2011, Q1-3 Population Growth Rates (est)

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Cowtown_Tim

For now

True. I wouldn't be surprised to see the population of Alberta pass that of Montreal by the 2016 Census. Alberta's GDP is already bigger than BC's and might pass that of Quebec by then too. Alberta punches way above its weight. As far as I'm concerned, the bigger and richer Alberta gets, the better off Canada will be.

Hopefully, Alberta can get to 7 million within 25 years.

[roccerfeller]

Originally Posted by isaidso

True. I wouldn't be surprised to see the population of Alberta pass that of Montreal by the 2016 Census. Alberta's GDP is already bigger than BC's and might pass that of Quebec by then too. Alberta punches way above its weight. As far as I'm concerned, the bigger and richer Alberta gets, the better off Canada will be.

Hopefully, Alberta can get to 7 million within 25 years.

A lot can happen in 25 years.

I see Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and even Atlantic Canada, getting due recognition during that timespan.

Though I do hope the entire country grows, not just certain provinces while others lag behind.

[new age]

Originally Posted by sync

my friends from vancouver reminded me several times over the holidays (they were visiting alberta) that calgary is the, and i quote, "whitest city in canada".

i don't even know what to say to them when i hear that stuff.

Thats funny when I first went to Vancouver from Ontario I always said, "It was nice in Vancouver, never snowed, to bad it is white all the time." How times have changed, and it is happening in Alberta too.

The foreign-born population, and it's visible minorities of Calgary are not the same thing. You can be black, and not an immigrant, or you can be an immigrant without being a visible minority.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by jigglysquishy

What you seem to forget is that North America and Europe account for 10% of the world's population yet take in 95% of the world's immigration.

Calgary would be within the top 5% for global diversity.

what complete balderdash.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by roccerfeller

A lot can happen in 25 years.

I see Saskatchewan and Manitoba, and even Atlantic Canada, getting due recognition during that timespan.

Though I do hope the entire country grows, not just certain provinces while others lag behind.

I see good things ahead for Saskatchewan and Manitoba also. Maybe they can both get to 2 million over the same time span. I'm not that optimistic about Atlantic Canada, although that monster $25 billion ship contract should help Nova Scotia a great deal. It's a wonderful part of the country, but gets bypassed due to few opportunities and little in the way of big city delights. Halifax really needs to get to about Winnipeg's size to reach that critical mass.

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by sync

my friends from vancouver reminded me several times over the holidays (they were visiting alberta) that calgary is the, and i quote, "whitest city in canada".

i don't even know what to say to them when i hear that stuff.

Tell them you're looking into finding more educated friends.

[Vertigo3000]

I thought Toronto and Miami had the largest foreign born populations? Calgary, really? I love the city so don't tell me I'm bashing the city, but that city is white as f**k compared to Toronto! Anyone who lives in or near Toronto or have even been there would know that Toronto is full of immigrants whether visible minorities or Europeans

[freeweed]

Originally Posted by Vertigo3000

I thought Toronto and Miami had the largest foreign born populations? Calgary, really? I love the city so don't tell me I'm bashing the city, but that city is white as f**k compared to Toronto! Anyone who lives in or near Toronto or have even been there would know that Toronto is full of immigrants whether visible minorities or Europeans

Over a quarter of Calgary is decidedly non-white. I suppose if you grew up in Calcutta that might appear to be "white as fuck" but for North America it's pretty damned diverse. 2006 Statscan details.

I also think it's time to take issue with the whole "white as fuck" comment in general. It's more than a bit offensive, to be honest. If I described Miami as "Hispanic as fuck" or Detroit as "black as fuck", people would be offended, and rightly so.

Also, I don't see a single person here claiming Calgary has a larger foreign-born population than Toronto, although maybe I didn't read close enough.

[Vertigo3000]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Over a quarter of Calgary is decidedly non-white. I suppose if you grew up in Calcutta that might appear to be "white as fuck" but for North America it's pretty damned diverse. 2006 Statscan details.

I also think it's time to take issue with the whole "white as fuck" comment in general. It's more than a bit offensive, to be honest. If I described Miami as "Hispanic as fuck" or Detroit as "black as fuck", people would be offended, and rightly so.

Also, I don't see a single person here claiming Calgary has a larger foreign-born population than Toronto, although maybe I didn't read close enough.

If we are offended by being profiled, why are we talking about racial diversity? If you're offended by someone on the internet it's time to grow up and act like a man. anyways, I am far from racist buddy so don't be offended

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by freeweed

Tell them you're looking into finding more educated friends.

I don't think it's that they're uneducated, it's just that to them Calgary probably does seem quite monocultural.

It's all relative.

[Blader]

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

I don't think it's that they're uneducated, it's just that to them Calgary probably does seem quite monocultural.

It's all relative.

But then there is perspective - by 2017 statscanada predicts 'visible minorities' to be in the majority in metro Toronto and Vancouver. ie: one out of two - in Calgary they predict it to be one out of three. Is this monoculture? To me monoculture is rural Canada. The top 5 urban areas are very diverse.

[Surrealplaces]

Originally Posted by Vertigo3000

I thought Toronto and Miami had the largest foreign born populations? Calgary, really? I love the city so don't tell me I'm bashing the city, but that city is white as f**k compared to Toronto! Anyone who lives in or near Toronto or have even been there would know that Toronto is full of immigrants whether visible minorities or Europeans

I don't think anyone is saying Calgary is less White than Toronto. Everyone knows that Toronto and Vancouver are in a whole different level when it comes to ethnic diversity. Calgary has a diverse population com pared to most other NA cities though.

[240glt]

I find Edmonton more culturally diverse, but both cities pale in comparison to Vancouver

[Waterlooson]

Originally Posted by 240glt

I find Edmonton more culturally diverse, but both cities pale in comparison to Vancouver

But if you were to exclude only two groups - the Chinese and the east Indians - Vancouver wouldn't be very "diverse".

[240glt]

^ true enough.... I'd ammend my post to say that Vancouver is extremely ethnic, however Edmonton feels more diverse

[jmt18325]

Winnipeg and Edmonton have very similar demographic numbers in terms of the ratio of whites to non whites, with just over 71% being white in Edmonton, and just over 73% in Winnipeg.

[Bassic Lab]

Originally Posted by Surrealplaces

Statscan site has a reasonable explanation of the formula they use and I believe Wikipedia does also.

In a nutshell, Foothills MD doesn't have as much commuter traffic into Calgary as many would think. A surprising number of people in Okotoks work within the MD itself (statscan doesn't say where they work, but likely High River)
If you go through the community profiles you can actually do the math as they have number for the amount of people that commute to other CMAs etc..
Foothills is pretty close to being added to Calgary. I don't think it made it in the 2011 census, but it's close.

You're right in pointing out High River as a major reason why Foothills is still excluded. The town really doesn't function as a suburb of Calgary; it has its own employment centres and functions more like a rural town servicing the local area. Another issue is the lack of sprawl within the MD itself. Compared to Rockyveiw County, it just doesn't have as much exurban development like Springbank, Bearspaw, and such. This is beginning to change with developments like Heritage Pointe and subdivision into acreages around Dewinton.

Really, northern Foothills is part of metro Calgary but southern Foothills is not. Statscan requires an all or nothing approach to inclusion so unless the MD is split it could still be a little while until it is added to the CMA. The 2011 numbers should give us a good idea of how far along the process is. For the time being it is kind of stupid to have Heritage Pointe excluded but once the whole MD is included it will be kind of stupid to have farms just north of Nanton as part of the CMA.

[jigglysquishy]

Call my views of immigration weird if you want.

Immigration outside of the New World is a very dangerous and threatening idea. England will not culturally or economically survive unless the country is filled with white Anglo-Saxons. Japan will not survive culturally or economically unless the country is filled with the ethnic Japanese. I won't go through the 190+ nations that need to remain monoethnic or have the different ethnicities separated inside the country.

America, Canada, New Zealand and Australia (among a few others) can endure immigration. They are based on immigration. The very identity of the country is immigration.

There's no reason why we need to lose the culture, heritage and identity of dozens of nations when Canada, the US, Australia and New Zealand can absorb the immigration.

[MolsonExport]

^weird is not the word I would use. The vast majority of countries worldwide are multiethnic. It happens to be my research area.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by Blader

But then there is perspective - by 2017 statscanada predicts 'visible minorities' to be in the majority in metro Toronto and Vancouver. ie: one out of two - in Calgary they predict it to be one out of three. Is this monoculture? To me monoculture is rural Canada. The top 5 urban areas are very diverse.

You're getting me all wrong, I'm not saying Calgary is monocultural, I'm just saying that to someone used to 50% visable minorities, going to 25% is a significant drop and could seem very white.

Originally Posted by Waterlooson

But if you were to exclude only two groups - the Chinese and the east Indians - Vancouver wouldn't be very "diverse".

I think that could apply to the entire globe. Ethnic Chinese and Indians comprise about half the worlds population.