear this?
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I'm a part of the DVBIA committee that involves the dumpster removal. There will be a trial run with the dumpsters on Granville's alleys starting in Jan, it was supposed to be up and running by now but the strike slowed everything down. Depending on the success the project will be expanded to the rest of the core, the goal is for the downtown core to be dumpster less by Summer/08. This program is only for dumpsters on city property though, property owners are still free to have dumpsters on their own property.
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Yeah, but they are also free to lock their dumpsters away... which they frequently do.
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I hope they do get rid of the dumpsters. This should reduce the amount of prostitution and drug taking in the alleys.

My only concern is the binners will wait for the garbage bags to be disposed of in the alleys, and then simply rip open the bags and rummage through the garbage and make even more of a mess.
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A new by-law will also be enacted that would force dumpster owners on private property to have them locked at all times, if they are accessible to the public. 1st offence is a warning, 2nd offence fine, 3rd offence loss of dumpster.

I am also worried about using bags, apparently they will have a timed pick up so you know when to put the bags out and are discouraged from puting them out earlier, also with the new system, money is provided for much more frequent alley cleanup by whichever service provider wins the contract.
I think there will be some initial problems, hence the trial run. Hopefully the kinks are worked out.
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well it seems to have worked in seattle for the past ten years so im sure we'll be able to do it.

it just makes sense to get rid of dumpsters, especially in yaletown. its embarrassing taking people from out of town to patios on hamilton and mainland with stinking dumpsters right in front of you.
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^ Yeah. I always thought that was a bizarre place to put them.

Hopefully, by getting rid of the dumpsters, we can bring some life in to these underused* spaces. I remember reading about plans to use the alleys as attractions. I'd love to have a Taiwanese style night market stretching for blocks in the alleys of Chinatown for instance.



*Used for things besides drug deals and blow jobs
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Their proposal: Get rid of the 600-plus bins throughout downtown -- and have businesses bag their trash and recyclables so they can be picked up more frequently.
OK, so this proposal would mean basically continual rubbish collection? Surely this would be more expensive to taxpayers - more rubbish trucks on the street during the day? Constant collection would mean having crews working all day every day instead of just mornings, right?
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just trying to understand how it's better than the current system. I mean, I'd love to see the back alleys become well-lit, small-biz locations with life and culture. This *might* help it happen.
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Something along the lines of this would be the best:

"CleanScapes dumpster free service is a "pay as you throw" collection service for garbage, recycling, and food waste. CleanScapes' customers place materials in pre-purchased bags or in carts and set the bags and tagged carts in a convenient location for collection.

CleanScapes runs collection routes 24 hours per day, 7 days per week and collects all bags and tagged materials a customer has set out. In that way, our service is "right-sized." Customers pay only for the amount of material collected."

http://www.cleanscapes.com/FAQ.htm
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Dumpsters dumped by Vancouver city council in move to clean up alleys



VANCOUVER - Vancouver city council has voted unanimously to dump the dumpsters from city lanes.

Councillors passed a new bylaw that will see hundreds of garbage bins replaced by a new system of colour-coded bags with sorted waste. The proposal, made by the Downtown Vancouver Business Association, calls for businesses to separate their rubbish into compost material, recyclables, returnables and landfill garbage and leave them out for frequent collections through the day.

The association's "Streets and Alleys Clean-up Strategy" states the plan will help clear out drug addicts, prostitutes, and all the filth and disorder associated with the unsightly bins.

It says removing the dumpsters will also reduce the noise and exhaust from trucks sent out by waste management companies.

Councillor Kim Capri says binners will be safer, alleys will be cleaner, and the city will be more beautiful, pointing to a successful program of bagged garbage already in place in Kelowna.

"They've set up public walkways, cafeterias, they have little markets that pop up in their lanes," she said.

Council to rid downtown of dirty commercial dumpsters
Plan to include binners, recycling

Christina Montgomery
The Province

Friday, November 30, 2007

Vancouver can kiss its downtown dumpsters goodbye -- and, if city council's wishes come true, all the dirt, crime and disorder that go with them.

Council voted unanimously yesterday, over the strenuous objections of the commercial firms that now haul the garbage, to devise an alternative way to deal with commercially generated waste in the downtown core, Yaletown and Gastown.

The idea is to alleviate the noise of commercial-waste trucks, clear alleys of litter and provide less cover for crime.

Central to the plan, which is based on similar programs in Seattle and Kelowna, is finding a way to involve the estimated 1,000 binners that now scour the dumpsters for recyclables and food.

Several spokesmen for commercial hauling firms protested the plan yesterday, arguing that hauling costs could be six times as high under an alternative bag-collection system, and that street disorder would continue.

Business associations have pushed for alternative garbage collection for years. In 2005, council tried to address some of the concerns by asking businesses to lock the containers, but the locks were often cut.

Fining businesses for failing to clean up around their dumpsters proved difficult.

Business-improvement associations in the affected areas will now draw up a system that will likely see businesses pre-sort their garbage, set aside recyclables and set out remaining trash in bags at curbside or in alleys for daily collection.

Ken Lyotier, director of the downtown United We Can recycling centre used by binners to drop off the recyclables they scavenge, lauded council for its decision and urged city staff to craft a way to involve binners in the new system.
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Dumpsters dumped by Vancouver city council in move to clean up alleys



VANCOUVER - Vancouver city council has voted unanimously to dump the dumpsters from city lanes.

Councillors passed a new bylaw that will see hundreds of garbage bins replaced by a new system of colour-coded bags with sorted waste. The proposal, made by the Downtown Vancouver Business Association, calls for businesses to separate their rubbish into compost material, recyclables, returnables and landfill garbage and leave them out for frequent collections through the day.

The association's "Streets and Alleys Clean-up Strategy" states the plan will help clear out drug addicts, prostitutes, and all the filth and disorder associated with the unsightly bins.

It says removing the dumpsters will also reduce the noise and exhaust from trucks sent out by waste management companies.

Councillor Kim Capri says binners will be safer, alleys will be cleaner, and the city will be more beautiful, pointing to a successful program of bagged garbage already in place in Kelowna.

"They've set up public walkways, cafeterias, they have little markets that pop up in their lanes," she said.

Council to rid downtown of dirty commercial dumpsters
Plan to include binners, recycling

Christina Montgomery
The Province

Friday, November 30, 2007

Vancouver can kiss its downtown dumpsters goodbye -- and, if city council's wishes come true, all the dirt, crime and disorder that go with them.

Council voted unanimously yesterday, over the strenuous objections of the commercial firms that now haul the garbage, to devise an alternative way to deal with commercially generated waste in the downtown core, Yaletown and Gastown.

The idea is to alleviate the noise of commercial-waste trucks, clear alleys of litter and provide less cover for crime.

Central to the plan, which is based on similar programs in Seattle and Kelowna, is finding a way to involve the estimated 1,000 binners that now scour the dumpsters for recyclables and food.

Several spokesmen for commercial hauling firms protested the plan yesterday, arguing that hauling costs could be six times as high under an alternative bag-collection system, and that street disorder would continue.

Business associations have pushed for alternative garbage collection for years. In 2005, council tried to address some of the concerns by asking businesses to lock the containers, but the locks were often cut.

Fining businesses for failing to clean up around their dumpsters proved difficult.

Business-improvement associations in the affected areas will now draw up a system that will likely see businesses pre-sort their garbage, set aside recyclables and set out remaining trash in bags at curbside or in alleys for daily collection.

Ken Lyotier, director of the downtown United We Can recycling centre used by binners to drop off the recyclables they scavenge, lauded council for its decision and urged city staff to craft a way to involve binners in the new system.

I would very much like us to make a mental note to review this thread in a year's time and see if all of those hyperbolic claims by the CoV will come true. Cleaning-up prostitution in alleys?! Less noise in alleys from trucks? Markets and public walks? Safer alleys? Less street disorder?

Let's just review this in December 2008.
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finally, this is going to make downtown so much nicer!!!!
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it worked in Seattle, why not here?
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In Miles of Alleys, Chicago Finds Its Next Environmental Frontier

By SUSAN SAULNY
Published: November 26, 2007

CHICAGO, Nov. 25 — If this were any other city, perhaps it would not matter what kind of roadway was underfoot in the back alleys around town. But with nearly 2,000 miles of small service streets bisecting blocks from the North Side to the South Side, Chicago is the alley capital of America. In its alleys, city officials say, it has the paved equivalent of five midsize airports.

Part of the landscape since the city began, the alleys, mostly home to garbage bins and garages, make for cleaner and less congested main streets. But Chicago’s distinction is not without disadvantages: Imagine having a duplicate set of streets, in miniature, to maintain that are prone to flooding and to dumping runoff into a strained sewer system.

What is an old, alley-laden city to do?

Chicago has decided to retrofit its alleys with environmentally sustainable road-building materials under its Green Alley initiative, something experts say is among the most ambitious public street makeover plans in the country. In a larger sense, the city is rethinking the way it paves things.

In a green alley, water is allowed to penetrate the soil through the pavement itself, which consists of the relatively new but little-used technology of permeable concrete or porous asphalt. Then the water, filtered through stone beds under the permeable surface layer, recharges the underground water table instead of ending up as polluted runoff in rivers and streams.

Some of that water may even end up back in Lake Michigan, from which Chicago takes a billion gallons a year.

“The question is, if you’ve got to resurface an alley anyway, can you make it do more for you?” said Janet Attarian, the project’s director.

The new pavements are also designed to reflect heat from the sun instead of absorbing it, helping the city stay cool on hot days. They also stay warmer on cold days. The green alleys are given new kinds of lighting that conserve energy and reduce glare, city officials said, and are made with recycled materials.

The city will have completed 46 green alleys by the end of the year, and it has deemed the models so attractive that now every alley it refurbishes will be a green alley.

“It is now business as usual,” Ms. Attarian said.

But all these improvements come with a cost, and some people around Chicago have begun to wonder if a city that hardly recycles its trash and has a hard time keeping its trains and buses running should be spending money on fancy alleys.

Judy King, putting all her household refuse into one bag on Tuesday and tossing it into a bin in a green alley, said: “How do you decide where your priorities are? It’s a hard one. I’m bothered that there isn’t more recycling.”

The city has lately begun having serious talks about a comprehensive recycling program to replace the uneven guidelines now in place. But beyond recycling, it has a vast array of “green initiatives” that put it at the forefront of environmentally conscious cities.

This month, the city has begun two programs with financing from the Clinton Foundation intended to help owners of homes and businesses to modernize old, leaky buildings to reduce energy consumption.

The city also has an expedited permitting process for builders who use green techniques. Its garbage trucks and street sweepers have emission-control devices. In recent years, it has installed rooftop gardens to collect rainwater, planted a half-million new trees and created more than 200 acres of parks and open spaces intended to clean the air and add bits of beauty.

As for the alleys, the city says the cost of construction is offset by what it would have paid for maintenance and sewer improvements for the old ones.

The new alleys will require maintenance, too, so their pores do not get clogged, but, Ms. Attarian said, “I think they’re pretty price competitive.”

The city pays about $45 a cubic yard for permeable concrete, about $100 less than it did a year ago when concrete plants were just revving up production of the new material, but beyond that is the added expense of the stone filtration layer beneath the concrete. Ms. Attarian said ordinary concrete costs $50 or more a cubic yard. The products look pretty much the same.

With its history of heavy industry and bare-knuckled reputation, Chicago may not seem like the most likely city to exhibit environmental friendliness.

But Mayor Richard M. Daley has said that he wants to make Chicago a green model for the country. A few years ago, he was derided as a tree-hugger; now, other mayors are copying him. “Global warming is not a question,” Mr. Daley said in a recent press release. “How we deal with it is.”

Martin C. Pedersen, the executive editor of Metropolis, a magazine about urban living, said, “Recycling programs are all well and good, but the things that really move public policy and the industry are things like taxes and the building code.”

Mr. Pedersen said Mr. Daley had “made adjustments to both to encourage green building, and that’s a big deal.”

In the past several years, Chicago has also has built 90 miles of landscaped medians and refurbished more than 100 miles of streetscapes.

Michael David Martin, an associate professor and associate chairman of the Department of Landscape Architecture at Iowa State University, specializes in the study of alleys and neighborhoods. Mr. Martin praised what he called “more thoughtful alley design.”

“The alley is not only functional,” he said, “but an educational green landscape that is helping a city experiment with design and different ways to handle water.”




Permeable surfaces to reduce runoff are a feature of the refurbished alleys.
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